Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

Will Robyn actually go back to see the neurosurgeon in California?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 12.2%
  • No

    Votes: 107 50.2%
  • Luna will die before the planned trip date

    Votes: 80 37.6%

  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
I know I said I was taking a break but I can't stop thinking about those quack MLM supplements. Screenshot 2024-07-29 205115.png Screenshot 2024-07-29 205000.png
On the front of the Limitless label I read it that one capsule is supposed to contain 8.2 grams of betalains. But on the back of the label it claims to have 142 mg of betalains and an unknown amount of acemannan from aloe vera in one capsule. So which is it? I'm confused. Are they saying there are 8.2 grams of betalains in the whole bottle? 142 mg is 0.142 grams.
Betalains from what I've read are just red and yellow pigments found in plants and unless one is prone to kidney stones should be relatively safe for most people. (Of course Luna is far from being most people.)

Medical people: How much do you think Luna currently weighs? I'm struck in the most recent video where Oakley is using her as a teething toy that at three and a half months old, he is almost as big as her.
 
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On the front of the Limitless label I read it that one capsule is supposed to contain 8.2 grams of betalains. But on the back of the label it claims to have 142 mg of betalains and an unknown amount of acemannan from aloe vera in one capsule. So which is it? I'm confused. Are they saying there are 8.2 grams of betalains in the whole bottle? 142 mg is 0.142 grams.
Betalains from what I've read are just red and yellow pigments found in plants and unless one is prone to kidney stones should be relatively safe for most people. (Of course Luna is far from being most people.)

Medical people: How much do you think Luna currently weighs? I'm struck in the most recent video where Oakley is using her as a teething toy that at three and a half months old, he is almost as big as her.
Maybe 25-30 pounds, and that is only because I can’t guestimate what the weight of her head adds to her total body weight.
 
I hope a kind (but honest) doctor gently(but firmly) tells Robyn not to drag her children to California just to watch her potato die.
Yes. But she won’t listen. Then what happens if Luna dies in California? Or 3/4 of the way there? Are they going to drive back with a toddler, a baby, and dead Luna? I’m sure they legally can’t so might have to pay for transport, or cremate her there?

It’s not a fun thought but is something that should be mentioned.

As far as Luna suffering, there have been medical experts sharing that she doesn’t have enough brain to experience suffering in any meaningful way. Her body might hurt but there is nothing in her skull to register it.

Aloe can upset digestion. I don’t think the beet powder will do anything except make her poop look red. (Which is maybe something Robyn is concerned about?). The aloe though, could be causing loose stool, although I’m not sure of the capsule form and if it’s enough, or what concoction Robyn is actually brewing.
 
I wonder if the 'discomfort' is a physical symptom like bloody stool or a discolored patch on the back of her head indicating bleeding, or something. Or fluid coming from her ears. Something you cant really blame on weird movements (seizures) and reflexes. Or maybe she is making strange noises while breathing[…]
There’s really no way to tell because Robyn will always obfuscate the truth, but my personal tinfoil is a skin ulcer (bed sore) that won’t heal. Luna is certainly at risk for them, and I don’t see Robyn ever admitting to such a hospice-y condition.
Robyn’s fixation on a cure for Luna’s eczema might be her trying to fix Luna’s “lack of nutrition” which is SURELY causing the ulcer, not the dying process. Her bizarre insistence that Luna has been bed bound only lately and emphasis on moving Luna around (we HAVE to get her to the lake!!!) is another clue. Googling “bed sore causes” might result in someone with Robyn’s disordered thinking concluding that nutrition and movement are what’s needed to address the problem, rather than quality hospice care.

A Kennedy terminal ulcer, which herald imminent death, could explain Robyn’s sudden frenzy to get Luna to the Golden Physician, but I’m not sure she looks errr…poorly enough for that yet? Hard to tell with the filters though. I also wonder if maybe her care team suspects an infection in her shunt or shunt failure. The next few weeks should be interesting.
 
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Unpopular opinion, but nobody can possibly know if Luna suffers or not. I think a lot of the posts on this thread insisting she is not a person and can't feel pain are copes because the alternative is unbearable.
I do feel bad for Luna, I am not heartless. If that were my child, I would have put her in hospice a long time ago and personally, it would upset me but what is the point in keeping her alive? Her condition is terminal regardless, and I do not wish for humans to suffer from such things, which is why I fully believe in euthanasia. She’s not a meat puppet me, but she just sort of exists, if that makes sense. She can’t interact with the world properly, nor develop or grow. That’s not really a life, imho. She’s much like someone in a vegetative state.

As for MCE, you can see what parts of the brain are affected when you look at radiographs. The white and grey matter get replaced by cysts, but that’s not the whole picture. There is the brain stem and such which work minus the corticospinal tract, which does degenerate. And since the brain stem is unaffected, we can surmise that opioid receptors are unaffected as well. There are also case reports/autopsies/other case radiographs to go by

The only thing I’ve disagreed with so far is Luna is totally blind. I don’t believe that to be the case at all. But she does have cortico visual impairment and since she can’t interact with the world, it really doesn’t matter. She can’t do anything with the info.

The brain itself has no pain receptors. That’s why neurosurgery can be done on an awake patient.

As for how we feel pain: messengers transmit a pain signal from the pain receptor to the spinal cord, and then to the thalamus, a region of the brain. The thalamus then transmits the pain signal to other areas of the brain to be processed.

While Luna’s spinal cord is functional, the thalamus is grey matter affected by MCE. So if the thalamus is not working properly, perception of pain is affected.

Multicystic encephalomalacia is a sequelae to global hypoxic ischemic injury which is characterized by cortical atrophy, thalamic atrophy, and cystic necrosis of cerebral white matter.

So if the thalamus is wasting away, pain sensation is going to be reduced or absent.

ETA: she’s five now. She should be walking, talking, growing, learning, making friends etc. She should be entering kindergarten. But she can do none of these things and never will. Sitting around with no awareness to anything just isn’t really a life to me. When we talk about pets, vets ask about quality of life. When your pet is so sick they cant enjoy their life, eat or drink on their own, and can’t interact with their surroundings, the vet says it’s time to let go. It’s acceptable to end life for an animal but when it comes to humans, people get up in arms about euthanasia.

And one last point: the cysts aren’t sitting on top of grey matter, the cysts destroy it. That is what makes it so horrible
 
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I'm not sure why they're trying to go to California again, it's skeevy if that's what they are going to use the GoFundMe money for. The last time they were in CA, they were told there was nothing to be done and then Luna started to lose weight.
I'm not sure what the difference is in this trip other than they going to have a possible dead, definitely dying child; All because Robin decided to speed run Luna's death and can't accept it.
 
I'm not sure why they're trying to go to California again, it's skeevy if that's what they are going to use the GoFundMe money for. The last time they were in CA, they were told there was nothing to be done and then Luna started to lose weight.
I'm not sure what the difference is in this trip other than they going to have a possible dead, definitely dying child; All because Robin decided to speed run Luna's death and can't accept it.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m not sure Blobyn ever shared what they were told on that trip.
I think she wants to go because that doctor is the only one willing to put up with her bullshit. She knows everyone else will turn her down. But given Lunas terminal condition, even dr Muhonen and his dancing assistant know when to say when. She wants it to be 2020 all over again but it won’t happen.
 
Aloe can upset digestion. I don’t think the beet powder will do anything except make her poop look red. (Which is maybe something Robyn is concerned about?). The aloe though, could be causing loose stool, although I’m not sure of the capsule form and if it’s enough, or what concoction Robyn is actually brewing
The supplement industry has fought tool and nail to make sure they don't have to conform to label standards like food. The industry bribed the shit out of senators to make sure it would not happen. The upshot is we have no clue what is actually in them.

I'm willing to bet that MLM supplements are even skeevier than what you'd get at a big box store.
 
Bit unrelated but I genuinely wonder what even happened to the Healy? Aren't MLMs notoriously hard to leave? Or is she not supposed to show it while breastfeeding either?
MLM's aren't hard to leave at all in the sense that if you want to leave, you simply stop responding to them and stop all activity. No need to turn in papers saying you're quitting or anything. 99% of people, according to the companies' own income disclosure statements, are making no money. Most of them are actually paying money to be part of their company, bc they have a certain amnt of product they're required to buy each month, or a monthly fee to remain eligible to receive compensation! The 'employee' of an MLM is really the customer, essentially.

The only barrier to leaving is that they're cult-like in their indoctrination of their 'employees,' and also the sunk cost fallacy sometimes keeps people in, hoping the tides will turn soon.

The Healy being so expensive to join, by buying a Healy for 1K and up, probably makes it an even harder sell than other MLM's.
 
Is there enough left of her for pain medication to work? @Thomas Eugene Paris we need your expertise
It's difficult to say without seeing an MRI (I'm waiting, Robyn!), so I guess it wouldn't hurt to try.

We’ve talked about it before. Opioids should work because those receptors are located in the brain stem, which is unaffected by MCE. Of course, I’m open to other people’s thoughts and comments as well.

I do believe this is the beginning of the end which I did say further back as well. The weight loss, supposed increase in distress and needing more sedation. None of those are good signs
Regarding your first point, I'm not entirely convinced. The distribution of the mu receptor, specifically, makes me think that Luna would not derive much benefit from opioid analgesia. I don't think she would be harmed by trying, though. Again, hard to say without an MRI.

The Hospice team have likely started her on some benzos for seizure control (the 'sedatives' Robyn mentioned).
I'm sure I've mentioned before that I don't think Luna has enough cortex left for anticonvulsants to work. It's probably worth trying, but I don't think her seizures are controllable at this point, and each one that she has is doing further damage to tissue she can't spare.

I sincerely doubt the Neurosurgeon in CA will do any further surgery on her.
I would be shocked, and even if Robyn somehow convinced him to intervene, there's nothing that can be done to help. Damaged brain tissue can't be fixed.

I’m really concerned what Blob will do once Buna really fully dies, and her meal-ticket attention puppet is gone.
This is so stupid I'm halfway convinced that we've found Luna's burner account.
 
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