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big pauper said:
If I remember correctly you can open it up in Photoshop and separate the entry text from the birth certificate page itself - which I don't really have any explanations for besides "they hastily faked one"
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Yeah there were a few problems with it that could be found in Photoshop, I was also suspicious of the fact that they could have just released it right away and made everyone questioning it look like idiots, but instead dragged it out for as long as they could and then released a version that had problems.

I'm guessing this was deliberate in order to create an idiotic, meaningless distraction that people could fight over instead of focusing on his terrible policies (which were largely just a continuation of Bush's).
 
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ATI Escapee said:
Trump says he is going to terminate the Dept. of Education. Genuine question to those who agree- Why do you support this, and how do you think it will play out?

I totally get the push back on gender ideology in schools and I also agree that, in its current state, our public education system is rapidly deteriorating overall and is already in shambles in a lot of places. I also cannot see how eliminating the DOE would help the latter though.

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The education mandate belongs to the state in order to meet the need of the locality and state affairs. If need be, nationally.
 
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big pauper said:
If I remember correctly you can open it up in Photoshop and separate the entry text from the birth certificate page itself - which I don't really have any explanations for besides "they hastily faked one"
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I think it was that there was digital font kerning that wouldn't have been on a typewriter?
but yeah there was some weird autism shit about why the released one was sus
 
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ATI Escapee said:
Trump says he is going to terminate the Dept. of Education. Genuine question to those who agree- Why do you support this, and how do you think it will play out?

I totally get the push back on gender ideology in schools and I also agree that, in its current state, our public education system is rapidly deteriorating overall and is already in shambles in a lot of places. I also cannot see how eliminating the DOE would help the latter though.

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First of all, the DoE is absolutely outside of the Fed’s enumerated powers. It’s only not been ruled unconstitutional because it was created during the 70s, under the Burger court, which while not as bad as the Warren era, was still very lax about actually doing its job.
So even if it is a good thing, even the best thing ever, it shouldn’t exist without constitutional amendment.
Second, as pointed out earlier, the DoE doesn’t do a whole lot of good in the first place. It could go away and not change much. If you want nationwide education standards, you can accomplish that via purse power through congress (like how nationwide 21 drinking age was).

Finally, the American education system is shit nationwide. It’s best to scrap the DoE and let states work it out. It will take a while, but the semi-market function of different states trying different things will work a lot better in the long run than letting a bunch of beltway pansies from cushy Ivy League schools trying to turn all the kids in the nation woke, gay, and trans.
 
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Benjamin Matlock said:
Yeah there were a few problems with it that could be found in Photoshop, I was also suspicious of the fact that they could have just released it right away and made everyone questioning it look like idiots, but instead dragged it out for as long as they could and then released a version that had problems.

I'm guessing this was deliberate in order to create an idiotic, meaningless distraction that people could fight over instead of focusing on his terrible policies (which were largely just a continuation of Bush's).
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It's fake as fuck, but all the people who were in charge of guaranteeing its authenticity confirmed it as authentic, so that's that.
 
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Benjamin Matlock said:
Yeah there were a few problems with it that could be found in Photoshop, I was also suspicious of the fact that they could have just released it right away and made everyone questioning it look like idiots, but instead dragged it out for as long as they could and then released a version that had problems.

I'm guessing this was deliberate in order to create an idiotic, meaningless distraction that people could fight over instead of focusing on his terrible policies (which were largely just a continuation of Bush's).
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A huge point of contention I've heard against Obama was that he wasn't born and raised in America, he had private tutelage overseas in Southeast Asia. It was never an issue of his legitimacy as president but a culture war issue about him being a manufactured socialist agitator that wasn't even born here.
 
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ATI Escapee said:
Trump says he is going to terminate the Dept. of Education. Genuine question to those who agree- Why do you support this, and how do you think it will play out?
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Most education funding comes from local and state sources--that's why you pay property taxes. The DoE only contributes about 10% of education spending, and most of that is incentives to participate in their shitty programs.

I'm in favor of nuking the DoE primarily to get rid of their top-down, national mandates. I think we should have 50 states experimenting with educational models and curriculum, without an entity trying to force a single standardized way of doing things that has been an objective failure for decades.

How will it play out? Media distortions, lawsuits, hyper emotional guilt trips with sad music playing over pictures of little black girls in kindergarten. Two election cycles of blaming Republicans for "destroying education" as the Democrats finally highlight the trends they normally try to keep out of the news. Eventually a SCOTUS case that could go either way, since Roberts is a status quo mega cuck.

Functionally, schools will lose a bit of funding, activist states will leap in to fill the void, you'll see a wobble in school budgets that will even out after about 5 years. Then you'll see experiments and new programs being tried out, half of which will fail and spark the blame game again, half of which will work and be copied by like-minded states. Everyone will be called racist, either for failing or succeeding.

(I'd like to think it would also pop the college degree bubble, but that's too optimistic for such a powerful, socially ingrained grift.)
 
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Harvey Danger said:
Most education funding comes from local and state sources--that's why you pay property taxes. The DoE only contributes about 10% of education spending, and most of that is incentives to participate in their shitty programs.

I'm in favor of nuking the DoE primarily to get rid of their top-down, national mandates. I think we should have 50 states experimenting with educational models and curriculum, without an entity trying to force a single standardized way of doing things that has been an objective failure for decades.

How will it play out? Media distortions, lawsuits, hyper emotional guilt trips with sad music playing over pictures of little black girls in kindergarten. Two election cycles of blaming Republicans for "destroying education" as the Democrats finally highlight the trends they normally try to keep out of the news. Eventually a SCOTUS case that could go either way, since Roberts is a status quo mega cuck.

Functionally, schools will lose a bit of funding, activist states will leap in to fill the void, you'll see a wobble in school budgets that will even out after about 5 years. Then you'll see experiments and new programs being tried out, half of which will fail and spark the blame game again, half of which will work and be copied by like-minded states. Everyone will be called racist, either for failing or succeeding.

(I'd like to think it would also pop the college degree bubble, but that's too optimistic for such a powerful, socially ingrained grift.)
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dude chill with the fucking spoilers, man
 
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Harvey Danger said:
Functionally, schools will lose a bit of funding, activist states will leap in to fill the void, you'll see a wobble in school budgets that will even out after about 5 years. Then you'll see experiments and new programs being tried out, half of which will fail and spark the blame game again, half of which will work and be copied by like-minded states. Everyone will be called racist, either for failing or succeeding.
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My primary concern with an end to the Department of Education would be an end of special education funding. Some districts really do take kids with intellectual disabilities and lock them in broom closets when a basic attempt at education could help those kids be functioning adults.
 
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ATI Escapee said:
Trump says he is going to terminate the Dept. of Education. Genuine question to those who agree- Why do you support this, and how do you think it will play out?

I totally get the push back on gender ideology in schools and I also agree that, in its current state, our public education system is rapidly deteriorating overall and is already in shambles in a lot of places. I also cannot see how eliminating the DOE would help the latter though.

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The Dept. of Education deliberately sabotages our education system with ridiculous mandates. They mandate standardized testing and subject matter, and penalize teachers who try to teach things other than what is on the tests. When students inevitably fail to meet the standard, they lower their standards so that advanced/honors students are hurt instead of failing students. The remaining students get a shallower and shallower understanding of the subjects as they only learn strictly what is needed to pass a test, they don't learn anything they aren't tested on. This is dangerous especially when learning history, because students aren't taught critical thinking, they are taught to regurgitate facts and a few select narratives. And in Math, they taught how to use a formula, not how to recognize when they should apply the formula. And in English, they are mostly taught how to write a five paragraph essay they will never write outside of school.
Finally, every three years they decide the way teachers are teaching Math or History or English is wrong and develop a new stupid and convoluted way to learn the subject that they discovered via Astrology and mandate the learning experiment take place in every schoolroom in America.
 
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There are numerous problems with the American education system. The largest is a complete lack of choice for most parents which leaves many with a shitty public school that has not reason to improve because it has no competition. Removing the monopoly of the public school system would go a long way to fixing most problems. Even public schools would improve because competition forces them to get off their asses.

Another is an antiquated notion of students being in a particular grade. There are few people who are average across the board in all subjects for a particular grade level. Some kids will be excellent at math, but struggle with reading or vice versa. Grouping students into arbitrary buckets based on age will only ensure that those who are behind in some area will stay there. Put students into classes that they're suited for and that will challenge them intellectually regardless of age.

The third largest problem isn't so much the schools, but the teachers' union. No matter how good the school or the pupils, a rotten teacher will ruin them just like a horrible artist will waste a perfect scene and expensive paint. Even just allowing for alternative unions would solve a lot of this problem in much the same way that choice of schools would, but the schools need to push back against the unions and awful teachers.
 
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