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I haven't done all of them yet, but it's a case of "I see what they're trying to do," just told in the worst way possible. They're trying to use them to flesh out Tural, but they're just not good.
It makes me dread trying to finish out the fishing questline. The moment I spotted the blue mage even before the cutscene started, my initial reaction was "Finally, they're going to acknowledge that the Whalaqee and blue mages actually exist" and obviously this guy needs fish to learn spells from. OK, so it's going to be catch and let that puppy loose to let him observe how its spell is cast and...he's going to eat the whole thing. Really? Do the writers really not know their own lore? Was there no one there to bring the hammer down with "No, they don't learn spells that way and if you keep forgetting we'll make you play the entire blue mage questline until you start remembering." I thought CBU3 had a loremaster, but apparently not.

And I'm still salty we learned nothing about the Whalaqee even in Shaaloani side quests. But I should probably be grateful, since even the side quests failed to adequately flesh out the world the way they have in previous expacs.

I wonder how much of it is because the JP forums are allegedly seething about Troon Tiger as well. And they don't even have the excuse to hide behind the tranny hate since Wuk is voiced by a relatively well known female seiyuu there.
One of the first comments on the Japanese side complaining about WL put things in an interesting perspective for me. My moonrune knowledge is a bit rusty so I had to use machine translation, but from what it looked like the commenter strongly disliked her from the start for addressing the WoL informally right off the bat. (Something to the effect of "I hated the way she referred to me as 'you'"which I take to mean she was using "anata", a word you definitely don't use for someone you just met) Japan is still has a strong formal culture so it's not terribly surprising but it made something click for me.

WL is informal to the point of being rude, but together with her other traits of being loud, obnoxious, full of bravado, taking charge without any idea of what she's getting into, her sheltered ignorance that she only "corrects" by learning the surface trappings of each culture she encounters, her whole "I'm not scared/sick!" act, having a huge hero complex, she's a particular type of character. The official forum mostly opines that she's a archetypical shonen hero, but that's not quite right. All these traits are the Japanese stereotype of a typical American, in particular an American of Japanese Ancestry. It seems odd to me that they would use such a potentially offensive stereotype, so I can only think it's an especially clumsy attempt at pandering. (The fact that I suspect her name is a lame pun based on Ookla the Mok, a lionman character from a Conan knockoff cartoon "Thundarr the Barbarian" leads me to believe it's pandering)
 
WL is informal to the point of being rude, but together with her other traits of being loud, obnoxious, full of bravado, taking charge without any idea of what she's getting into, her sheltered ignorance that she only "corrects" by learning the surface trappings of each culture she encounters, her whole "I'm not scared/sick!" act, having a huge hero complex, she's a particular type of character. The official forum mostly opines that she's a archetypical shonen hero, but that's not quite right.
And here I was thinking you were describing Niggers. Turns out it's just Wuk Lamat.
 
And here I was thinking you were describing Niggers. Turns out it's just Wuk Lamat.
As it turns out, nobody likes niggers and making a nigger the main character of your money printing machine was perhaps not the wisest of moves no matter what your DEI grifter "consulting" said.
 
2 more M1S lockouts this weekend and I'm about to just call it quits on PF and find a static for next tier. I have seen enrage so many times, checked the logs:
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everyone is trash (I'm the WAR). I quite literally can't do anything more. These are my last 3 enrages in a "clear" party. I'm losing it.
 
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One of the first comments on the Japanese side complaining about WL put things in an interesting perspective for me. My moonrune knowledge is a bit rusty so I had to use machine translation, but from what it looked like the commenter strongly disliked her from the start for addressing the WoL informally right off the bat. (Something to the effect of "I hated the way she referred to me as 'you'"which I take to mean she was using "anata", a word you definitely don't use for someone you just met) Japan is still has a strong formal culture so it's not terribly surprising but it made something click for me.
I'm trying to get better with my moon runes, and yeah, a quick cutscene search and I get that impression immediately. I can only pick out bits though.

It feels like an english person wrote Wuk Lamat, and then she got localized into japanese. In the sense that in English, speaking in a casual manner is often seen as friendly, so the mannerisms would make sense in English. But in Japanese, immediately using words like "anata" and informal sentence enders like "da" rather than "desu" can be quite respectful when talking about a heirarchical imbalance. And considering Wuk Lamat knows the WOL as the person who saved the whole fucking universe and is asking for their help, well, the heirarchy puts the WOL character in the higher position. So I think it comes across as basically not respecting the authority or status of the player character who definitely has earned more than a little bit of reputation by now.
 
Other than Wuk the most irritating thing about the early story was how Erenville kept telling me multiple times that I could in fact say no to Wuk and do something else but Kate says no you gotta love her fursona.
My favorite part about Erenville is how he did absolutely fucking nothing the entire story yet was given a main character role that could've gone to literally anybody else who'd actually be in any way useful. The guy can't even fight, why is he even with us? Genuinely do not understand the appeal of this useless fucking rabbit, he's the most worthless, overrated character in the entire game.
 
I don't mind Erenville, we needed a local to lore dump shit as we go around. Ideally that would have been Wuk's role but she's busy eating glue and crayons. Dawntrail should have been the WoL going on vacation with Erenville as a tour guide, where we go around the zones solving problems like the friendly neighborhood adventurer, then when we go try to visit his mum the Alexandria plot kicks off.

I probably like him more for the simple fact he ain't fucking Wuk Lmao.
 
I still maintain that our little buddy cop episode with Erenville in America Zone was the best part of the expansion. No high stakes, no deeper message. Just simple going out and helping the locals while passing by. It was great.

Even though Erenville isn't a fighter, it's nice to see someone who isn't a combatant use his wits and knowledge of the land and animals for various situations. It proves that you don't have to be a God killing fighter to make it. Sometimes, you just need to use your brain.
 
It's incredible that nobody noticed how annoying it is when 80% of the quest objectives are
>Speak to Wuk Lamat
and
>Speak with Wuk Lamat again
and don't forget
>Speak with Wuk Lamat yet again
 
2 more M1S lockouts this weekend and I'm about to just call it quits on PF and find a static for next tier. I have seen enrage so many times, checked the logs:
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everyone is trash (I'm the WAR). I quite literally can't do anything more. These are my last 3 enrages in a "clear" party. I'm losing it.
What the fuck is actually wrong with people that they go into Party Finder, act like they want to clear, and do this shit? I can't understand healer retardation, but to play as a dps and play THAT badly. I think if I stopped caring, I still couldn't parse below green. I would be so embarassed.

It's incredible that nobody noticed how annoying it is when 80% of the quest objectives are
>Speak to Wuk Lamat
and
>Speak with Wuk Lamat again
and don't forget
>Speak with Wuk Lamat yet again
People harp on this a lot, so it is definitely noticed. If you look at the MSQ quest on GamersEscape, it really is nothing but Speak to Wuk Lamat, Speak to Erenville, Wait (at Destination), etc
 
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Honestly I'm getting tired of these role quests. I miss the characters I met when jobs had their own questlines. Those had actual stories and characters I actually gave a shit about.
The job quests were better and the role quests in ShB did nothing for me, but I kinda liked the EW ones, as it gave us some time with characters most mmo's would have disgarded long ago unless the main story required them. Seeing how Gosetsu changed after Yotsuyu's (best girl) death was devepment I did not expect.
 
I am going to withhold judgement on these healers. They were probably busy attempting to keep those DPS alive as they stood in aoes and then picking them off the floor when they died.
The SGE was fine, I felt bad for them honestly as they were in the same boat as me in endless PF hell and was carrying the WHM, who didn't say a word and averaged ~80% GCD uptime. This was worlds better than the first healer we kicked, and we waited 30m in PF for one, so I will give them some undesereved slack.

The DPS was completely sleeping. The Bard was never in the right spot, every time I checked SAM buff wasn't applied, SMN would die and forget to resummon carbuncle. I don't know Rezmage enough to comment on their rotation, but they were clearly fucking up too. Again. this is in an Enrage -> Clear party and was the only group all night I could even hit enrage with.

At one point, the RDM had the audacity to say "do we really need pots for this content". When we're hitting 5% enrage, it was the most infuriating thing I've read. What the fuck other content are you saving pots for, just Ultimates?? I gurantee they are sitting on 1M+ Gil, what the fuck are you saving it for if not pots and food?? I'm double potting every fight just for these faggots to not even put up a real fight.

2 days later, I'm still PTSD-tilted. My fc m8 (The DRK) hopped to Aether and got a clear last night so maybe peacing out of Crystal is the answer.
 
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2 days later, I'm still PTSD-tilted. My fc m8 (The DRK) hopped to Aether and got a clear last night so maybe peacing out of Crystal is the answer.
That is correct. Never raid in Crystal, the people there aren't raid material as much as they like to pretend. Too busy modding their game and characters into Second Life stand-ins to play the game decently. Go to Aether or Primal. Much better there.
 
Man I'm on Adamantoise and despite being a congested server things are decently chill here. Limsa is a den of degenerates and Tranny Fags are here and there, but for the most part people are mellow and keep their wierd shit to themselves. Heck we even have a Christian FC called Living Water thats fairly active, some of their members even have Bible verses in their search comments.
 
It occurred to me, earlier, that other than the appearance of Vrtra (which is a clear and obvious deus ex machina to get Hiroi out of a tricky situation he thought sounded cool but literally had no way out of, contributed to in part because he wrote the tribes of tural as so retardedly incompetent that they literally could do nothing against a few flying ships and so could have been conquered by just about any other nation in an afternoon and some change)... there is basically no mention of the outside world in Dawntrail's main story.

There's that one guy from Ishgard on the boat, I think. Like, Shadowbringers is a different plane of existence and it spends a lot of time talking about events in the Source, and even has you running around in the source a good bit. There's not a single part of the DT MSQ where you go to anywhere but Tural, right? I don't remember there being. Certainly contributes to the worldbuilding feeling like actual shit. The twins spout shit about "learning how the turali tribes came together might help us with Garlemald," which goes nowhere and feels like someone said "Hiroi, why are they here? Literally why are they here, they have way more important shit to do" and he went UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. So many sequences abruptly having no voice-acting (and all of them having such flat camera angles) makes me feel like they ran with a first-draft and did some vigorous editing on-the-go.
Honestly I'm getting tired of these role quests. I miss the characters I met when jobs had their own questlines.
I see why they cut down on them - there's a lot of classes - but at the same time, I don't see why they cut down on them. It really hasn't felt like these last few expansions launched with more on-launch content than Stormblood, but the MSQs have bloated in size.

Why not trim that garbage down, and put that saved time into Job quests again? Sure, it'd be weird to have 30 levels of 'role quests,' but they don't teach you anything and aren't precursors to using the roulette. Frankly, if there was a quest about unlocking Flare Star, I might like that awfully-designed ability 1% more.
The role quests are very clearly portraying the whole treasure hunter/explorer motif as 'white colonialism' or whatever and how you're not heckin' respectin' cultures enough.
Honestly, I didn't even make that connection. I would prefer that - given my preferred fantasy version of this story genuinely is the Eorzean rush to conquer and plunder. Man, hell, you could even have a reversal of that where the Eorzeans, bent on colonizing Tural, get a rude awakening and a bit of a mirror held up to them by Alexandria bent on colonizing Eorzea.

I genuinely don't remember what happened in the tank role quest. I went to Ishgard, they made some bad jokes about it being cold. There was some stupid cringe shit about "authority sucks" written by a teenager or something, I don't remember. It had like, nothing to do with Ishgard.
Just think, they could have done that in the MSQ if they hadn't decided to nuke that part of the map for the second half of the MSQ.
Nonsense! The Alexandrians are so great. Like, let's chew this through:
Is Murder still possible if everyone forgets that the person you murdered existed in the first place?
What are souls, exactly? Is it evil? Shouldn't we tell them to stop doing it?
If everyone knows that someone mysteriously forgotten-about is someone that has died, doesn't that defeat the point of erasing their memory? Like, if they ever get brought up again, wouldn't everyone go "damn, I don't remember them, and isn't it kindof freaky that they could have been my own mother? What is the point of this, exactly?"
Wouldn't people leave, like, diaries and shit to be remembered by? Or did they forget how to write and it's commentary about social media and smartphones?

If everyone forgets everything about a person who has died while hooked into the whatever, how does anyone remember the WWE former-fighters that died of AIDS? Do they pull their headset off right before they die so everyone can remember? But then, everyone does remember, and acknowledges that they're dead - so wouldn't those people still feel grief and loss, defeating the entire point? Wouldn't they recognize that "I can feel this for a WWE Superstar I loved, but I'm going to be barred from feeling this if my mother passes? I'll just forget everything about my own mother?"

There was a resistance, but literally what was it doing for apparently 30 years?
Why didn't Sphene just take the macguffin she wanted and kill the very-obviously-weak Zoraal-Ja rather than giving him a button to juice himself with?

And I'm just getting started! They're such a deep, meaningful addition to the FF14 canon!
OK, so it's going to be catch and let that puppy loose to let him observe how its spell is cast and...he's going to eat the whole thing.
but it funny!!!! it funny!!!! see he eat da fish he eat dA WHOLE FISH!!!! if naruto gotted da fish, n he eated it make me laff haha funny -Hiroi
Ala Mhiggers, IMO.
I will take a zillion storylines about an actual culture filled to the brim with retards who just want to cause trouble and fight things while doing nothing to solve their own problems over the absolute nothingness that is literally everything with Tural. Mhiggers are infinitely more interesting than gray, formless blobs that LOVE TACOS xD
The guy can't even fight, why is he even with us?
In a competently-told story, Erenville would be a Bard. I guess not the FF14 type. He would have a reason to know a lot of esoteric things and have insight into a bunch of different cultures, and a performative nature would explain both why he would be narrating the game (remember that he did that? Yeah I don't know why him either) and why he would delve into exposition so often.

Instead, Erenville is presented as an antisocial loner - exactly like Estinien. And whereas Estinien was still used to provide insight into Ishgardian culture, Erenville doesn't get to do that. He gets five minutes to show that he has problem-solving knowledge, and otherwise he's completely useless. But how could he be? He can't explain cultures when there are no cultures in Tural. He can't explain esoteric facts about history or geography when the writer didn't really spend any time figuring out anything about either. Even his own little aside is ultimately just a quest to tell us about how cool Wuk Lamat is, because Wuk Lamat gave grandma her necklace or whatever.
 
Honestly, I didn't even make that connection. I would prefer that - given my preferred fantasy version of this story genuinely is the Eorzean rush to conquer and plunder. Man, hell, you could even have a reversal of that where the Eorzeans, bent on colonizing Tural, get a rude awakening and a bit of a mirror held up to them by Alexandria bent on colonizing Eorzea.

I genuinely don't remember what happened in the tank role quest. I went to Ishgard, they made some bad jokes about it being cold. There was some stupid cringe shit about "authority sucks" written by a teenager or something, I don't remember. It had like, nothing to do with Ishgard.

All of the role quests are some variant of 'evil foreigner came to our peaceful tribe and stole our cultural relic. Now here's a bunch of exposition explaining how heckin' rad our heckin' culture is.'

I'm honestly surprised we didn't get a smallpox blankets variant to really drive the point home.

The crazy thing is, this 'colonizing Tural' thing was a part of the fucking BLU quests, with the issue of natural resources being a thing.

I get that they're trying to go for comedy or whatever, and maybe there's some Japanese cultural shit going on that is lost in translation, but it comes off as just so fucking stupid. I did enjoy the shapeshifting one, as it had an actually funny payoff with Magnai, but the larger stories are done with all the grace and craftsmanship of an ABC After School Special.
 
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