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good morning fellow kiwis.

trump is up two today on RCP.

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at this point i cant tell if RFK is hurting him or not, i think RFK should stay in regardless bc im sick of only having dems and pubs on ballet. but there may be some weight to what people are saying about RFK hurting trump. i didnt believe it at first, one look at RFKs website and his running mate, he comes off like a slightly less batshit insane democrat.
 
‘Weird’ is the most effective insult Democrats have tried. Here’s why.
The Washington Post (archive.ph)
By Monica Hesse
2024-07-30 22:00:06GMT
In the summer of 1946, “The Adventures of Superman,” a popular radio show for kids, began a story arc called “The Clan of the Fiery Cross.” In it, the Man of Steel takes on a shadowy xenophobic organization that, quite intentionally, resembled the Ku Klux Klan. The head of the clan is an evil manipulator, but the rank and file are presented mostly as dopes. In one scene, the Grand Scorpion dismissively refers to his followers as “suckers” and “little nobodies.” It comes out that he’s only after their monthly dues; the racism was the tool, not the goal.

The storyline was suggested by a man named Stetson Kennedy, who had infiltrated the KKK and approached producers with the idea of using pop culture to humiliate the organization. Apparently, it worked. In Kennedy’s memoir, he describes attending a meeting after the Superman episodes began airing, and watching hell break loose: “When I came home from work the other night,” one member complained, “there was my kid and a bunch of others, some with towels tied around their necks like capes and some with pillowcases over their heads. The ones with capes was chasing the ones with pillowcases all over the lot. When I asked them what they were doing, they said they were playing a new kind of cops and robbers called Superman against the Klan.” The man continued: “I never felt so ridiculous in all my life! Suppose my own kid finds my Klan robe some day?”

This story has fascinated me, a former English major, ever since I learned about it in the 2005 book “Freakonomics.” It’s all about the power of word choice, rhetoric and peer pressure. Kennedy’s disgruntled Klan member had presumably joined the group because he wanted to seem powerful and noble to his loved ones, and powerful and terrifying to minority groups. But then he was forced to see his own actions through the lens of Superman, at which point he realized that maybe his fellow citizens didn’t see him as heroic or scary. They just thought that he was kind of … lame.

Which brings me to “weird.”

If you hadn’t noticed, Kamala Harris’s supporters have rolled out a new line of attacks against Donald Trump. Whereas the former president may have previously been heralded as a supervillain and aspiring dictator, Harris’s surrogates are more and more just describing him as a big weirdo.

“He’s just a strange, weird dude,” Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) told an assembled group of 60,000 “White Dudes for Harris” at an online fundraiser Monday evening. Walz is, if not the inventor of this tactic, its most skilled proponent. “These guys are just weird,” he laughed at another recent speaking event, later continuing: “We’re not afraid of weird people. We’re a little bit creeped out, but we’re not afraid.”

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg on MSNBC commented that vice-presidential candidate JD Vance’s remarks about childless women were “a really strange take,” and said Vance’s “weird style” was going to bring about “weird policies.” Later, Buttigieg went on “The Daily Show” and told Jon Stewart that Vance had “turned out to be,” as he described it, “odd.”

Clearly, at least some of this rhetoric has started getting to at least some Trump surrogates:

“This whole ‘they’re weird’ argument from the Democrats is dumb & juvenile,” posted Vivek Ramaswamy on X. “This is a presidential election, not a high school prom queen contest. … Win on policy if you can, but cut the crap please.”

“I wish [I] knew a better way to describe it,” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) replied. “Your party’s obsession with drag shows is creepy. Your candidate’s idea to strip the vote away from people without kids is weird. The right wing book banning crusade is super odd. It’s just so so far outside the mainstream.”

In various television appearances or speeches, Walz has described his word choice as a deliberate way to take the wind out of Republican sails. Yes, Trumpy rhetoric might be bullying and authoritarian, Walz has said, but bullying behavior is often just masking cowardice.

But I think that the exchange between Ramaswamy and Murphy — and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), who chimed in with, “Being obsessed with repressing women is goofy” — more accurately gets at the dynamics at play.

A central pillar of Trump’s campaign is the idea that liberals are perverted misfits who want to tear down American values. Married men and women who have children are normal, but couples without children, or parents without partners, or children with two dads, or women who have two children but also once had an abortion — those people are morally deficient. All of this is old-school puritanism, but Trump brought it all into a pep rally atmosphere. Not only was it morally correct to pass judgment, but it was also festive and fun. They were strong; libs were weak. They were right; libs were wrong. They were with the prom king, who was telling them they were awesome, and the libs were outcasts in the library, probably being read to by a drag queen.

“Weird” intrudes on that narrative. It doesn’t entirely upend it, but it does plant a seed of doubt. What if, instead of being admired or feared, they are instead being laughed at? What if, instead of edgelords, they are actually just the kids in the corner eating glue off their hands?

“They called us weird so I’ll call them weirder,” said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), according to an X post — but “weird” is an insult that doesn’t work both ways. Gay kids, trans kids, cat ladies and horse boys have already spent an entire lifetime being told they were weird, and they have learned to wear it as a badge of honor if they need to. But when your whole political movement is based on a return to some “Pleasantville” vision of American normalcy, “weird” actually hurts. It’s not great to wonder whether, in the eyes of your fellow citizens, you’re just kind of ... lame.

At a broader level, what “weird” does is reject the entire premise of the Republican platform, something that Democrats have seemed to be doing more frequently since Harris took over the ticket. In the White Dudes for Harris online rally, which featured speakers such as Mark Hamill and Josh Groban, one early speaker lamented that, “When White men have organized, it was often with pointy hats on,” and that “masculinity as a trope has been ceded to the MAGA right.”

Other speakers used their time to argue that the most fundamental characteristics of masculinity — strength, the ability to provide and protect — were qualities demonstrated by the left, not the right.

“They have Kid Rock, Kevin Sorbo and a dolphin aficionado,” offered actor Josh Gad, best known as the voice of Olaf in Disney’s Frozen franchise. “We have the Hulk, Samwise Gamgee [and] Luke Skywalker.”

Is any of this going to work? I don’t know. But it seems like a more effective strategy than, say, calling Trump’s supporters a “basket of deplorables,” as Hillary Clinton did during the 2016 election. “Deplorable,” it turned out, could easily be transformed into “badass” in the eyes of some supporters. “Weird” doesn’t work like that. Because it’s not about a collection of behaviors. It’s about an unpleasant fug that gets on you and follows you, one that you can’t even fix because you can’t even smell.

In the parlance of Michelle Obama: They go low, we go “ew.”
Harris to hold first rally with running mate Tuesday in Philadelphia
Politico (archive.ph)
By Holly Otterbein and Eugene Daniels
2024-07-30 20:30:00GMT
Vice President Kamala Harris is expected to announce her running mate by Tuesday, when she will hold her first rally with her pick in Philadelphia.

The two will barnstorm cities in seven swing states in four days. In addition to Philadelphia, they’ll hit western Wisconsin, Detroit, Raleigh, Savannah, Phoenix and Las Vegas.

The stops will mark the first major campaign swing the presumptive ticket will make since Harris became the all-but-certain Democratic presidential nominee following President Joe Biden’s sudden departure from the race. The tour also underscores that the campaign believes the electoral map has expanded since Biden passed the baton to Harris.

The details of Harris and her running mate’s schedule were first shared with POLITICO by the campaign.

Harris’ decision to kick off her tour in the biggest city in Pennsylvania is sure to set off speculation about her vice presidential pick. One of the top contenders being vetted by Harris’ team is Josh Shapiro, the governor of the swing state.

If Harris chooses Shapiro as her running mate, Philadelphia would make an obvious place to roll out the news, given that he hails from the area’s suburbs. But it’s also a diverse, vote-rich city that every presidential nominee must tend to thanks to the state’s 19 electoral votes, and it’s possible Harris’ plans don’t signal anything beyond that.

A Harris campaign aide cautioned against reading too much into the first city chosen for the tour.

Harris said a decision about her No. 2 spot on ticket has not been finalized. Asked by reporters on Tuesday if she has selected her running mate, she said “not yet.”

Harris is planning to interview potential vice presidential nominees in the upcoming days, said people familiar with the vetting process and granted anonymity to speak freely. Other names in the mix include Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

Shapiro said on Tuesday that he had not spoken to Harris since July 21, the day that Biden dropped out.

Shapiro has spent recent days stumping for Harris throughout Pennsylvania, a sign to many Democrats that he is trying out for the role of vice presidential nominee. He headlined a Harris rally with Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer in the Philly suburbs on Monday, touted the IRS’ free tax filing program with Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Tuesday, and spoke at a Harris endorsement event with building trades unions on Friday.

After visiting a youth basketball program in Philadelphia on Tuesday, Shapiro touted Harris as “a tough-as-nails prosecutor” and knocked Trump’s running mate, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio, as “not exactly off to a good start.”

Shapiro declined to answer questions about whether he would be interested in being on the ticket with Harris or if he has submitted vetting materials to her team, saying, “The vice president has a very deeply personal decision to make right now: who she wants to run with, who she wants to govern with, and who can be by her side when she has to make the toughest decisions for the American people. I trust she will make that decision on her own terms when she is ready.”

Other vice presidential candidates under consideration have been boosting Harris on television and in fundraising appeals. Walz has gone viral for calling Trump’s GOP “weird people,” while Beshear said on MSNBC that “JD Vance ain’t from here.”

While Harris’ campaign appearances next week will mark her first sustained swing through battlegrounds, she traveled to Wisconsin for a rally last week and was in Georgia on Tuesday for another rally.
Harris is only candidate to qualify for DNC roll call
Politico (archive.ph)
By Elena Schneider
2024-07-30 21:08:00GMT
Kamala Harris will be the only candidate on the Democratic National Committee’s virtual roll call ballot for president, cementing her status as the party’s all-but-certain nominee.

Convention delegates will begin voting on Harris’ nomination on Thursday and finish by Aug. 5, according to a statement released by the DNC Tuesday night. The vice president secured support from 3,923 delegates to appear on the virtual ballot.

Harris’ expected nomination next week marks the end of a dramatic and condensed process that immediately elevated the vice president after President Joe Biden withdrew from the race on July 21. Less than 10 days later, Harris has cleared the field, and her name will be the only one placed in nomination.

Three other candidates filed with the DNC, but they failed to collect 300 delegate signatures necessary to gain access to the virtual ballot.

Harris, Biden’s chosen successor, benefited from the compressed timeline. Within 24 hours of announcing her own run, a cascade of Democratic officials, donors and activists backed her candidacy, and no serious candidates challenged her bid. The DNC’s push for a virtual roll call — aimed at avoiding a Republican-backed legal challenge for ballot access in Ohio — also helped speed up the process.

Automatic delegates — traditionally referred to as superdelegates — will vote on the first ballot, since Harris “has the verified support of a number of pledged delegates equal to or greater than a majority of all pledged and automatic delegates,” the statement said.

“Democratic delegates from across the nation made their voices heard, overwhelmingly backing Vice President Kamala Harris as the Democratic Party’s presumptive nominee,” DNC chair Jaime Harrison and DNC’s convention chair Minyon Moore said in a joint statement. “Our party has met this unprecedented moment with a transparent, democratic and orderly process to unite behind a nominee with a proven record who will lead us in the fight ahead.”
 
Im getting sick and tired of hearing this Iran shit. The more they say it the more I think they were betting on trump dying so they could have a paper thin excuse to invade.

This doesn't fit irans MO. Like seriously? Pin all their hopes and dreams on a fucking limp wristed teenager?
Relax, it's a dadjoke, but YMMV due to accents.

How did Saddamn Hussain get to Kuwait? Iran (He-Ran)
Where does Saddamn Hussain keep his CDs? Iraq (A rack).
How did crooks get on the roof? Iran (He ran, also double play on words because Iran, as you said, is a poor excuse used by warmongers)
 
Bit behind on the thread so apologies if it’s been brought up already but I quite like the ‘weird’ approach from the Dems, they should stick with it.

Think about it, who is ‘weird’? And the answer is absolutely nobody if you’re over the age of 14. KIDS call ADULTS (and each other) weird. Vance and Trump are both parents, they’ll be familiar with that insult and if you were to ask, Vance’s kid would agree that yes, his Dad is very weird indeed.

The Dems are subconsciously identifying themselves as children. Associating themselves even more with being brats and babies. Name calling and playground bullying children who attack authority. This approach will resonate with anyone who has been called a weirdo whilst trying to corral little snotty Steven or Jessica into eating their veggies or sitting down on the goddamn bus. Positive reinforcement it is not.

So who are you going to vote for? The kids who want to smear their shit on the walls with abandon and live in chaos or the adults who want everyone to behave nicely and treat one another with fairness and respect?

Vote Dad. The weirdo keeping you safe.
 
good morning fellow kiwis.

trump is up two today on RCP.

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at this point i cant tell if RFK is hurting him or not, i think RFK should stay in regardless bc im sick of only having dems and pubs on ballet. but there may be some weight to what people are saying about RFK hurting trump. i didnt believe it at first, one look at RFKs website and his running mate, he comes off like a slightly less batshit insane democrat.
I cannot believe that the dude who hired a Silicon Valley technocrat as his VP and is most known for his dead brain worm and anti-vax position significantly draws from Trump's base more than the generic Democrat.
I really cannot. Polls would have to show a massive swing to convince me otherwise. It reeks of standard poll trickery.
 
I cannot believe that the dude who hired a Silicon Valley technocrat as his VP and is most known for his dead brain worm and anti-vax position significantly draws from Trump's base more than the generic Democrat.
I really cannot. Polls would have to show a massive swing to convince me otherwise. It reeks of standard poll trickery.
i agree, i think the polling is skewed, mostly bc of harris, late entry. there have polling of harris v trump in a two way for months.

the polling on a harris v trump fiveway is more scarce. messes with the aggregate.
 
It's ironic how they rejected the 2 candidates most likely (though not guaranteed) to beat Trump. RFK jr & Tulsi Gabbard. Now RFK jr is running as an independent candidate and Tulsi is backing Trump. 🤣
Listening to RFK Jr speak makes me want to kill myself. He needs to only speak through an AI filter that makes him sound like his father or JFK.
 
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This is a particularly prophetic passage, predicting things like Twitch thots and OnlyFans as well as MAID in Canada:

The few remaining men can exist out their puny days dropped out on drugs or strutting around in drag or passively watching the high-powered female in action, fulfilling themselves as spectators, vicarious livers*[FOOTNOTE: It will be electronically possible for him to tune into any specific female he wants to and follow in detail her every movement. The females will kindly, obligingly consent to this, as it won't hurt them in the slightest and it is a marvelously kind and humane way to treat their unfortunate, handicapped fellow beings.] or breeding in the cow pasture with the toadies, or they can go off to the nearest friendly suicide center where they will be quietly, quickly, and painlessly gassed to death.

So we live in the SCUM manifesto gynecocracy already? 😳
 
At this point if they try to kill Trump, I'm damn sure Vance would win outright amid some sort of nightmarish civil disaster. And they probably fear that as much as Trump, so good insurance for him.
The assassination attempt on Trump gave him good publicity.

Wonder what it would look like if there was a second, successful, attempt.

The one quip that would beat "I took a bullet for democracy" would be "my running mate died for democracy."
 
That Kamalot cover scares the shit out of me. Because it indicates Obama 2.0 level lugenpress bullshit as everyone and their mother in the media becomes Kamala Harris suck ups on the basis that it's Camalot 3.0 and everyone wanting to be part of the "third coming of Camalot" and the first female Presidency.

And the whole "Trump/Vance/their supporters are weird" is giving be nasty high school flashbacks. It's bad enough when you have an Elroy Noir villain running for President, but a woman who has the mentality of Sandi Griffin from Daria or Head Cunt Heather Chandler from Heathers, is frightening. That's the sort of cunt who will say or do anything to get her way and for whom no taboo is off limits. At least with Hillary Clinton, you could make the case she knew enough to know the limitations of how far you can go line stepping before you cross the line that will trigger Gotterdammerung. Harris has no such compulsions because being an overgrown mean girl, she's never fucking had to face any consequences like Hillary did to give her the slither of self awareness of how far she could go in terms of going rogue.
 
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