GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

['Ole Dente]

I got a question. I built my first computer and I’m having an issue, maybe this isn’t the place for it but whatever I’ll try anyway.

I have this GPU, it’s a Asus RTX 3060, I bought it used from a friend, I know he wasn’t using it to mine and this thing is hot as fuck under full load. Like 90, easy. I’ve undervolted it, I’ve repasted it, my cooling situation is fine, I have no idea why it’s this goddamn hot and frankly it scares me a bit that I’m going to fry my expensive thing.

Am I just bugging out over nothing or am I dealing with a situation?

 

[4090 Chad]

I got a question. I built my first computer and I’m having an issue, maybe this isn’t the place for it but whatever I’ll try anyway.

I have this GPU, it’s a Asus RTX 3060, I bought it used from a friend, I know he wasn’t using it to mine and this thing is hot as fuck under full load. Like 90, easy. I’ve undervolted it, I’ve repasted it, my cooling situation is fine, I have no idea why it’s this goddamn hot and frankly it scares me a bit that I’m going to fry my expensive thing.

Am I just bugging out over nothing or am I dealing with a situation?

Sounds like you need to put fresh thermal paste and pads on it. Doing so should help the temps out a lot.

Edit:
I'm retarded and didn't see you already repasted. I would still check to make sure after repasting that the heatsink was properly reseated on the GPU die, also changing the thermal pads on the memory would also be good.

 

[Susanna]

Sounds like you need to put fresh thermal paste and pads on it. Doing so should help the temps out a lot.

I’ve repasted it

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

I’ve repasted it

Was it fine before? Is the thermal paste shit? I don't think mid range cards are supposed to run that hot

 

[Road Work Ahead]

I got a question. I built my first computer and I’m having an issue, maybe this isn’t the place for it but whatever I’ll try anyway.

I have this GPU, it’s a Asus RTX 3060, I bought it used from a friend, I know he wasn’t using it to mine and this thing is hot as fuck under full load. Like 90, easy. I’ve undervolted it, I’ve repasted it, my cooling situation is fine, I have no idea why it’s this goddamn hot and frankly it scares me a bit that I’m going to fry my expensive thing.

Am I just bugging out over nothing or am I dealing with a situation?

What temperature reading are you looking at? If it's the GPU hotspot, 90 is fine.

 

[AmpleApricots]

But if the stuff she needs doesn't have an OSX version, forget it.

It's some really grandfathered and custom thing that scientists, which are known as the worst programmers, worked on. They just recently removed their little "Win7 compatible" logo. That codebase probably started somewhen in the 9x days, judging by the UI. So no, no Mac version. It actually looks like one of these programs that Linux' wine might handle suprisingly gracefully until introducing random and subtle bugs in weird places because it lacks some undocumented or extremely rarely used functions, that's why I don't even try it.

Of course, a fourth option could also be getting the Macbook as general computing machine and leaving the old Zen as is as work machine. Will consult with her on that.
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The CPU swap seems really attractive though, especially with the 5700x3d price tag. I could fit an extra 32 gigs of sufficently fast DDR4 RAM in there (complete overkill for both her and me) and still be cheaper than the 5800x3d.

Thanks for the feedback!

 

[The Ugly One]

I got a question. I built my first computer and I’m having an issue, maybe this isn’t the place for it but whatever I’ll try anyway.

I have this GPU, it’s a Asus RTX 3060, I bought it used from a friend, I know he wasn’t using it to mine and this thing is hot as fuck under full load. Like 90, easy. I’ve undervolted it, I’ve repasted it, my cooling situation is fine, I have no idea why it’s this goddamn hot and frankly it scares me a bit that I’m going to fry my expensive thing.

Am I just bugging out over nothing or am I dealing with a situation?

85C is normal operating temperature for this card. The latest generations of GPUs run hot as balls so you can brag about how raytracing makes shadows look somewhat different. If you want it to run cooler, knock down settings so it's not at 100% utilization. One thing I've taken to doing is capping FPS...there are a couple games where this thing would blaze up to pointlessly high framerates and turn into an oven, while capping it at 90 fps restored sanity.

 

[Fcret]

I got a question. I built my first computer and I’m having an issue, maybe this isn’t the place for it but whatever I’ll try anyway.

I have this GPU, it’s a Asus RTX 3060, I bought it used from a friend, I know he wasn’t using it to mine and this thing is hot as fuck under full load. Like 90, easy. I’ve undervolted it, I’ve repasted it, my cooling situation is fine, I have no idea why it’s this goddamn hot and frankly it scares me a bit that I’m going to fry my expensive thing.

Am I just bugging out over nothing or am I dealing with a situation?

90 degrees C is fine under load. Check some benchmarks and make sure your card is performing within expected spec to rule out thermal throttling, but otherwise you're probably fine. If the temperature ever gets to dangerous levels, the card will shut itself off.

 

[Shao Khan]

whats the deal with the hardware unboxed faggots. i have been spammed the last 3 days with videos about how amd is the second comming of fucking hitler. whats the deal with the new cpus?

 

[Betonhaus]

whats the deal with the hardware unboxed faggots. i have been spammed the last 3 days with videos about how amd is the second comming of fucking hitler. whats the deal with the new cpus?

Cope and Sneed. They can't accept that their god Intel is flawed

 

[Fcret]

whats the deal with the hardware unboxed faggots. i have been spammed the last 3 days with videos about how amd is the second comming of fucking hitler. whats the deal with the new cpus?

The first two Zen 5 CPUs released were the lower SKUs. The 9700X doesn't perform much better than its predecessor in standard multicore workloads on Windows due to much lower power budget. So these CPUs are slammed by gamers for not really being a meaningful improvement over last gen for their use case. And normally this would be the end of the story - the first Zen 5 CPUs are underwhelming.

But then the Linux and general workstation reviewer guys came in and pointed out that Zen 5 actually has a ton of improvements for production workloads, runs quite efficiently, and doesn't seem to have the same lackluster performance on Linux as it does on Windows (???).

So now people are asking openly, "Well maybe the reviews by the gaming channels were wrong or maybe there's configuration problems or something, because results are inconsistent." For most of the gaming channels, it's whatever because launch weirdness in PC tech isn't all that unusual. They'll just retest and get more info as stuff comes out. For hardware unboxed, this disagreement with the audience and other reviewers seems to have triggered some kind of latent youtube personality disorder and now he has to climb the walls and screech about how 'AMD fanboys' are 'gaslighting everyone.'

 

[ZMOT]

i have been spammed the last 3 days with videos about how amd is the second comming of fucking hitler.

with current year clown world that sounds great tho.

 

[Overly Serious]

whats the deal with the hardware unboxed faggots. i have been spammed the last 3 days with videos about how amd is the second comming of fucking hitler. whats the deal with the new cpus?

AMD prioritised efficiency over performance gains so you now see improvements of <5% and <10% but using about 60% of the power. More gamer focused reviewers and commenters are jumping up and down because they think AMD should have done an Intel and kept power consumption high to increase gains. There may also be some poor low-level scheduling implementation in Windows as Linux benchmarks show some nicer gains.

This is also compounded by AMD having some last minute problems and only releasing the low-end chips so far meaning the power-thirsty commenters are stuck with the low-end. They also keep comparing Apples with Oranges by saying how the new chips aren't any better than the previous gen X3D chips (the ones with the 3D cache), when the new X3D chips are still yet to be released.

youtube personality disorder

This needs to be in the next edition of the DSM, stat.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

Cope and Sneed. They can't accept that their god Intel is flawed

They get accused of being AMD fanboys every other review

 

[Shao Khan]

But then the Linux and general workstation reviewer guys came in and pointed out that Zen 5 actually has a ton of improvements for production workloads, runs quite efficiently, and doesn't seem to have the same lackluster performance on Linux as it does on Windows (???).

whats the price over the last chips? if their performance is the same using less power seems like a nice deal to me

 

[The Ugly One]

AMD prioritised efficiency over performance gains so you now see improvements of <5% and <10% but using about 60% of the power. More gamer focused reviewers and commenters are jumping up and down because they think AMD should have done an Intel and kept power consumption high to increase gains. There may also be some poor low-level scheduling implementation in Windows as Linux benchmarks show some nicer gains.

Gamers don't realize they aren't top of mind when anybody designs a CPU. Getting the soyface vid is good for brand cachet, but it's a publicity stunt, and foundational design decisions aren't made for publicity stunts. Everybody in the design loop on next-gen CPUs knows that the market demand for running games at 340 fps is zero. The cohort of people who buy a new top-of-the-line CPU every year so they can run games at low settings and 200+ fps consists entirely of Youtubers. If you have a 90 Hz monitor or don't run your games at low settings to max out your frame rate, this is the difference a new CPU can make for you:

This is also compounded by AMD having some last minute problems and only releasing the low-end chips so far meaning the power-thirsty commenters are stuck with the low-end. They also keep comparing Apples with Oranges by saying how the new chips aren't any better than the previous gen X3D chips (the ones with the 3D cache), when the new X3D chips are still yet to be released.

Middle to low-end chips also aren't the focus of gaming reviews. This is because once you get into the chips that make up the bulk of shipments, there's a wide spectrum of performance. A Ryzen 7 7700 wasn't that much faster than a Ryzen 7 5800X, for example. You didn't hear much bleating about that because the Ryzen 9s delivered the kind of benchmark numbers that made for good videos. So this is the first time that all there is to talk about is at the lower end of the spectrum.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT, RX 6750 XT, and RX 6700 XT GPU faceoff: Battle of the current and previous gen 12GB graphics cards

AMD prioritised efficiency over performance gains so you now see improvements of <5% and <10% but using about 60% of the power. More gamer focused reviewers and commenters are jumping up and down because they think AMD should have done an Intel and kept power consumption high to increase gains. There may also be some poor low-level scheduling implementation in Windows as Linux benchmarks show some nicer gains.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/gpus-cpus-enthusiast-hardware-questions-discussion-and-fanboy-slap-fights.63185/post-19050822

There's too much weird stuff surrounding the launch to lay the blame solely on dumb reviewers or gaymer fanboys. You can find unflattering comparisons to the previous Ryzen 7 7700 eliminating the alleged perf/efficiency gains. Could be Windows problems, BIOS, memory, whatever. There's always some variations among reviews, and that is more likely to cancel out smaller gains. But AMD claimed a substantial +16% average IPC uplift, more than Zen 2 or Zen 4, and if people aren't feeling that, something is wrong.

It's not unusual for AMD to release 65W CPUs, but putting the 'X' in the name and releasing it first instead of a higher TDP model was a mistake. These are arbitrary, possibly unreasonable things, but they set expectations.

Gamers don't realize they aren't top of mind when anybody designs a CPU.

It's a gaming/consumer CPU. It uses the same chiplets as Epyc, but they can set it at 105W out of the box, hand reviewers DDR5-6400 kits and tell them to use it, etc. Lackluster results were found in both gaming and productivity applications. There may be problems on Windows. I would not be surprised if a patch drops and improves everyone's performance by 5-10%.

So this is the first time that all there is to talk about is at the lower end of the spectrum.

That wouldn't have happened if AMD hadn't shifted the launch from its original July target, launching the 170W 9950X at the same time as the 9700X. Although similar conclusions would have been reached about a 65W 9700X, the 9950X would have provided some cover. AMD is making mistakes for no good reason, other than the quality/validation issues that led to the launch delays.

 

[The Ugly One]

But AMD claimed a substantial +16% average IPC uplift,

In TH's benchmarks, it ranges from 5%-22% across like-for-like (i.e. comparing 7700X to 9700X). No lie here (beyond the usual marketing trick of cherry-picking your test suite to get the average you want, which everyone does for every product).

It's a gaming/consumer CPU. It uses the same chiplets as Epyc, but they can set it at 105W out of the box, hand reviewers DDR5-6400 kits and tell them to use it, etc. Lackluster results were found in both gaming and productivity applications. There may be problems on Windows. I would not be surprised if a patch drops and improves everyone's performance by 5-10%.

The people who build PCs from scratch based on recommendations from GN, TH, etc, are a vanishingly small percentage of the market. These companies do not make billion-dollar engineering decisions with 1-2% of the market in mind. They do care about the brand image impact of the gaming reviews, but not enough to change chip design around that. OEMs are a huge chunk of revenue, by contrast, and AMD has been pushing hard in recent years to try to dislodge Intel from their favored OEM position. So if you want a reasonable guess as to why the 9700X's TDP is so low compared to the 7700X, try to figure out why HPE, Lenovo, and Dell would care, not why Computer Jesus would care.

 

[#lurker]

I have this GPU, it’s a Asus RTX 3060, I bought it used from a friend, I know he wasn’t using it to mine and this thing is hot as fuck under full load. Like 90, easy. I’ve undervolted it, I’ve repasted it, my cooling situation is fine, I have no idea why it’s this goddamn hot and frankly it scares me a bit that I’m going to fry my expensive thing.

Did you verify temperatures before you repasted it? You may have actually made it worse.
Does your case have good airflow?
Have you tried fiddling with case and GPU fans?
What are your GPU AND GPU hotspot temps? Run a benchmark with HWiNFO open and show us a screenshot.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

running games at 340 fps is zero

LOL I remember the time when a card got 30fps in Crysis, it was good.