Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Vince McMahon]

Zissies are telling me that ukrops are already striking distance away from Kursk NPP (30 km). Zissies, are you winning???

 

[World in Scarlet]

Zissies are telling me that ukrops are already striking distance away from Kursk NPP (30 km)

Russian troops should leave Kursk and give the region self-governance. End the death and destruction, especially with nuclear disaster now looming.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I was pondering possible objectives for Ukrainian trip to Kursk, there's plenty of theories right now.
Then I thought what could Russian forces realistically do if Ukrainians decided to dig in. Ziggers were more than happy to level entire cities in order to claim territory whenever they met resistance in Ukraine, it's a simple and straightforward strategy. But can they afford it with their own cities?

 

[Ghostse]

Am I an absolute moron to think that Ukraine is launching this raid / limited offensive / offensive not for ground gains but to harass the Russian airforce?

Possibly. You aren't the only person of the opinion that Ukraine wants to make a AIM-120 kill over Russian territory and really make them do a risk re-evaluation - push their airsupport even further back from the front.

Russian Railway Networks Facing 'Imminent Collapse'

I'd press a large X to doubt. The bearing thing has been old news for years, so its possible but that also means anyone wanting to manufacture some cope would know about it as well. If Journoscum were still doing their job and investigating instead of just collecting "anonymous sources" and framing their own viewpoints as fact, this would have been followed up with research into Russian train activity over the past couple months to see if anything was amiss.

Even if the sound bite is real, it could very likely just be the head dude being overly dramatic.

Reports of his death were overly hasty, he is still alive, merely wounded.

Oh good. Now I can guilt free really hope it was Russian muntions that got him.

The KPR is rumored to be led by this unidentified man.

Punished Chef, a man denied his telegram account

This is where I am. Its a good PR stunt to be sure, but it'll depend on what it costs them since other than making Russia look like bitches (which is very valuable to be sure) but I don't think there's much in the way of anything strategic which is likely why it was so lightly defended. I don't even think there is anything in that direction that getting another couple dozen miles of Drone range will improve, and I don't even think there are any major rail lines to cut.

OTOH, and I don't know the terrain, but if there's a defensible line to be dug, forcing Russia to do grinding meatwaves on their own territory will be pretty kino.

 

[World in Scarlet]

I don't even think there are any major rail lines to cut.

This morning fighting occurred at the Sudzha (Суджа) railway station and troop presence was reported in the fields north of the town, on the other side of the tracks. This is one of two railways leading to the Belgorod front.




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Kursk is part of Moskovskaya, while Belgorod is part of Yugo-Vostochnaya Railroad (South-Eastern). These are subdivisions of Russian Railways company.

 

[Mikoyan]

I saw at least some humvees in the attack.
If we see some Abrams, I will be overjoyed.

Old gamers rejoice.


"See you in Moscow!"

 

[World in Scarlet]

Full video of the operation at the Sudzha checkpoint on the territory of the Kursk People's Republic, where about 50 Russian border guards and conscripts raised the white flag, laid down their arms and surrendered. The Russian command left them without support, abandoning their soldiers to their fate.

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Note how nobody was shot, prisoners were orderly sent to the rear.

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Did you know that you can drive across anti-tank mines in a civilian car?
They see them, drive over them, turn around, and drive over them again.

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Medvedev threatens attack on Ukrainian territory, SMO to no longer be contained to Russian territories!​

There is another important political and legal consequence of what happened. From this moment on, the SMO should acquire an openly extraterritorial character. It is no longer just an operation to retake our official territories and punish the Nazis. It is possible and necessary to go to the lands of the still existing Ukraine. To Odessa, to Kharkov, to Dnepropetrovsk, to Nikolaev. To Kiev and beyond. There should not be any restrictions in the sense of certain borders of the Ukrainian Reich recognized by someone. And now it is possible and necessary to speak about it openly, without shyness and diplomatic curtsies. The terrorist operation of the Banderites should remove any taboos from this topic. Let everyone, including the British bastards, realize this: we will stop only when we find it acceptable and profitable.

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Russia has never invaded the actual Ukraine, only ever tried to reclaim the regions that were formally annexed in late 2022, which Banderite Ukro-Reich time travellers occupied in 1991.
These recent escalations may lead to attacks on cities in the west or even the invasion with ground troops. Scary stuff. Anyway, what is the difference between the Russian region of Kherson and the Russian region of Kursk? Why is occupation by a foreign power of one normal, of the other an outrage?

Having severe dementia is required for citizens of the Russian World.

 

[SBG]

So what's the pro-Russia cope over Ukrainians being able to invade into Russia? None of it is real? A little invasion never hurt anyone? The Ukrainians are actually defeating themselves if they fight inside Russia?

 

[Foltest]

Russia should conquer kiev and make them into a buffer zone.

Sweet Zissies , this is the wrong thread for russian cope.

 

[World in Scarlet]

So what's the pro-Russia cope over Ukrainians being able to invade into Russia?

They're conspicuously silent on it.
The government apparently hasn't given out directives in that regard, their official tactic seems to be to change the topic to Ukrainian atrocities (zero evidence provided for any, but all the big channels repeat such claims over and over), Polish and French mercenaries, perfidious Europeans not protesting against illegal carrying of weapons by Ukrainians on Russian soil, puppet regime in former Ukraine capturing gas pipeline station to strangle Europe for satanic US schemes, etc, etc. Nothing but garbage that sidesteps the point.
Smaller channels wrote about reports by low level leaders disappearing and instead comfortable lies being reported upwards the chain of command, general complacency and abandonment of local troops by the higher ups (for example not even being supplied with food reliably).

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Vatnigger sources:

According to my information, the enemy has begun erecting fortifications [started digging trenches, dugouts, and full-profile equipment bunkers] on Russian territory in Kursk Oblast.

In particular, platoon/company strongholds for small AFU groups with 2-3 armored vehicles are being deployed near the district center of Sudzha. Ukronazi troops are located in residential buildings, where positions and temporary accommodation points for personnel are being set up.

The enemy continues to transfer BMPs, APCs, tanks and armoured vehicles, including those made in the United States, into Russian territory from adjacent territory.

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Despite attempts by the Russian joint grouping of troops to stop the advance of the Ukrainian mobile groups, the scale of the crisis is growing: unfortunately, the tactics of the Ukrainian formations, with their emphasis on speedy breakthroughs, bypassing fortified areas and maximizing the breakthrough zone without consolidation at the first stage, so far surpass the Russian army's counterattack capabilities in their simplicity.
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The biggest problem in organizing the defense in the Kursk tactical direction is still the dispersion of units and the lack of the proper number of forces, which are now allegedly being withdrawn from other directions. At the same time, Russian information resources, which are racing to write the names of brigades and divisions that are about to arrive (but still do not arrive), are adding chaos to the information space.

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Rybar carefully points to "media filled with euphoria about successes elsewhere and peace talks".

Keep in mind that every big channel either directly works for the government, or has glowniggers breathing down their neck at all times.

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Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty map:

When looking at these maps, keep in mind that there are no front lines and that reconnaissance and sabotage groups are running wild, so "shooting in village x" doesn't mean "territory up to village x controlled by AFU".

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

I still am convinced that there was no incursion toward Kursk, and the pictures show modern Russia, which is easy to confuse with a shite-hole warzone.

 

[teriyakiburns]

This morning fighting occurred at the Sudzha (Суджа) railway station and troop presence was reported in the fields north of the town, on the other side of the tracks. This is one of two railways leading to the Belgorod front.

I did wonder if they were going to try for the railway. Maybe they're also taking a wild risk to flank the incursion near Kharkiv?

 

[World in Scarlet]

I did wonder if they were going to try for the railway. Maybe they're also taking a wild risk to flank the incursion near Kharkiv?

It's a small one way track without electric lines, I wonder how significant it is. It is still 1/3 railway tracks to the Kharkiv Front/Belgorod Zone of Alienation. *shrug*
I doubt there's enough forces to flank anything. We'll see what happens.
The Americans are doubtlessly trying to use every leverage they have with everyone to collapse the operation ASAP. I hope Kirby's attempts to "get a little better understanding" are utterly stonewalled, these faggots are going to relay everything right to Moscow to show good faith or de-escalate or some shit.

 

[draggs]

Ok so from what I've read

-No these are not "Russian anti-Pootin" militias. This was initially a single corps-size attack (~25,000 AFU)
-AFU has reinforced with (small number of) additional brigades as the initial attack was successful. Total AFU force across the border is now 30,000-35,000
-AFU recon and speshul forces are significantly ahead of the main force
-AFU main attacking force has advanced to in between Malaya Loknya and Russkoe, about 6 miles north of Sudzha, about 10-12 miles from the border depending spot on the border you pick. This is about 25 miles southwest of the outskirts of Kursk
-Hohol F-16s and MiG-29s are having good success in this attack
-Russian army and air force were completely surprised and it will take at least 2-3 more days to move forces to the area sufficient to try to stop the AFU
-AFU did extensive preparations to take Russian drones and comms out the fight in this attack using EW and were entirely successful, large hohol suicide drone attacks have been the main method of softening up Russian positions and have been very successful. Russian chair force in Kursk oblast has basically ceased to be a fighting force, hohols own the skies between the border and Kursk city
-This will be cleared up no problem AFU will get destroyed or retreat soon as the Russian reinforcements show up is massive vatnigger cope

 

[Ghostse]

This morning fighting occurred at the Sudzha (Суджа) railway station and troop presence was reported in the fields north of the town, on the other side of the tracks. This is one of two railways leading to the Belgorod front.
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link to railroad maps
Kursk is part of Moskovskaya, while Belgorod is part of Yugo-Vostochnaya Railroad (South-Eastern). These are subdivisions of Russian Railways company.

I guess I should rephrase:
I don't think there are rail lines to cut that would have a significant effect on supply to the south/front areas as the bottle necks are their main rail depots. Any rail line shut down will fuck with Russia's economy and require rerouting, but its not like if they could cut the rail line at Svatove which would push the Russian theater railhub back tens of miles and require any southbound trains to reroute through local tracks.

I'm not a Soviet Rail sperg so I might very well be wrong, but my reading of the maps was no real war materiel deliveries would be affected by the Kursk push unless they did some off-the-wall shit like took over the entire oblast.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I think considering how well things are going Ukraine is going to throw some better money after the Good. They just need to be careful not to.over extend. Capturing some important towns and digging will really put a fly in the ointment. May even scupper the idea of peace talks that have been floating lately.

 

[World in Scarlet]

This was initially a single corps-size attack (~25,000 AFU)

Nobody knows these things.
The Ukrainian government says nothing and Ukrainian reporters with contacts in the military said they will remain silent for the duration.
The Russian MoD said 1,000 troops.
Educated guesses by OSINT people were a couple hundred initially, then reinforcements went in.
There's probably not more than a few (1-4) thousand offensive-capable Ukrainian soldiers in the general region, some more TDF, as far as anyone can tell. How many are in Russia, nobody knows.

-Hohol F-16s and MiG-29s are having good success in this attack

I've seen no evidence of Ukrainian aviation beyond helicopters. Ukrainian air defenses like that shoot-and-scoot Patriot they had going on for a while would be more interesting.

 

[Seethan Ralph]

Kursk Oblast for Zaporozhia + Mariupol?

Also yes, 25 000 troops is a huge overestimate.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Armchair Copelord comes out SWINGING

 

[Seethan Ralph]

POOTIN WILL TOTALLY DESTROY PIGGERS NOW TRUST ME BRO t. some retard

with what zissies already spent, with amount of soldiers sent, amount of drones and rockets shot, what else can he do except literally nuking Kharkiv (and getting rekt)? What is a difference between a special military operation and a war?