The British Summer of Discontent - The growing civil unrest of the native British population, sparked by the murder of 3 young girls in Southport

Sounds more active than I thought. If the thing is about drugs, I have to wonder if some of these groups will join in just because migrants are getting in on their trade and their turf and they have to defend those. It feels like a "beggars can't be choosers" if you're looking for a fight against the Muslims, but also it seems like the easiest way to justify the military being brought in.
Even the druggie areas would and will target Muslims and Migrants if it was seen to give them good support from the community, like they were still dealing drugs back in the earlier 90s when they were out killing the IRA, IPLO and INLA combined. The only difference is that the murder wing of the UDA the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF) is currently defunct while the money machine continues as usual.
 
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I think the idea is that "it's a redpill about the two tiers of policing" and it'll radicalize those who aren't sheep to join the fight". That's the only way I can see it.

Also, I'd imagine that those "counterprotesters with nothing to counter" will be painted as "look how great it is all these people showed up to fight hatred and bigotry". Especially if there's some Muslim calls to prayer or the thing turns into one big block party.
I think it will absolutely radicalise people, but radicals without a goal, or direction are useless. The government is going to clamp down even harder, and most people will just take it. We're genuinely just sort of waiting for some sort of 'glorious leader' at this point that can ride the lightning and not get immediately black bagged by the system. Or for things to get bad enough for a low level civil war like the Troubles. It's just more evidence for me that the country as it stands now, lacks a future and I should be looking to head for the US or East Euro where I won't go to the prison for calling a spade black. But again, I am a rabidly cynical person.
 
Belfast is probably one area that's just gonna keep going every night, that's how it goes over there.
Ireland is very different because people without conviction aren't dumb enough to go to these when theres real underlying anger. The English haven't had anything like this in recent history, at least yet.

Also, I'd imagine that those "counterprotesters with nothing to counter" will be painted as "look how great it is all these people showed up to fight hatred and bigotry". Especially if there's some Muslim calls to prayer or the thing turns into one big block party.


Good Image and Good PR are powerful things. And the government (especially a left wing government, hell LEFTISTS IN GENERAL) have a monopoly on those.
Many post-event events are organised by agencies, it wouldn't surprise me if these were some of them. I think someone posted screens of the organisers of the weekend protests saying 'these protests weren't organised by us so beware'.
 
How effective would it be to start a campaign of denying service to the police? Get a bunch of businesses to put up "no coppers" signs. As far as I can tell this isn't illegal since coppers aren't a protected class.
I don’t know about UK but in America there are businesses that openly post signs they won’t serve LEO or Military. Of course, the commies are the ones doing it. But these places were praised for being stunning and brave.

Lol now the police will get it from all sides. That’s what happens when you’re a soulless, immoral pig who sold their countrymen out for ‘but my retirement and government bennies” (paid for by the very taxpayer they’re fucking over) Get wrecked coppers. Sucks to suck.
 
I wonder if this will lead cops to quit, leak info to right wingers about plans of government and top brass, or both. Or if cops are too dedicated to pensions and benefits, or are just slaves to PR. Or if they actually truly believe n the oath they swore.


I'm gonna wonder if this will lead to people countering and offering sweet deals to cops as a show of appreciation.
“I'm gonna wonder if this will lead to people countering and offering sweet deals to cops as a show of appreciation.”

It’s always convenient when your enemy publicly identifies themselves.
 
Here is an article featuring the people whose businesses were burned in Belfast.

‘My thoughts about the city have changed’: Belfast residents consider future after riots​

Omar al-Garady stood on the pavement gazing at the ruins of the supermarket where his family used to buy halal chicken and rice. The windows were smashed and the walls were charred, casting an acrid aroma over Donegall Road in south Belfast.

“It had everything,” he said, looking at an interior jumbled with debris and mounds of blackened packets. “The owner was from Syria.”

As he spoke a car slowed down and a young man stuck his head out the window. He was smiling. “Bye bye shop!” he yelled. “Bye bye!”

Al-Garady did not flinch. Since the riots in England spread to Northern Ireland, the 35-year-old from war-torn Yemen has adjusted to a new reality. “All my thoughts about the Irish and this city have changed,” he said. “I don’t feel secure. We’ve been advised to keep our children inside. I hope in my heart everything will be all right.”

The mob that rampaged through this patch of Belfast last Saturday, and again on Monday, involved a few hundred people, a tiny minority of residents. But some of the immigrants and refugees who were targeted are fearful that the hostility goes wide and deep.

Mohammed Idris, 50, a refugee from Sudan, fled when a crowd attacked his cafe. “They were shouting: ‘Where is Mohammed?’” he said.

“They burnt it completely.” It was not his first time standing in the ashes of his livelihood. Last August, long before the Southport killings prompted disturbances across England, a mob burned Idris’s computer shop.

He is grateful for expressions of solidarity and crowdfunding initiatives to help him and other businessowners rebuild but said he plans to move to another part of Belfast: “If I stay it will happen again.”

While hotspots for unrest have cooled somewhat in England in recent days Belfast has kept simmering, with six arrests during a spate of incidents on Tuesday night. Masked men drove a stolen car into an estate agents after claims it was renting homes to asylum seekers.

Elsewhere masked men smashed doorways and windows of homes and youths pelted eggs at a supermarket, which left a 15-year-old requiring treatment for facial injuries. The supermarket had been previously attacked in January and February. Ten nurses from overseas plan to leave Northern Ireland, the BBC reported.

Police believe that paramilitary groups are contributing to the violence. It does not help that the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) is overstretched; the force is supposed to have 7,500 officers but has just 6,300. Another factor is synergy with far-right activists in Ireland who have targeted asylum accommodation and staged violent protests there, including a riot in Dublin last November. Several attended a rally in Belfast last Saturday and waved Irish tricolours alongside loyalists with British flags.

Migrants and refugees in the loyalist Donegall Road and Sandy Row area said most residents were welcoming, or at least not overtly hostile, but that a well of resentment, racism and misinformation could perpetuate intimidation and violence.

A cluster of bystanders near Idris’s charred cafe appeared to condemned the arsonists. “Why are they doing this? There’s no call for it,” said Rob, 45, a maintenance worker. “We’re all just here for a short time and should live in peace. What’s happening is totally crazy.”

There were murmurs of agreement. Adam, 31, said the violence was “inappropriate” but echoed unionist politicians who have spoken of “legitimate concerns” over immigration. He then accused newcomers of jumping queues for housing and social welfare and imperilling Northern Ireland’s way of life. “Our health waiting lists and income supports are being affected and I worry they will spread jihad. No one wants dark ages values imposed on modern society.”

Adam’s partner said some immigrants were welcome. “I respect the Asians, they work hard and respect us. But if you’re here just taking things for free, well, what do you expect?” That people had targeted businesses that created jobs left her unmoved.

A man in his 20s joined the group to announce that the previous night about 30 Muslims with bricks and bottles had triggered the latest disturbances, but that the media had covered this up. Nods greeted the fictitious claim. “We’re a community under rage,” he said.

A short distance away Robert, 80, sat outside a pub nursing a pint of Tennent’s and a list of grievances. Muslim kids swamped his old school, rendering it unrecognisable, he said. “You’re tripping over them.”

He hoped loyalists and nationalists would make common cause against newcomers. “Both sides want them out. They should have done it years ago. The flags together, that was good, enough of this carry-on – the housing and benefits and money for nothing.”

Robert seethed at the police for “protecting” migrants and accused Muslims of rudeness. “They never say hello.” Two minutes later a woman in a hijab, walking with a man and young boy, passed on the pavement. She caught Robert’s eye, beamed and said “hello” before continuing on her way. Robert shook his head, unimpressed. “That’s the first time that’s happened to me.”

Hair salons and shops that have thus far escaped the violence around Donegall Road have remained open but employees are bracing. There are rumours of fresh disorder this week. “I don’t know what’s going to happen,” said Adam Ahmed, 34, a refugee from Sudan who was working behind a counter. “Maybe they’ll burn this place. But I’ll stay. Where else would I go?”

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Robert seethed at the police for “protecting” migrants and accused Muslims of rudeness. “They never say hello.” Two minutes later a woman in a hijab, walking with a man and young boy, passed on the pavement. She caught Robert’s eye, beamed and said “hello” before continuing on her way. Robert shook his head, unimpressed. “That’s the first time that’s happened to me.”
Well I don't hear you Roberts saying "As-salamu alaykum" either. Double standards much?

As I wrote these words, a white man wearing a suit said "As-salamu alaykum brother" before carrying on raping my daughter.
 
Hypothesise:

This becomes possible, legal, enforceable, whatever, on Monday.

How many generations back does a non-United Kingdom born ancestor trigger you to be sent back?

How many ancestors, and how far back, is required to trigger the provision? For example, is one great-grandparent enough? Two? Does two great-grandparents equal one foreign grandparent?

Is an ancestor born within the United Kingdom sufficient, or do they need to be born within a specific country of the United Kingdom? Will the English be deported from Scotland?

If the country of the ancestor was a Crown possession, or Crown dependency, at the time, does that count as foreign?

Can you be sent back even if you have no entitlement to citizenship of the country you are being sent back to? (Currently this is a violation of international law and comity, but it's an open option to decide it is worth becoming an international pariah state, this is a hypothetical situation after all)

Is it ever possible to 'become' a UK citizen with any non-UK ancestry? Again, how far back will you trace a family line? Obviously not back to medieval times.

Will DNA testing be employed to check the racial makeup of UK citizens?

What methods will be used to verify family history where birth records are untraceable in UK registers?
English fluency test + No more gibs + kick out anyone with a Palestinian flag.
 
The Police and government are starting to feel some pushback, the video of the Police asking the mob to deposit their weapons at the Mosque has become too widely circulated to be ignored, and the police announced there'll be an investigation.


Also the Today Program on Radio 4 interviewed the man who tried to stop the knife attack. I was surprised they actually broadcast it because he was pretty critical of Starmer and Cooper, I have a suspician the mood may be changing.

 
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Can Starmer crack down on the riots till the Premiership starts next weekend?
 
So what happens now? The Irish are getting their mostly peaceful protesting on, as expected, but what about the rank-and-file Brits? Are they going to do anything? Or is it finally over?

Any Britbong Kiwis who are in the know, please be careful what you post. Assume this thread is being watched by Herr Starmer and his goons. Stay safe out there.
 
If you look back on what they said in the story about the anti migrant complaining about them "never saying hello" and the brave burqua wearer proving him wrong minutes later, that's exactly what they are doing.

Let's not talk about the real issue. Rather focus on this totally real and important scenario. Muslims actually say hello, stop the riots please.
 
So what happens now? The Irish are getting their mostly peaceful protesting on, as expected, but what about the rank-and-file Brits? Are they going to do anything? Or is it finally over?
For England It's over and the rioting in the Northern Ireland right now is just teenagers having fun.
 
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