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[Comedic Sociopathy]

Spoiler: Off topic

Sorry to butt in but I just had this convo with a friend, lol. Ozempic-type drugs ARE available here in Euroland, but they go under a different name here. However they are drugs for diabetes so they should really only be taken by people with the beetus... Or else they can cause all kinds of health issues to a healthy person. (I think heart related) I just think this is a good thing to know. But definitely talk to your doctor, and ask him about potential side effects or ill effects of a drug like that. Depending on your overall health and quality of life, it might be worth taking it with doctor's guidance. In any case I wish you luck. I have PCOS and Endo so I am very familiar with a lot of the issues you are dealing with. Did you know something like 8-15% of all women have PCOS? It's a more common health issue than you'd think. Personally this is part of why I hate it when troons and poons imply that PCOS basically makes you a man.

Spoiler: I'll do this too because it looks less weird than the blurry text

100% agree, sister. ❤
Like, PCOS is such a fucking struggle and sometimes it's worse than the Multiple Sclerosis I have on top of it. You know, you have that asshole Endo shite and that must be crippling too.
Yeah, hormonal disorders became pretty common, I've had an interesting conversation with my doc about it. It's probably because of endocrine disruptors. Basically, we fucked up the environment and especially the water so bad that it's full of micro plastics, plasticisers and other potentially hormone changing garbage that this will probably be the future of humanity. Until we're completely unable to reproduce, I guess.

Regarding the drug, I just googled and it is known here. But I don't know if doc approves.
Birth control helps and I'm trying a new drug to regulate my insulin levels but considering the things you mentioned, she might not be a fan. But I'll try anyway. I mean, at least my heart is healthy after all lol

And thanks for butting in, I'm always happy about input. Don't know about you but all of this is incredibly frustrating, especially since the troons took over the hormone and gender discussion.

Basically, fuck troons and their weird "understanding" of hormones. I'm more mad at the dudes because how dare they talk about shite they don't understand. I'm not talking about prostate cancer either.
PCOS is nothing short of humiliating and incredibly depressing and they're there, being all smug because there is a boxer of questionable gender and hormones beating up women while they cheer him on now seemingly confirming their nonsense science and the TRUTH about hormones.
What a world to live in.

 

[TismFarmer]

And Id love if you can find a middle school textbook that says people born with a vagina are men

I don't know what kind of Middle School you went to, but in my country, 11-12 year olds aren't doing any kind of in-depth learning about Disorders of Sexual Development.
It doesn't matter though, you aren't an 11-12 year old and you don't seem to have any knowledge of Disorders of Sexual Development, let alone in-depth knowledge.
You are either a troll or your 2 brain cells have collided and are now lying unconscious on the floor of your skull and nobody is in charge up there...
Ps. If you wait until they print a new edition of the Textbook millennium style, it will more than likely say whatever the ideology says is Biology.

 

[Peaches Demure]

I don't know what kind of Middle School you went to, but in my country, 11-12 year olds aren't doing any kind of in-depth learning about Disorders of Sexual Development.
It doesn't matter though, you aren't an 11-12 year old and you don't seem to have any knowledge of Disorders of Sexual Development, let alone in-depth knowledge.
You are either a troll or your 2 brain cells have collided and are now lying unconscious on the floor of your skull and nobody is in charge up there...
Ps. If you wait until they print a new edition of the Textbook millennium style, it will more than likely say whatever the ideology says is Biology.

I'm a 53-year-old eurofag, and we actually did learn about DSDs in 6th grade. Back then AIS was called testicular feminization, and "intersex" was called hermaphrodism. We also learned about Turner 45X0 and Klinefelter 47XXY. (Yeah, you can make paleolithic jokes if you wish). This was taught along with the basics of chromosomes, hormones and what makes men male and woman female. Very basic, obviously, and the teacher explained it in terms that 12-year-olds could understand, such as what you "get" if your baby has one too many or one too few chromosomes.

Maybe the education quality has dropped since I went to middle school? Either way, this individual is functionally illiterate. We've established that much.

 

[AssignedEva]

I would bet that Khelif is an intersex male, but I'm not entirely certain what condition.

Hard to guess. I'd suggest it could be 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency like Caster Semeneya had. Basically the child is born phenotypically female but upon reaching puberty begins to virilise, as their body can't easily convert testosterone to DHT (which is responsible for a lot of early sex differentiation) but at puberty still produces and responds to near-male levels of testosterone.

The British Medical Journal reported four such athletes underwent genital surgery and gonadectomy to comply with the IOC rules (this was 2014). It crops up especially in isolated communities with inbreeding like one area of Puerto Rico where such children are called Guevedoche ("penis at twelve") and Papua New Guinea where they're called kwolu-aatmwol ("becoming a man-thing"). I do not know if there are clusters in Algeria but parts of Algeria have exceptionally high rates of cosanguinous marriage, with the Tébessa region of Algeria seeing 88% of marriages between first cousins.

It would explain why she was raised as a girl but has become so heavily masculinised, and she fits the profile of similar athletes who got sterilised to conform to IOC rules. She'd fail a karyotype gender test but without testes, she'd fall within the IOC's acceptable testosterone range (but having developed a male frame).

 

[PigFarm]

I'm a 53-year-old eurofag, and we actually did learn about DSDs in 6th grade. Back then AIS was called testicular feminization, and "intersex" was called hermaphrodism. We also learned about Turner 45X0 and Klinefelter 47XXY. (Yeah, you can make paleolithic jokes if you wish). This was taught along with the basics of chromosomes, hormones and what makes men male and woman female. Very basic, obviously, and the teacher explained it in terms that 12-year-olds could understand, such as what you "get" if your baby has one too many or one too few chromosomes.

Maybe the education quality has dropped since I went to middle school? Either way, this individual is functionally illiterate. We've established that much.

The only time it was brought up in my high school was when someone was dissecting a pig that ended up being a hermaphrodite. Even then, it was a quick 101 on how some babies get all fucked up in utero

 

[Comedic Sociopathy]

I'm a 53-year-old eurofag, and we actually did learn about DSDs in 6th grade. Back then AIS was called testicular feminization, and "intersex" was called hermaphrodism. We also learned about Turner 45X0 and Klinefelter 47XXY. (Yeah, you can make paleolithic jokes if you wish). This was taught along with the basics of chromosomes, hormones and what makes men male and woman female. Very basic, obviously, and the teacher explained it in terms that 12-year-olds could understand, such as what you "get" if your baby has one too many or one too few chromosomes.

Maybe the education quality has dropped since I went to middle school? Either way, this individual is functionally illiterate. We've established that much.

My mum tutors a 12-year-old and yes, education quality has dropped immensely in the Western world.
Boomers are actually right when they say people are dumber than they used to be, it's the reverse Flynn effect.

 

[Salt Upon Wounds]

This handsome young lady advertising their "Christian queer gospel" as well as a nebulous "business model" via sponsored post on Instagram. Looked extremely familiar. Could not put my finger on it until I happened to see reruns of In Living Color on TV.

Spoiler: D:

They are also married to a very supportive wife. She has four breasts so it's no problem at all to let Vera borrow a couple here and there.

 

[TismFarmer]

Hard to guess. I'd suggest it could be 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency like Caster Semeneya had. Basically the child is born phenotypically female but upon reaching puberty begins to virilise, as their body can't easily convert testosterone to DHT (which is responsible for a lot of early sex differentiation) but at puberty still produces and responds to near-male levels of testosterone.

The British Medical Journal reported four such athletes underwent genital surgery and gonadectomy to comply with the IOC rules (this was 2014). It crops up especially in isolated communities with inbreeding like one area of Puerto Rico where such children are called Guevedoche ("penis at twelve") and Papua New Guinea where they're called kwolu-aatmwol ("becoming a man-thing"). I do not know if there are clusters in Algeria but parts of Algeria have exceptionally high rates of cosanguinous marriage, with the Tébessa region of Algeria seeing 88% of marriages between first cousins.

It would explain why she was raised as a girl but has become so heavily masculinised, and she fits the profile of similar athletes who got sterilised to conform to IOC rules.She'd fail a karyotype gender test but without testes, she'd fall within the IOC's acceptable testosterone range (but having developed a male frame).

If everyone involved in this is telling the truth,( ) ie. He was thought to be female at birth, raised as a girl, legally a girl etc, and now as an adult looks like that. It's more likely than not that this is the exact DSD he suffers from.
The fact that everyone genuinely thought he was a girl until the puberty fairy brought him a penis, doesn't make any difference now.
He knows he's a man. His coach knows he's a man. His doctor knows he is a man.
And He is deliberately cheating.

 

[PigFarm]

So I was looking up an olympic runner and noticed her profile had "he" pronouns.

At first I thought maybe it was a translation error but none of the other women on the team have the same issue.

I hope this creates a scandal next. I don't think it's anything but a mistake, but still lol given the current controversy

https://athletics.ca/fr/athlete/jacqueline-madogo/

 

[Peaches Demure]

My mum tutors a 12-year-old and yes, education quality has dropped immensely in the Western world.
Boomers are actually right when they say people are dumber than they used to be, it's the reverse Flynn effect.

Well, I'm a Gen X-er actually, but sure that is depressing to hear. I think the biggest culprit is lack of practice reading and writing. Today's kids aren't taught proper grammar, punctuation or sentence structure. We all hated grammar lessons (hence the Grammar Nazi expression) but I'm grateful I received the education I did in the 80's. Today's kids don't read books (and certainly not classics that actually test your reading comprehension) to the same extent that previous generations did. Instant messaging does not replace Jane Austen.

 

[Comedic Sociopathy]

Well, I'm a Gen X-er actually, but sure that is depressing to hear. I think the biggest culprit is lack of practice reading and writing. Today's kids aren't taught proper grammar, punctuation or sentence structure. We all hated grammar lessons (hence the Grammar Nazi expression) but I'm grateful I received the education I did in the 80's. Today's kids don't read books (and certainly not classics that actually test your reading comprehension) to the same extent that previous generations did. Instant messaging does not replace Jane Austen.

Oh yes, of course you are, it was just because boomers are always complaining about the kids being stupid.
Turns out they're right, I guess.

And I agree 100%.
I hated school but now I'm thankful for having been in school in the 90's and 2000's and for having intellectual hippie soy parents who didn't allow me to watch any TV before I was in primary school and for insisting I read books.
Because yes to those classics.

You know, when smartphones were new, I thought that humanity will become so educated and leave all ignorance behind because we now have all the knowledge of this planet always in our pockets.
Man, what a naive dumbass I was.

 

[AssignedEva]

If everyone involved in this is telling the truth, ie. He was thought to be female at birth, raised as a girl, legally a girl etc, and now as an adult looks like that. It's more likely than not that this is the exact DSD he suffers from.
The fact that everyone genuinely thought he was a girl until the puberty fairy brought him a penis, doesn't make any difference now.
He knows he's a man. His coach knows he's a man. His doctor knows he is a man.
And He is deliberately cheating.

It is hard not to feel sympathetic, although that doesn't mean it's OK to compete.

The International Boxing Association performed a test on both Imene and the Taiwanese boxer.
"On 17 March 2023, both boxers were asked to take a further blood test. That happened, and on 23 March the results came through, and it demonstrated the chromosomes that we referred to within the competition rules – that make both boxers ineligible." In other words, XY chromosomes indicated chromosomal male sex.

The IOC doesn't do karyotype testing because they consider it a violation of an athlete's genetic privacy and think announcing to an athlete (and the world) "you're a man" can be very damaging to an athlete. They also attempted to argue that the IBA had faked the tests to discredit two athletes who'd bested Russian athletes.

The IOC instead base it on testosterone level

The X marks the potential level an athlete can be at and still compete in the female category. This is noticeably higher than the levels typically associated with a castrated man; chemical castration is considered to take place at ≤50 ng dl −1. Surgical castration usually leaves the patient with testosterone levels <20 ng dl −1. For transgender women they require under 10 n/mol per litre for at least 12 months to compete, although Imene would not be classified as transgender. Obviously someone who went through male puberty and then dropped testosterone levels would still have benefits.

However they apparently dropped this blanket rule? Something about no longer requiring athletes to undergo "medically unnecessary procedures" in order to compete, ensuring a new fairness, inclusion and non discrimination framework on the basis of gender identity and sex variation. It is now entirely unclear what tests they do if any in any particular sports, and it really could be a case that they're just going "it says an F in her passport, so that means she can compete in women's boxing".

Like I said, I feel sympathy. It must be traumatic for a girl to suddenly start growing into a man and feel like a freak, and I guess discovering an aptitude for sports and becoming a professional athlete seems like a consolation, and if the IOC says you're not cheating then you might feel emboldened to carry on. But this is actually insane if there's factual evidence that this person is an XY male with elevated testosterone but the IOC is ignoring it because acknowledging it would be mean.

 

[Chandelier]

Saeko_Cut, who has been featured here before for his downright violent fantasies against women, loves to brag about how hormones changed his sex and how he looks so much younger and sexier than JKR. He is also the Troon known for keeping two month old curdled milk in his fridge.

The JKR tweet:


In true Troon fashion, everything he says and does revolves around sex and porn.

Spoiler

He mentions Vaush on a tweet about dick sizes.

410 lb leg press:

More on his hips:


Let's see those hips.

Very womanly! Not a man at all! We just can't tell!

He also loves posting pictures of his non A cups, forgetting we can see he's wearing a push-up bra.


Where are those hips, lad? Also, nice male cartilage.

Even in the attempted big titty pic in the top left, they're still going two different directions. Also, the cup sizes changed from the top right and left to the bottom right. He's wearing a push-up bra in the top right.

The photo he just loves posting:

Nice push-up bra, dude.

On the struggles of not trying to pass as a woman:

Along with spoiled milk, he consumes nothing but soy. Tried to make a tongue in cheek comment, but admits it was all due to food insecurity as a kid.

He also thinks he's actually getting female hips:

But...wait for it...can't figure out why he's developing health problems.

He's losing his hair, his soft "feminine" skin is cracking, and he's depressed and lethargic. Whore moans clearly aren't helping

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Since he's also friends with Oncloud_e, I might as well post these gems.

Spoiler

On the best time to start transitioning:

"I do too much nail care, hair care, skin care, voice training and mannerism training to listen to someone like you."

Because womanhood is all about training, right? Just like a sport at the Olympics.

Here's that skin, nail and hair care in action. First is a Fullmetal Alchemist cosplay. Guess which character.

Don't you want those tube tits and skin rash blush?


Hot.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

Saeko_Cut, who has been featured here before for his downright violent fantasies against women,oves to brag about how hormones changed his sex and how he looks so much younger and sexier than JKR.

How dare Rowling not look like she just walked out of a porn shoot. We all know any woman worth recognising as alive should look like they’re in porn. Goddamn stupid broads can’t even woman properly. No wonder so many men are trying to show them how to do it.

Lol at the idiot trashing his health for the coom. Carry on, dude, it’s really showing us

 

[Frofo Baggis]

 

[Internet Wizard]

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Oh god... oh fuck...
I miss when intersex was seen (rightfully) as a legit (and rare) medical condition that had to be treated so that the child could survive, not as something to be flaunted (because it isn't)

 

[Marvin]

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"Female"

I mean... that's pretty much any female combat sport athlete though.

There's definitely a certain... type of woman who goes into serious athletics in general (think back to the field hockey team in high school). And then trim that group down to the ones that stick around for college sports or professionally, and then you filter one more time for combat sports, and this is what you get (even excluding troonery and DSDs):



(not a combat sport but you get my point)

It's best not to play this game. It's just another form of the troon game of "spot the passing tranny" from a collection of filtered, cropped pictures.

Like I said, I feel sympathy. It must be traumatic for a girl to suddenly start growing into a man and feel like a freak, and I guess discovering an aptitude for sports and becoming a professional athlete seems like a consolation, and if the IOC says you're not cheating then you might feel emboldened to carry on. But this is actually insane if there's factual evidence that this person is an XY male with elevated testosterone but the IOC is ignoring it because acknowledging it would be mean.

That's where I sit.

There's no need to be cruel to this person. Expecting a lifelong woman to just go "yep I'm a man" in front of the whole world at a major international sporting event, and shitting on them for having trouble with that, is retarded.

But that doesn't mean that we need to let them compete either. Someone needs to be the adult in the room and say no.

Really, I blame the coaches and national organizations that field these athletes a lot more than the athletes themselves.

If 5ARD and related disorders were obscure 20 years ago, they're certainly not now. Every coach or recruiter who spots a really strong or fast, butch looking woman is at least aware there might be something funky going on. They know better.

They could be responsible and get them tested ahead of time, but I guess for these shitheads easier just to wait until it reaches the world stage and say "uwu are you gonna call this poor little intersex woman a man???". Genuine assholes here.

 

[Crunchy Bone Sandwich]

Its so funny how trannies sound exactly like misogynist men when theyre talking about older or not conventionally attractive women. I wonder why they sound so similar

 

[Frofo Baggis]

Troons think women can grow a penis now.

 

[Marvin]

Troons think women can grow a penis now.

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Troons also have shit understanding of female anatomy. Roidclits do not protrude "out their vagina". (They're also not penises, but y'know, one step at a time.)