GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

yea the modules seemed unbelievably space-inefficient to me, particularly the USB ports. its like if you cant fit two ports into a module then why didn't you just expand the module size slightly. i think its thunderbolt internally so its absolutely not a bitrate issue they just suck
and if they say "well the dual ports would have to share bandwith which might confuse the buyer" then they don't understand their customer
 
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Intel fabs aren't going to be simply abandoned. In the absolute worst case, they'll be spun off like AMD did with GlobalFoundries back in 2008. And GlobalFoundries remains a major player in semiconductors even today. It just doesn't chase the highest-end nodes.

EDIT: I should also add that spinning off the fabs, while bad for Intel as a whole, would probably be a net gain for the rest of the industry. A major sticking point right now is that third-parties don't want to fab with Intel because they're afraid of IP leaking into Intel designs. If Intel's fab business was completely divorced from Intel itself, it'd get a ton of extra business. Nvidia and AMD would love nothing more than to have a second-source for their stuff that isn't TSMC.
 
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Intel Processor Issues Class Action Lawsuit Investigation



Intel Processor Issues
Class Action Lawsuit Investigation​

Posted: July 30, 2024 -- Attention: Consumers who have purchased Intel Core 13th/14th Generation desktop processors (or computers containing these processors) that are experiencing instability issues.Abington Cole + Ellery is investigating a potential class action lawsuit regarding Intel Core 13th/14th Generation processor instability issues.


 
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Intel Processor Issues Class Action Lawsuit Investigation
I remember I once filed a complaint against Intel with the BBB because the MSI netbook I bought had an Atom with PowerVR iGPU which was a steaming pile of shit that could not be upgraded to Windows 7, and they refunded me the full purchase price for my laptop. Granted, I had gotten it at a good sale price due to a price tag error at Staples. Apparently Intel outsourced the graphics system design to one company, and writing drivers to another company, and that other company was not contracted to make a Windows 7 driver.
 
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Intel fabs aren't going to be simply abandoned. In the absolute worst case, they'll be spun off like AMD did with GlobalFoundries back in 2008. And GlobalFoundries remains a major player in semiconductors even today. It just doesn't chase the highest-end nodes.

EDIT: I should also add that spinning off the fabs, while bad for Intel as a whole, would probably be a net gain for the rest of the industry. A major sticking point right now is that third-parties don't want to fab with Intel because they're afraid of IP leaking into Intel designs. If Intel's fab business was completely divorced from Intel itself, it'd get a ton of extra business. Nvidia and AMD would love nothing more than to have a second-source for their stuff that isn't TSMC.
Not sure it’s actually so simple. GF even when they were under AMD did work for others and were originally an IBM fan (I think?)

Intel’s fab have until very recently only done stuff for Intel themselves.

All their machinery, all their software and processes were all created for one thing only: Building in-house chips for a very specific purpose.

Whether they can switch to being a generic manufacturer is a good question, as is the question of how much you’d need to invest in them to make that change. Not sure if it would ultimately be worth it.

Anyways, saw something which I thought was really cool… There’s this repair shop that upgrades SSDs/RAM on Macs, no matter if it’s soldered or not:



He also does these crazy mods where he installs modern GPUs and NVME SSDs in 2012 MacBook Pros:

 
Yea I think relying on third party accessory manufacturers to fix your newly launched product is a bad idea, and kindof a bad bet to hope that will happen if you were buying one
Hey, I'm not disagreeing HOWEVER I strongly suspect that Framework did their own research and found that the kind of spergs who wanted their product either already owned or could be induced to buy generic AliExpress docks with 20 USB ports and serial and parallel and probably even fucking firewire for most regular use (at a desk).
 
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how come TSMC, which has zero black people anywhere on the island
I'm glad you specified that. I bet the BlaX quota is doing them no favors in Arizona.

So what CPU should I be aiming for a laptop?

I hear really good stuff about Stryx Point, AMD’s latest SOC, but supposedly Intels new Core Ultra is also really good.

Any nerds want to chime in?
You shouldn't get any new laptop. You should always get an older one that has been discounted 50%+ from its original selling price.

If you really want to go brand new, get Strix Point for sure, and ignore Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite/Plus. Intel Meteor Lake is crushed by Strix Point. Intel's upcoming Lunar Lake looks interesting, especially for handhelds, but it's unclear exactly how well it will do. I'm willing to believe that cutting back on the CPU performance while focusing on the GPU performance is a good idea for most people. Lunar Lake isn't the end, there should be typical Arrow Lake-H and Arrow Lake-U chips for laptops within a few months of Lunar Lake's September launch. If Intel disappoints, it will be because they price Lunar Lake sky high, while Arrow Lake-U becomes the "budget" option with worse graphics no earlier than 2025.

I remember I once filed a complaint against Intel with the BBB because the MSI netbook I bought had an Atom with PowerVR iGPU which was a steaming pile of shit that could not be upgraded to Windows 7, and they refunded me the full purchase price for my laptop. Granted, I had gotten it at a good sale price due to a price tag error at Staples. Apparently Intel outsourced the graphics system design to one company, and writing drivers to another company, and that other company was not contracted to make a Windows 7 driver.
That sounds absolutely ancient and shit. What was it, "Cedarview" dual-core Atom N2800/N2600? I'm looking here and searching for dies that had PowerVR.

These days, the humble Intel N100 can do anything basic expected of a computer and a little more, although it typically uses a lot more power.
 
GF even when they were under AMD did work for others and were originally an IBM fan (I think?)

GF fabricated chips for IBM after they were spun off in 2008, beginning with Power8 in 2014. Then they stole $1.5 billion in cash and $1b in assets on the grounds that they had their fingers crossed behind their backs when they promised IBM they would build a 10nm plant, and so Power10 got redesigned for 7nm and is made by Samsung. They announced a collaboration with Intel in 2021, so I'm guessing either Power11 or Power12 will be on Intel.
 
Their biggest problem at the Arizona fab iirc is imported Taiwanese engineers going native and interviewing at US tech companies that pay six-figure salaries and don't require them to work weekends.
Not only that, they’ve had a tonne of issues just finding locals able to construct basic buildings. Part of it is the ignorance of the yank population in general, and part of it is that Taiwan doesn’t have much in the way of worker’s health and safety regulation. So basically they hire men to pour concrete who firstly don’t know how to pour concrete, and secondly aren’t allowed to without a five year degree because otherwise they may get injured doing it.
 
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Not only that, they’ve had a tonne of issues just finding locals able to construct basic buildings. Part of it is the ignorance of the yank population in general, and part of it is that Taiwan doesn’t have much in the way of worker’s health and safety regulation. So basically they hire men to pour concrete who firstly don’t know how to pour concrete, and secondly aren’t allowed to without a five year degree because otherwise they may get injured doing it.


The biggest issue they have is diversity requirements. They're not used to a country that requires you to hire unqualified people because they're not white.

Fun fact, all this is actually unconstitutional under the 14th amendment, but whatever. Laws are fake & gay.
 
The biggest issue they have is diversity requirements. They're not used to a country that requires you to hire unqualified people because they're not white.

Fun fact, all this is actually unconstitutional under the 14th amendment, but whatever. Laws are fake & gay.
To be fair, you could have just chosen to not buy slaves en masse and you wouldn’t be having these issues with their descendants.
 
To be fair, you could have just chosen to not buy slaves en masse and you wouldn’t be having these issues with their descendants.

We never enslaved Hispanics. They mostly moved to the Southwest after the racial spoils system was set up in the 1960s (a hundred years after the end of the Civil War, too). The Civil Rights Act entitles any ethnic group which underperforms whites to preferential treatment, not just blacks.
 
Intel to layoff more than 15% of workforce — almost 20,000 employees — encountered Meteor Lake yield issues, suspends dividend

Here are the most relevant bullet points from the company's press release:

  • Implementing comprehensive reduction in spending, including a more than 15% headcount reduction, to resize and refocus.
  • Suspending dividend starting in the fourth quarter of 2024. The company reiterates its long-term commitment to a competitive dividend as cash flows improve to sustainably higher levels.
  • Reducing Operating Expenses: The company will streamline its operations and meaningfully cut spending and headcount, reducing non-GAAP R&D and marketing, general and administrative (MG&A) to approximately $20 billion in 2024 and approximately $17.5 billion in 2025, with further reductions expected in 2026. Intel expects to reduce headcount by greater than 15% with the majority completed by the end of 2024.
  • Reducing Capital Expenditures: With the end of its historic five-nodes-in-four-years journey firmly in sight, Intel is now shifting its focus toward capital efficiency and investment levels aligned to market requirements. This will reduce gross capital expenditures* in 2024 by more than 20% from prior projections, bringing gross capital expenditures in 2024 to between $25 billion and $27 billion. Intel expects net capital spending* in 2024 of between $11 billion and $13 billion. In 2025, the company is targeting gross capital expenditures between $20 billion and $23 billion and net capital spending between $12 billion and $14 billion.
  • Reducing Cost of Sales: The company expects to generate $1 billion in savings in non-variable cost of sales in 2025. Product mix will continue to be a headwind next year, contributing to modest YoY improvements to 2025's gross margin.
  • Maintaining Core Investments to Execute Strategy: The company continues to advance its long-term innovation and path to leadership across process technology and products, and the increased efficiency from its actions is expected to further support its execution. In addition, Intel continues to sustain investments to build a resilient and sustainable semiconductor supply chain in the United States and around the world.
  • Intel is nearing the completion of its promised five-nodes-in-four-years strategy, with Intel 18A on track to be manufacturing-ready by the end of this year and production wafer start volumes in the first half of 2025. In July 2024, Intel released to foundry customers the 1.0 PDK for Intel 18A. The company’s first two Intel 18A products, Panther Lake for client — the first microprocessor to use RibbonFet, PowerVia and advanced packaging — and Clearwater Forest for servers, are on track to launch in 2025.
  • Simplifying Our Portfolio: We will complete actions this month to simplify our businesses. Each business unit is conducting a portfolio review and identifying underperforming products. We are also integrating key software assets into our business units so we accelerate our shift to systems-based solutions. And we will narrow our incubation focus on fewer, more impactful projects.
 
I looked and couldn't find out where the cuts were coming from, i'm curious to see how much-if any of the israel fab is hit; or were they "miraculously" spared.
 
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