Mega Rad Gun Thread

[The Dude]

So lately I've had a pretty heavy jonesing for B&T TP9, fully kitted out with the matching can and SBR'd. I'm typically not a PCC/PDW fan, but there's something about the Steyr TMP/SPP/B&T MP9/TP9 that really gives me the fizz.

Probably never. My guess is maybe the armorer cleans them when they turn them in at the end of their career. I've met a lot of cops in my life, and precisely two were actually shooters, one of whom only really got into guns after he retired.

My old man was former law enforcement, and he cleaned his service weapon religiously. Of course, he grew up a shooter and served in the USN during the Vietnam War (he was a River Rat on a PBR Mk II and saw combat) so he understood the importance of proper weapons maintenance. Its from him that I learned to be fairly anal about keeping my weapons clean and lubed.

The real scary thing about law enforcement being so-called "experts" on weapons is that most police and federal agents have never handled or fired a firearm before they get to the academy, and most law enforcement departments and federal agencies only require their officers/agents to qualify with their sidearm twice a year every six months. There is no requirement for them to practice on their own between qualification shoots, though they typically are given practice ammo so they have the option to practice in their free time. When my old man was the assistant director of a halfway house before he retired I would often get invited to go along when they had their qualification shoots, and there were several COs who were far worse shots than I was. But then, I've been a shooter since I was five years old. One of the COs under my pop pretty much never passed qualification, so he was only ever allowed to be armed if he was in the field, which was never. He was always stuck back at the halfway house at the reception desk.

I can only assume she's talking about the Clinton ban, which did fuckall to stop Columbine. Also the grandfather clause in that meant that any rifle you owned before it was passed is legal to own so it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I'm more scared of them finally figuring out how to ban all semi auto rifles.

We should ALWAYS remain vigilant when it comes to our rights, especially 2A, but with the several pro-freedom rulings from SCotUS I don't think they'll ever be able to get any kind of semi-auto "assault weapon" ban passed. Semi-autos have long been in common usage, which SCotUS has made clear makes a firearm protected under 2A, and weapons like the AR15 and other military style semi-autos are the most popular type of firearm on the market and have been for many years, with several million in circulation now. Not to mention that popular opinion on 2A rights have shifted dramatically, with more and more people not only supporting 2A rights, but becoming gun owners themselves regardless of their other political views. And we keep scoring wins in SCotUS which only serve to drive the stake further into the heart of gun control.

Remain vigilant, but don't worry.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

So lately I've had a pretty heavy jonesing for B&T TP9,

Did they keep the rotating barrel design? Wasn't the Steyt MP9 a rotating barrel? I've never understood how they got a rotating barrel to work with a suppressor. They use some kind of high temperature O ring or something?

My old man was former law enforcement, and he cleaned his service weapon religiously. Of course, he grew up a shooter and served in the USN during the Vietnam War (he was a River Rat on a PBR Mk II and saw combat) so he understood the importance of proper weapons maintenance. Its from him that I learned to be fairly anal about keeping my weapons clean and lubed.

Was he issued an M16? If so, what did he have to say about the reliability? I only knew one guy who seemed like he actually was in the shit, made Lieutenant. He was a friend of my fathers nicest guy in the world, when he drank he would talk about his time in Vietnam how much he hated the M16. He stole the first VC issue AK off the first dead VC he came across.

I agree about people thinking cops or service members immediately qualifies them as experts. Some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard came from a detective in the firearms task force in a large metropolitan US city. He saw some Red plastic tipped .223 Varmint varmint loads immediately stated out-loud they were "armor piercing cop killing bullets". I laughed in his face, told him he could buy that shit at Walmart for $20. He did not find that as funny as I did.

 

[DocAwe]

fifteen thousand dollar 1911s are fucking gay

 

[DocAwe]

I can only assume she's talking about the Clinton ban, which did fuckall to stop Columbine. Also the grandfather clause in that meant that any rifle you owned before it was passed is legal to own so it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I'm more scared of them finally figuring out how to ban all semi auto rifles.

It would be a rough ride for sure.
But in all reality there isn't enough of them.
If gun owning Americans collectively said "No" there is not much they could do except try force and that would end poorly given that we outnumber them.
That alone is why they want to take them so badly.
The biggest reason to disarm someone is because you want to do terrible things to them.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

So lately I've had a pretty heavy jonesing for B&T TP9, fully kitted out with the matching can and SBR'd. I'm typically not a PCC/PDW fan, but there's something about the Steyr TMP/SPP/B&T MP9/TP9 that really gives me the fizz.

PDWs are pretty scarce when it comes to the objectively aesthetically superior mag-in-grip, with serious contenders on the modern market it's either the ~$2,000 B&T or ~$500 MPA MAC clone. It seems most PDWs in general are just downsized ARs having shorter barrels than pistols and carrying a G17L or G40 with a dot makes more sense.

 

[EggImpregnator]

Dude at first I was just glad the cop you’re watching through didn’t get hit and managed to clear his jam eventually. But when I realized there was a second cop who got nailed, probably more than once, and collapses on the floor while his idiot partner is flailing his gun and mags and then not immediately executing the guy who may have shot him, I took that downed cop’s side. I was really hoping he would get his pistol up and put some in the shooter’s head, immediate threat or not. “Throw the gun away” my ass I’m lying here dying because of him bro!!!

Never buy a sig handgun. Especially a 320

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Never buy a sig handgun. Especially a 320

Now I want to buy one out of spite, if not for the complete waste of potential the serialized FCG aspect was.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

PDWs are pretty scarce when it comes to the objectively aesthetically superior mag-in-grip, with serious contenders on the modern market it's either the ~$2,000 B&T or ~$500 MPA MAC clone. It seems most PDWs in general are just downsized ARs having shorter barrels than pistols and carrying a G17L or G40 with a dot makes more sense.

Mag in grip is also nice for having a shorter overall length. Too bad the options in this format are lacking.

 

[Ravier Xavenblood]

It would be a rough ride for sure.
But in all reality there isn't enough of them.
If gun owning Americans collectively said "No" there is not much they could do except try force and that would end poorly given that we outnumber them.
That alone is why they want to take them so badly.
The biggest reason to disarm someone is because you want to do terrible things to them.

Doesn't help that the Dems always vote in lockstep when it comes to gun restrictions. They already proposed a bill last year that would ban gas operated rifles.

An article about the deceptively named GOSAFE Act
And it was introduced my the more "moderate" dems like Mark Kelly. They're getting bolder in the individual states too. Washington banned the sale of most semi auto rifles to the point where only a couple pistol caliber carbines didn't make the ban list.

 

[EggImpregnator]

Now I want to buy one out of spite, if not for the complete waste of potential the serialized FCG aspect was.

It's POOP

 

[Club Sandwich]

if not for the complete waste of potential the serialized FCG aspect was

years back i had a small horde of P250s i was selling for beans. i still have one (fairly low serial number) and they're floating around, but a lot of the issues that the P320 has/had didn't really exist in the P250. it's a "square revolver" in that aspect, a bit heavy and long trigger but no external safety and DAO. downsides are the rear sight plate is unique and the gen 1's grip module isn't particularly "modern" and can be a weird feel in the hand for some people. mechanically it's an excellent Glock 19-sized DAO hammer fired pistol with good magazine and parts compatibility.

 

[DocAwe]

SP2022 Master Race

 

[Taser Confetti]

Did they keep the rotating barrel design? Wasn't the Steyt MP9 a rotating barrel? I've never understood how they got a rotating barrel to work with a suppressor. They use some kind of high temperature O ring or something?



Was he issued an M16? If so, what did he have to say about the reliability? I only knew one guy who seemed like he actually was in the shit, made Lieutenant. He was a friend of my fathers nicest guy in the world, when he drank he would talk about his time in Vietnam how much he hated the M16. He stole the first VC issue AK off the first dead VC he came across.

The TP9 requires it's own proprietary suppressor (https://www.bauer-precision.com/b-t-tp9-rbs-qd-suppressor-9mm/) I'm sure that's a turn off for a lot of people but in my opinion the civilian niche for PDW's/Machine Pistols like that is the ability to carry that in a normie looking backpack/messenger bag without arousing unwanted attention. Putting a can on it defeats the purpose in my mind.

I'm sure it's been posted somewhere else in this forum but SmallArmsSolutions made a great video about the subject of the M16 in Vietnam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYar4Zf8jH8

 

[WhoBusTank69]

P250

I very nearly bought one years ago, but I didn't care for the height of Sig's slides since height-over-bore was the current topic of the time. Good trigger, great grip(as is with the 320).

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Never buy a sig handgun. Especially a 320

The only Sig I own isn't made by Sig.

 

[Dean Pentel]

FA was found to be extremely use for clearing rooms, trenches, suppressing fire and for shooting people running across distances.

3 round / 2 round burst was found to be almost useless.

FA has its uses and should be kept on any modern assault rifle. It's also a morale booster.

FA definitely works well in a suppression or channeling movement role. I only did a modicum of clearing structures so I won't pretend I know its efficacy there well enough to comment authoritatively. All that said, I think for carbines FA is not helpful.

MIdway USA has a lot of IMI ammo on sale if you want cheap ammo and don't care about funding Israel with your purchase.

In my experience, IMI makes good stuff, especially in .308. I bet their 5.56 stuff is equally solid. If you find it at a good price I say you can buy with confidence.

Never buy a sig handgun. Especially a 320

It's only a sample size of 1, but I have one that I've carried in 5 different cities (it's my selection for travel because I am not attached to it all that much), carried a good bit at home, and shot 1300 rounds through in the last 9 months. With an Apex Tactical fire control parts upgrade and the Wilson Combat grip module, I think it's a good weapon. I would also understand why some would avoid it.

SP2022 Master Race

My first pistol ever. I wish I'd kept it. Well, it was the SP 2009, but same thing, right?

 

[DocAwe]

FA definitely works well in a suppression or channeling movement role. I only did a modicum of clearing structures so I won't pretend I know its efficacy there well enough to comment authoritatively. All that said, I think for carbines FA is not helpful.

In my experience, IMI makes good stuff, especially in .308. I bet their 5.56 stuff is equally solid. If you find it at a good price I say you can buy with confidence.

It's only a sample size of 1, but I have one that I've carried in 5 different cities (it's my selection for travel because I am not attached to it all that much), carried a good bit at home, and shot 1300 rounds through in the last 9 months. With an Apex Tactical fire control parts upgrade and the Wilson Combat grip module, I think it's a good weapon. I would also understand why some would avoid it.

My first pistol ever. I wish I'd kept it. Well, it was the SP 2009, but same thing, right?

Iirc it started as the SigPro then an intermediary and finally the 2022.
So yeah, very similar at the least.

 

[The Dude]

Did they keep the rotating barrel design? Wasn't the Steyt MP9 a rotating barrel? I've never understood how they got a rotating barrel to work with a suppressor. They use some kind of high temperature O ring or something?



Was he issued an M16? If so, what did he have to say about the reliability? I only knew one guy who seemed like he actually was in the shit, made Lieutenant. He was a friend of my fathers nicest guy in the world, when he drank he would talk about his time in Vietnam how much he hated the M16. He stole the first VC issue AK off the first dead VC he came across.

I agree about people thinking cops or service members immediately qualifies them as experts. Some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard came from a detective in the firearms task force in a large metropolitan US city. He saw some Red plastic tipped .223 Varmint varmint loads immediately stated out-loud they were "armor piercing cop killing bullets". I laughed in his face, told him he could buy that shit at Walmart for $20. He did not find that as funny as I did.

Yes, the TMP/TP9 has a rotating barrel. It uses a proprietary mounting system for the suppressor that I believe mounts to a collar that sits around the barrel so the barrel can move while the suppressor stays stationary, but I'm not 100% sure since I haven't had any hands-on experience with one.

When my dad went through boot camp he qualified with the M14. He also had to go through Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape school (S.E.R.E.) before going to Vietnam (at the time all Navy personnel had to if they were going to be stationed in a combat zone and could potentially be taken as a POW, so River Rats, Sea Bees, aviators, and SEALs) which included a weapons familiarization course where they were trained to use our weapons, our allies weapons (ARVN were given our surplus WWII weapons), and our enemies weapons.

My dad loved the M14 and the M1918A2 BAR. When he cycled to the war he was issued an XM16E3, the Navy's version of the early M16. He didn't have any issues with his, but he wasn't confident in it. He was the engineer/mechanic on the PBR he was posted on. His skipper had traded an ARVN NonCom his M16, magazines, a couple cases of ammo, and a couple cases of beer for a Thompson M1 because the skipper's father carried one in WWII and swore by it. He would prop the Thompson up on the windscreen of the wheelhouse with one hand and fire it while steering the boat with his other.

That gave my dad the idea to try to trade for an M14 or BAR if he could. He ran into a couple of Marines who still had M14s, but they told my dad they weren't going to get rid of their rifles until the Commandant ordered them to make the switch. A while later dad ran into an ARVN private who had a BAR, and of course they gave the 20lb machine rifle to a guy who was 5'4" and 105lbs soaking we. Dad was able to work out a trade with the private and they agreed to make the trade the next day. When dad went to make the trade the next morning he couldn't find the private. Dad runs into some friends of the private, come to find out that shortly after he got back from talking with my dad he and his unit were suddenly deployed that same night and dad never ran into the kid again.

But dad never really had issues with his M16. As I said, he was religious about keeping his weapons clean, and his whole boat crew kept their weapons in good condition. The personal weapons were basically backups for the weapons on the boat. The PBR Mk II had twin Browning M2s mounted on the bow in a tub style turret. Behind the wheelhouse were three pintle mounts that could accept a single M2, a single M60, or one of the various belt-fed 40mm grenade launchers like the Mk19 depending on the needs. PBR crews were also known to bubba-rig non-standard weapons like recoilless anti-tank weapons or even small artillery pieces.

Dad's boat crew never went that route and did fine with M2s in front and M60s in back, which they kept meticulously maintained, so they rarely had to fall back to personal weapons while on the boat and would only use them when having to board a sampan and check it for weapons being shipped down river to VCs. We'll, except for their skipper, who loved that fucking Thompson and would find any excuse to fire it. He got really good at firing propped up on the windscreen with one hand and steering the boat with his off-hand. And those fat, heavy .45 ACP slugs cut through the foliage on the river banks pretty well.

But even years later when I got my first AR (a Bushmaster) he always said I should have gotten something in .308. Now that I've had a lot more experience with defensive rifles, my main go-to rifle is an LMT MWS308 and my compact "urban" rifle is a Steyr AUG A3. I'm not the biggest fan of 5.56x45mm and the AUG is really the only one I like a lot. I've got nothing against the AR platform, since my main defensive rifle is an AR...it's just one chambered for 7.62x51mm/.308 instead of 5.56x45mm/.223 Rem. Just my personal preference.

 

[miniature chungus]

I seriously don't know what the fuck the Glock limp-wristing thing came from

Im no glocknade scientist but my guess is the smaller calibers on bigger plarforms takes energy away/tranfers it from the splorbus parts doing their jobs when you let the gun flop around and puts more energy back into your arm or hand and less into the gun or something

I had a failure to eject on a gen5 glock19 using aluminum case while fruity firing after like 5 rounds, and me thinks its probably harder to do on a bepis cannon with it being small and firing a notoriously snappy round while also having less distance to move parts and less weight in those parts unless you got tempur-pedic hands. Now was it aluminum ammo I got out of the box in a ziplock bag written in sharpie for a 65+% discounted rate at my local gun store, aluminum case in general, OR my tempur-pedic hands I will never know...

 

[Troon_Patrol]

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I love this picture so much. You almost made me spit coffee all over my keyboard. 1911's are... um... "collectable" 7+1, 100 year old design in 2024? yeah, you're either using grandads gun or you've made the wrong choice.

1911's are gay but a 6" long-slide 2011 double stack in 10MM, with a match grade hand fitted .40 barrel/spring swap set....?



Your thoughts?

SP2022 Master Race

I try to keep politics out of this thread but the idea a German manufacturing company made something named the "Master Race" makes me laugh.