Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[thx1138]

If you're unfamiliar with the Sgt. York and its constant issues, go look into it. Now that's a vehicle that deserved the Pentagon Wars treatment. One time for a test the electronics malfunctioned because it had just been washed down, leading to a very sardonic comment from an observer wondering if it ever rained in Europe.

I know about the Sgt. York and the bad weather sealing. The biggest problem with the York was that conceptually it was fine: Bofors with fused ammo would have done just fine against the helos it was supposed to protect against, the Radar was actually very good (give me a second) and so on. It was just put together in a shitty way and mated to an already out of date chassis because COTS.

People go on about how the Radar tracked a "toilet fan" but what it locked onto was a cooling fan on a telemetry trailer near the range. In other words, the radar locked on to a small, rapidly rotating set of metal blades just like it was supposed to. And given that on a battlefield there are no telemetry trailers with ventilation fans stuck on them, how is this a problem?

Still, the teething problems the Sgt. York was going to have would have cost billions to sort out, and given how the USAF acts about the Army trying to defend itself in the air in a comprehensive way, they'd have found some other way to sabotage the thing. And, the media wanted SOMETHING, ANYTHING from Reagan's defense budget to die. They wanted at least ONE kill. They couldn't stop the Brad, the M1, the re-engineered B1, the new Navy ships, and so on. So went the Sgt. York. Given that they didn't have an infinite defense budget, and that something had to go, I'm glad it was that and not say the Brad or M1 or whatever else.

 

[Mikoyan]

People go on about how the Radar tracked a "toilet fan" but what it locked onto was a cooling fan on a telemetry trailer near the range. In other words, the radar locked on to a small, rapidly rotating set of metal blades just like it was supposed to. And given that on a battlefield there are no telemetry trailers with ventilation fans stuck on them, how is this a problem?

I agree with this and I think they gave up a little too easy on it. But...

There's a fella out there somewhere on the Internet that says he knew someone on the APG-66 dev team, who was then shuffled off onto making it work on the Sargent York. Who apparently said 'this won't work' and then smirked his way through all the troubles. I'd love to know why he felt this was predictable.

 

[Snekposter]

People go on about how the Radar tracked a "toilet fan" but what it locked onto was a cooling fan on a telemetry trailer near the range. In other words, the radar locked on to a small, rapidly rotating set of metal blades just like it was supposed to. And given that on a battlefield there are no telemetry trailers with ventilation fans stuck on them, how is this a problem?

I agree with this and I think they gave up a little too easy on it. But...

There's a fella out there somewhere on the Internet that says he knew someone on the APG-66 dev team, who was then shuffled off onto making it work on the Sargent York. Who apparently said 'this won't work' and then smirked his way through all the troubles. I'd love to know why he felt this was predictable.

From what I've heard it had unsolvable side lobe issues. Not exactly a problem if you're flying in a fighter jet like the F-16 since your radar futzing out since there's a target a hundred meters to side isn't ever going to happen since there won't be a target a hundred meters to your side, and if there is you've got bigger problems than not seeing what's in front of you. But on land there's endless things a hundred meters to either side of you, and the radar was picking up all of those. Only way you'd solve those would be by completely redesigning the antenna, which would kill the entire reason you went with a pre-existing design in the first place.

 

[Azure05]

Ka-52 downed in Kursk:

How many of them does russia have left?

 

[Ghostse]

Apparently the Crests are invading Kursk Oblast. Not Russian Opposition, actual true and honest Dills doing it openly this time.

First owning Wagner in Africa, now they are about to show them up with a drive to Moscow. Ukraine really on a warpath to piss all over Chef's grave.

Ka-52 downed in Kursk:

How many of them does russia have left?

We're under 50 and getting close to 40 if I remember right. And that's assuming all 100 or so they started the war with were operable.

But, but... I thought the BMP had the firepower to take one on no problem! I thought the Bradley was overheavy and a slow target! Were the Russian fanboys lying to me?

No they couldn't be lying. Clearly the Russians only avoid combat with Bradleys because such a vehicle is so easy to kill its shameful to have done so.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

And, the media wanted SOMETHING, ANYTHING from Reagan's defense budget to die. They wanted at least ONE kill. They couldn't stop the Brad, the M1, the re-engineered B1, the new Navy ships, and so on. So went the Sgt. York.

For better or for worse, the difference between the US media and the Russian media is that the latter actively simps for their country's military projects while the former actively attempts to get them shut down and cancelled.

For better or for worse...

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Yea, Chechens are retreating north after the border troops pretty much just ran.
A Russian counter attack was also defeated.
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I'm not sure why this is so fucking funny

 

[Mikoyan]

Still, the teething problems the Sgt. York was going to have would have cost billions to sort out, and given how the USAF acts about the Army trying to defend itself in the air in a comprehensive way, they'd have found some other way to sabotage the thing. And, the media wanted SOMETHING, ANYTHING from Reagan's defense budget to die. They wanted at least ONE kill. They couldn't stop the Brad, the M1, the re-engineered B1, the new Navy ships, and so on. So went the Sgt. York. Given that they didn't have an infinite defense budget, and that something had to go, I'm glad it was that and not say the Brad or M1 or whatever else.

Don't forget the minor journalism war over the MX, where Westinghouse (CBS) was a major contractor and RCA/GE (NBC) had been snubbed.

 

[WhiteNight]

Perhaps another indicator of how Trump might handle the hohol-katsap war: Kellyanne Conway, one of Trump's closest allies once in his presidential inner circle, has taken a job lobbying for Ukraine:

Former Trump Adviser Kellyanne Conway Lobbies for Ukrainian Interests

The former campaign aide indicated in a Justice Department filing that she will be paid $50,000 a month by an oligarch to seek support for Ukraine.

The filing signaled that Ms. Conway would engage U.S. lawmakers and opinion leaders to explain the importance of Ukraine to the protection of democratic principles, and would try to raise awareness “of Ukrainians’ fight for freedom and the Russian illegal war of aggression.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/us/politics/kellyanne-conway-ukraine-lobbying.html

https://archive.is/VApws

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm not sure why this is so fucking funny

Lots of reasons. Putin still had civilian border guards along the frontier of a country he invaded and is now trapped in the largest land war in Europe since the second world War? Bold strategy!

Oh, and the chechen troops so harped on about in propaganda. They were there too for whatever reason. Just too good to waste in the Vovchansk slaughter pits I guess. Ukraine sends a single tank battalion over the border, the civilian border guards flee and the Chechens lead the way to the rear. Like a flock of pigeons when the cat drops out of the tree.

It's very funny.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Lots of reasons. Putin still had civilian border guards along the frontier of a country he invaded and is now trapped in the largest land war in Europe since the second world War? Bold strategy!

Oh, and the chechen troops so harped on about in propaganda. They were there too for whatever reason. Just too good to waste in the Vovchansk slaughter pits I guess. Ukraine sends a single tank battalion over the border, the civilian border guards flee and the Chechens lead the way to the rear. Like a flock of pigeons when the cat drops out of the tree.

It's very funny.

Yes, hohols, we LET you waste resources on this attack over our border making us look RETARDED so that you would inevitably fail, Ukropigs. It is such a stupid and silly and pointless attack that you should stop it!

 

[thx1138]

For better or for worse, the difference between the US media and the Russian media is that the latter actively simps for their country's military projects while the former actively attempts to get them shut down and cancelled.

For better or for worse...

Our Media have been left wing simps for a long time. They wanted the US to lie back and take whatever the USSR was going to do to us; Reagan building our Military back up and correctly identifying Ivan and all of his fucking client states as the enemy ran counter to their red propaganda. FFS, the NYT kept the guy who said there was no famine in Ukraine on the books and covered for his ass for decades.

 

[Corette]

https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/7-august-attempted-attack-of-the-ukrainian-fpv-drone-on-the
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Attempted attack of the Ukrainian FPV drone on the Russian Mi-28 helicopter. Sudzha area of the Kursk region, Russia, yesterday​

 

[Ghostse]

Yea, Chechens are retreating north after the border troops pretty much just ran.
A Russian counter attack was also defeated.
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Yes, hohols, we LET you waste resources on this attack over our border making us look RETARDED so that you would inevitably fail, Ukropigs. It is such a stupid and silly and pointless attack that you should stop it!

Remember during the 2003-5 invasion of Iraq when the Iraqis invaded Rhode Island after the advance to Al Kut stalled out? And when the RI national guard was routed, their Puerto Rican barrier troops QRF also turned tail showing they were complete bitches when they were forced to fight in the open and without a cushion of meat between them and the enemy. And then Apache and a Blackhawk got shotdown in the first couple hours as the initial push to expel them failed?

Even though the US military later revealed that getting a bunch of towns burned, irreplacable helicopters shot down, and hundreds of troops killed and captured during the raid and the repulsed first counter-attack was all part of a masterful plan to make Iraq waste military resources, remember how everyone thought that a larger nation, one that claimed to have one of the most powerful armies in world, getting raided by the smaller country they invaded made them look like a complete bitch? I guess what I'm saying is NAFO burger types around here need to be careful about throwing stones in their glass house.
inb4 war of 1812
ESPECIALLY with all the towed direct-fire guns that Russia has.
srs though I should probably check myself before I wreck myself there, that is legit a good environment for field guns to make heroic last stands. Mainly just lol at Iraq being a paper tiger and Russia being not

 

[Vince McMahon]

Apparently, Ukrainians have advanced half way to Kursk NPP. Are zizters winning yet?

 

[Foltest]

Apparently, Ukrainians have advanced half way to Kursk NPP. Are zizters winning yet?

Silly banderist, our dear zizters are letting them advanced as much.
It is all part of the plan!

 

[teriyakiburns]

inb4 war of 1812

IMO, 1812 is a pretty interesting comparison. The USA invaded a neighbouring territory, one that had previously avoided union despite close cultural and historical ties, on the conviction of certain influential figures that it would welcome US forces and hegemony with open arms. Perhaps if Putin had paid some attention to history - real history, not the bizarre pseudohistory he loves so much - he might have been more cautious about invading Ukraine.

 

[NewFagWhore]

The triangle symbol on the ukrainian vehicles makes me think that this is not just a raid, at the very least its an operation with some unique ojective(s), otherwise it wouldve been just the cross they were using before. (unless i missed something and the triangle isn't new or exclusive to kursk)

 

[MG-34]

Apparently, Ukrainians have advanced half way to Kursk NPP. Are zizters winning yet?

Uh, Sweetie I believe you mean the Ukrainian Protectorate of Kursʹk's NPP.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

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