Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[John Badman]

Your Russian siblings are coping heavily in the other thread crying about war crimes and baby murder. Keep doing whatever it is you’re doing.

 

[74164978231]

I think that's a drone-excluder flap. I have seen videos of FPVs flying up through the gaps in the cope-cage. Those would be cheap and to heavy for a drone to "push".

Pretty sure its cheap easy to replace panel that is flexible meant to cause the RPGs drones carry to detonate a foot or two away from the surface of the tank. iirc even such a small stand off distance greatly reduces the effectiveness of a shaped charge warhead.

 

[World in Scarlet]

in the 'Oblast' or whatever it is called

An oblast is a type of Russian federal subject, something like a US "state". This one is Kursk.

I don't understand why these particular soldiers are held to such high regard.

Russia has a conscription and twice a year young people are called up to do military service for a year. These soldiers are mostly kids right out of school that are drawn from all across society, and there's broad social discomfort with them being put at risk. In 2022 some of them took part in the invasion of Ukraine and died and Putin had to go on TV and calm people by saying he will personally make sure that none of them are ever used in the conflict again. Why they were deployed right at the frontlines of a war zone? That question will never be allowed to be asked or discussed in public.

The overwhelming majority of the Russian army are volunteers, which is part of the reason nobody in Russia cares that they're dying by the hundreds of thousands. They sign to be slaughtered like animals because the army pays a one time bonus of like a years worth of income up front and then like 6-8 times the median monthly wage for the lowest tier jobs, more for more qualified ones. The meat price has more than doubled since they started doing this, and they are burning through saving accumulated over the course of the last 20 years to finance this (originally intended to pay for infrastructure and invest in the Russian economy, but whatever).
There's also volunteers from prisons, those are especially interesting. IIRC there've been two high profile child murders by violent criminals who were released after serving their military time this year. Part of the bonus for them was a complete erasure of their criminal record, including for murderers and serial rapists. Tens of thousands of such heroes have been released back into society so far.

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- Do you have any up-to-date information about what is happening in Sudzha now? - A woman waiting for her turn to be interviewed asks: "A relative from Zaporizhzhya wrote to me - she says that their TV is already telling me that Ukrainian flags are flying over Sudzha .

- They wrote to you from Ukraine? - I ask in surprise.

- Well, yes. Our whole family was scattered like that.... My mother lives near Melitopol, my uncle in Pavlograd, one aunt in Dnepropetrovsk, another in Odessa. And my husband's sister is from Sudzha, but she lives in the Hohol part of Zaporozhye. She went there in the Soviet times on assignment, then her children were born - in general, she stayed. That's why I was so happy when our soldiers were attacking Zaporozhye - I thought that their city would be annexed and the whole family would be united. But we didn't have time, it didn't work out. Only my mother lives in Russia now. I prayed to God: "Lord, if only ours would cut off this territory where my mother is. And I thought that God heard my prayers. And now we don't know what will happen tomorrow, as if we don't have to flee from here. My mother calls me on the second day, calling me to go to them near Melitopol. But where is the guarantee that the Hohols will not rush there?

- What else do your relatives from Ukraine tell you?

- My aunt from Dnepropetrovsk has disowned us. After 2014, we were still friends, but in 2022 she immediately started: "You are fascists, you are invaders!" I explained to her: "Well Masha, what does that have to do with it, we are a family..." But she stopped communicating with us. In general, her husband is a Banderite from Western Ukraine - he must have brainwashed her.

Scratch an ordinary Russian and a vatnigger bleeds.

- I think we have neither Zhukov nor Rokossovsky in the Ministry of Defense. It turned out that we only have crazy corruption there. Now they are putting generals in jail one after another, and ordinary people are watching and thinking: "Were you going to win the war with such people?". Well, this is not a toy, not a tank biathlon! Ordinary people are very perplexed. In 2022 we had such a sincere rise of patriotism. Everything for the front, everything for victory - people were weaving nets and doing anything else. And then they saw that everything was not going the way it should. And they began to think - who made these plans in the first place? Maybe we shouldn't have thrown the guys at Kiev right away. Maybe we should have liberated Donbass first? And why did the Khokhls spend ten years preparing, while we spent ten years negotiating with Westerners? They showed their face at the Olympics - satanists and faggots. Why complain now that they cheated us? Ordinary people watch and don't understand how they could believe such people.

And we also don't understand why they don't tell us the truth. The enemy has entered our territory, and on TV they say: "It's an emergency." What an emergency, when foreign tanks are on our land! It's already a war!

She's getting angry, speaking louder and sharper. I begin to worry seriously, as if this frankness would not come to her disadvantage. After waiting for a pause, I nod meaningfully at the Investigative Committee officers sitting next to me:

- It's better to keep quiet here to talk about such things....

The woman looks at me in surprise:

- Are they any different people? They have the same thoughts in their heads, I'm sure. Because everybody has the same thoughts in their head now.

Incredible idiocy, this cattle needs another Stalin to weed out such dysgenics. Truly no brain in their head at all. A bullet would improve the intellectual function.
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[mindlessobserver]

Are you this retarded? It's only ok when we do it. But i guess your soy/reddit filled brain can't cromprehend this. Cope and seethe NAFO tranny.
Kyiv will be burned to the ground and there's nothing you can do about it.

It is extremely unlikely that Russian soldiers will be in sight of Kiev again.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

An oblast is a type of Russian federal subject, something like a US "state". This one is Kursk.

It is more complicated.

Russia's territorial division is a burning dumpster.

The Federation is divided into the following levels of entities:

1. Federal Districts - 8, this is the highest level of division. Nobody uses it in everyday life.

2. Oblasts (over 40), republics (a dozen or so), krais (several), Jewish Autonomus Oblast (there is not a single Jew there and this area has nothing in common with Jews), federal cities - this level includes several types of entities. Krais and oblasts are roughly the same, republics and JAO in theory have autonomy (in practice, not always, but individual republics have different forms of autonomy).

3. Raions, selsowiets, cities, closed cities, towns and others - the equivalent of counties/parishes in the United States, i.e. such local territorial units.

There's also volunteers from prisons, those are especially interesting. IIRC there've been two high profile child murders by violent criminals who were released after serving their military time this year. Part of the bonus for them was a complete erasure of their criminal record, including for murderers and serial rapists. Tens of thousands of such heroes have been released back into society so far.

They are even invited to schools to talk to children.

Yes, those previously convicted of pedophilia too. Just imagine: a released pedo have a talk in a school in Flydefecatesburg.

 

[Quindoll]

It's not an immense number but 5% is a lot of economy and people being cold is bad for elections

Well. Gas consumption, at least for electricity, is down to a significant degree and whichever increase there may be in the future will be for newly installed heat pumps or electric vehicles, which further replaces gas and oil in the overall economy.

 

[NKVD qt]

Are you this retarded? It's only ok when we do it. But i guess your soy/reddit filled brain can't cromprehend this. Cope and seethe NAFO tranny.
Kyiv will be burned to the ground and there's nothing you can do about it.

This is pure cope even if the Russians were able to take Kyiv which is pure fantasy, wtf would they have to gain from burning it down. I get you don't like the way things in the west are going hell I probably agree with most of your complaints. But stop inventing wank fiction about "le based ruzzians" it makes you look like a pathetic low iq Nigger Faggot.

 

[Corette]

I wonder if Russian conscript POWs from Kursk direction are subject to same laws and punishments considering surrendering as troops in Ukraine?

 

[mofu mofo]

Apologies if this has been posted before:

 

[MG-34]

I wonder if Russian conscript POWs from Kursk direction are subject to same laws and punishments considering surrendering as troops in Ukraine?

Realistically the Russian authorities will let it slide because these conscripts are likely from the Russian middle class where it might cause an uproar to deal the same punishments they hand out the Yakult/Buryat and Dagestani niggers.

 

[Azure05]

This is pure cope even if the Russians were able to take Kyiv which is pure fantasy, wtf would they have to gain from burning it down. I get you don't like the way things in the west are going hell I probably agree with most of your complaints. But stop inventing wank fiction about "le based ruzzians" it makes you look like a pathetic low iq Nigger Faggot.

Missed the obvious sarcasm award

 

[Dawdler]

Generally, the change in gas prices is more noticeable for the German industry, but it does not cause any HURR DURR economic crash, it only slightly reduced the profits of large consumer chemical concerns (this is important) such as BASF

Well high gas prices 200€/MWh wiped out all fertilizer production in europe. Fertilizer demands cheap gas, it's really energy intensive.Many companies have their own gas and steam turbines, with no such flows they are forced to buy from grid, straining everything.

Additionally, gas transmission networks in the EU are interconnected, and if necessary, gas can be pumped from one country to another.

They are, but they aren't infinite and if you saw the flows, they are sized for taking gas from ru.

The biggest problem with the lack of Russian raw materials are Hungarian refineries - small, old, producing mainly for the needs of the MOL corporation, but... these are Hungary's problems. And Hungary doesn't support Ukraine anyway.

Many EU refineries used oil blend from opec which is saudi light + russian crude. The mix produced a lot of diesel and motor oil and running on and other import changes the profit margins immensely. Refineries were built with heavy oil in mind and as such operate inefficiently with light oils.

Part of the bonus for them was a complete erasure of their criminal record, including for murderers and serial rapists. Tens of thousands of such heroes have been released back into society so far.

If I recall, there were convicts back to murdering and raping after they got all-clear from the front.

 

[World in Scarlet]

It is more complicated.

Yeah, but it doesn't really matter for the purposes of this conversation.

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If I recall, there were convicts back to murdering and raping after they got all-clear from the front.

Yeah, some just volunteer again. I think one of the child murderers was swiftly beaten to death in his holding cell (even though he was under special surveillance to prevent that exact thing from happening), so that is not an option for him.

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Russian volunteers should work harder - there is a catastrophic shortage of black bags for the corpses of liquidated servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces at the front. They have to wrap duct tape around Chinese bags and send the bodies home in this way.​

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And they waste them anyway.​

"Brave" Russians on the Kherson direction were collecting the bodies of their liquidated coworkers. When they noticed the Ukrainian reconnaissance drone, they started to run away: most likely they realized that very soon artillery or FPV will work on them. They were so frightened that they started throwing out the bodies in black bags right on the road.

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They don't only do this with dead ones either.​

Zaporozhye direction.

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122-mm D-30 howitzers of Russian artillerymen with a homemade anti-drone shell, reinforced with DZ Kontakt-1", on the Southern Borders.​

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T-90M with rubber blankets.​

These used to be weighed chains, I don't know what was wrong with those. Surely it's not the price, saving a hundred dollar on a five million dollar vehicle?

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I don't remember whether the T-90M weakspot wasn't covered by chains or whether the tanks that were lost to it didn't have chains.

(For those who don't know, an FPV drone to the back of the turret of a T-90M leads to an explosion of the ammunition with crew loss.)

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Russian servicemen cut off the roof of the MT-LB to increase the space for transportation of infantry and wounded. However, now this structure will not be able to protect the living force from bullets and shrapnel.​

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A beautiful turtle BMP.​

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T-72 tank chassis with an RBU-6000 Smerch-2.​

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(misidentified in the video)

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Video from Russian soldiers driving an ATV / buggy with counter-FPV screens in the Ocheretyne area showing soldiers using bicycles, and destroyed vehicles.​

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There is no cover from drones even inside buildings.​

Pilots of the GRYPON501 unit sent to the afterlife ordinary Muscovites , for which the so-called SMO has ended.

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Motorbike graveyard.​

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Impressive BMP detonation.​

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Impressive turtle tank detonation.​

They're not as FPV-proof as they look.

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Bakhmut, Donetsk region.
Russian UAV operator command post.
(Discord is used to broadcast video from drones.)

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Almost forgot: A destroyed HMMWV pickup truck with a roof over the back.​

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[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Kursk city itself is going boom atm:

 

[Snekposter]

 

[World in Scarlet]

The KA-52 with the double set of blades is pretty cool looking though!

The design is a bit shaky though.

No tail rotor is an advantage in a drone-rich environment, but no protection against MANPADS.

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Kursk city itself is going boom atm:

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Governor of the Muscovite Occupied Government confirms that the Mosque Regime began terror bombing the capital of the Kursk People's Republic!​

Today, a downed Ukrainian missile fell on a residential building in the city of Kursk. A fire broke out. All emergency services were dispatched to the scene.

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They mock the citizens of the KPR !​

️Moments of shooting down air targets over the area.

The air defense works great!

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Edit: In that article from yesterday, they said that the air raid alarm is going off all the time. Well, if you watch videos of this, you notice the absence of any sirens. I guess they turned it off so people can sleep in peace.
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There is no reflection whatsoever in Russian blogs on what was done to Ukrainians for the last 2.5 years, let alone the wisdom of intercepting missiles over residential areas. Instead, deliberate strikes on civilian areas in Ukrainian cities are demanded in response. Something that according to Western vatniggers is never ever done, but is openly asked for and received by normal Russians as a matter of course.

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THROUGH UKRAINE -
TO CIVILIZATION!

IN SUDZHA -
YOUTUBE AND COCA COLA!

 

[Thomas Talus]

It feels poetic to note that Kursk was the name of that submarine that went down with all hands aboard.

 

[thx1138]

It feels poetic to note that Kursk was the name of that submarine that went down with all hands aboard.

It was also the last stand of the (actual) Nazis in the USSR. The Wehrmacht amassed much of their armor for a single thrust into the Kursk salient to try and break the back of the USSR's military. With intel assistance from the West through Enigma intercepts and their own recon, the Russians were ready with a defense in depth and turned the whole thing into a counteroffensive, breaking the back of the German military and starting the route that would end in Berlin.

Watching the Russians lose big here would be delicious irony, especially given the extermination tactics, the "historically, this country has always been part of our country" attitude towards Ukraine, and on and on.

 

[Optimus Prime]

It was also the last stand of the (actual) Nazis in the USSR. The Wehrmacht amassed much of their armor for a single thrust into the Kursk salient to try and break the back of the USSR's military. With intel assistance from the West through Enigma intercepts and their own recon, the Russians were ready with a defense in depth and turned the whole thing into a counteroffensive, breaking the back of the German military and starting the route that would end in Berlin.

Watching the Russians lose big here would be delicious irony, especially given the extermination tactics, the "historically, this country has always been part of our country" attitude towards Ukraine, and on and on.

It also didn't help that shit was going down elsewhere and Hitler panicked, basically castrating the reinforcements that were supposed to be for Kursk.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Nigger Faggot.

snownigga

Well high gas prices 200€/MWh

And when price was so high and for how long?

Many companies have their own gas and steam turbines, with no such flows they are forced to buy from grid, straining everything.

And which company independent from EuroChem have stopped production?

They are, but they aren't infinite and if you saw the flows, they are sized for taking gas from ru.

The EU imports most of its gas from completely different directions than Russia, and has been increasing imports from outside Russia for years (since last year - over 90% of imports come from directions other than Russia). The withdrawal from Russian gas itself did not start because of either the war of 2022 or the war of 2014, but was a simple business change (it is better to spend billions in Norway, which is linked to the EU, than in competitive Russia). The most important part of this puzzle are gas terminals in seaports. This entire network of European pipes is mainly used to pump gas imported through ports and from Norwegian deposits (Norway supplies over 30% of imports) further into the continent.

It's not like pumping from Germany or Poland to the Czech Republic, Slovakia or Hungary would be an emergency. It would be a predicted situation for which the infrastructure is ready. Which is largely what it was designed for! The only thing missing was the political will of Hungary and partly of Austria.

As for oil, there was a bigger problem, but not because Russian oil was the only option, but rather because of technological reasons (as you rightly noticed, the refineries in EE were focused on processing Ural oil).

Do you know what the biggest problem was in practice? With Russian hard coal. And you'll never guess who imported it the most and was almost addicted to it. It was... Poland! Theoretically, a large coal producer, the problem is that Polish hard coal is low-efficiency, and there is no point in burning it without mixing it with high-calorie coal. Small thermal power plants are small, often old and quite simple installations that need coal with some specific calorific value.

And for decades, Poles have been basing their energy and heating production on hard coal (many people work in mining), but before putting locally mined coal into power plants, they had to mix it with higher quality coal. And they took this one from Russia. Smart, base your energy on coal, which yes, you have, but to burn it you have to mix it with other coal...

In a sense, the issue of Polish coal is a fucking aberration in the EU. Why is Fit-for-55 so confusing and messy? Because Poles were hysterical about coal. Why did Polish diplomacy, normally limited to doing nothing, suddenly become batshit crazy when the war broke out? Because coal. Finally, they bought coal from Colombia, mixed it with domestic coal, drank some moonshine and calmed down.

tl;dr

no one in the EU froze in 2022, did not freeze in 2023, will not freeze in 2024 or 2025. The production of fertilizers is the most at risk, they can be imported. It's difficult. European agriculture has autism anyway, if they get more fertilizer subsidies we won't even feel it, the EU is literally sinking billions into agriculture because it's agriculture so another dozen or so billion one way or the other...