Should Men Get Married?

[Spud]

You can disregard a question that starts with "Should" it's pondering on a hypothetical that will never occur. You're a guy, you got the agency to decide whether you want to or not to get married, you don't need to listen to anyone telling you whether you "should" or "shouldn't".

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

You can disregard a question that starts with "Should" it's pondering on a hypothetical that will never occur. You're a guy, you got the agency to decide whether you want to or not to get married, you don't need to listen to anyone telling you whether you "should" or "shouldn't".

I agree with you in principle, but you're being ridiculously pedantic in a way that derails the topic
Interpret the question as "Is it wise for men to get married?" instead

 

[Spud]

I agree with you in principle, but you're being ridiculously pedantic in a way that derails the topic
Interpret the question as "Is it wise for men to get married?" instead

You just asking the same question replacing "should" with "is it wise". Like I said, you're a guy with the agency to make that decision yourself, you don't need the validation or approval of strangers on the Internet about the decisions regarding your love life. Do it because you wanted to or not and own your choice about it. It's not me that has to live with it.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Look, a woman can buy a gun. She can load the gun. She can point the gun at you, and pull the trigger until it goes click.

If you can trust your woman to not do that, why can't you trust her to not divorce-rape you? If you can't, then find a better woman, or work to make her a better woman (the latter can happen more than you think, less than you hope).

Protip: if she goes on an unprovoked (by you) racist rant, she's probably a keeper.

 

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Look, a woman can buy a gun. She can load the gun. She can point the gun at you, and pull the trigger until it goes click.

If you can trust your woman to not do that, why can't you trust her to not divorce-rape you?

It's not exactly top secret esoteric medium rare knowledge that people have different kinds of inhibitions and thresholds when it comes to different actions
For instance, compare trolley problem "pull the lever to divert the trolley to kill one man and save five men" versus "push this fat man onto the tracks so his dead body stops the trolley from killing five men" - it's essentially the same outcome, but many people who are unwilling to do the latter are willing to do the former, because they are removed, or more distanced from the act of killing a man

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

Protip: if she goes on an unprovoked (by you) racist rant, she's probably a keeper.

Don't get discouraged if she doesn't immediately go on racists rants either. With enough time, she can come around and suddenly she'll talk about Asian women driving badly or make fun of a black woman's ridiculous name unprompted.

 

[grump]

Technically marriage today is a bad deal. You get absolutely nothing from it legally except some relatively minor tax benefits overwhelmed by the royal ass fucking you can take from asset division. You don't even get any promise of sex anymore and thanks to no fault your partner can freely cheat on you with zero consequences.
Unfortunately the State has made it extremely difficult not to accidentally enter into marriage like state with the drawbacks but none of the meager benefits. Theres common law marriage and even those that don't have common law like California can still fuck you over through palimony. Even if you protect yourself with a prenup the judge can throw that out.

Also men have an inborn need for women (and vice versa) and will usually automatically find themselves in situations that will expose themselves to these risks regardless of what they academically know. The only way to fight back is to learn the byzantine rules a little better than the other side.

Marriage used to have a reason to be bias towards women, but now with women working just as much as men it has absolutely no reason to be. I tell people get married in the eyes of the lord not the law. Or whats wrong with a prenup? Do courts do screwy stuff with that too?
Not getting married is fine. Throwing off women completely is cucked.

There is a movement growing to get rid of alimony. Not out of any sense of fairness toward men (although thats how they present it) but because women are getting increasingly hurt by it. So you have two feminist factions warring over this. But Child support is usually where the woman really turns the screws on the man anyway.

 

[Brenda Holiday]

or guys who picked the first broad who gave them pussy

This is what I wonder. I have to cast serious doubt when I see men talk about how their wife "just suddenly changed" just like I am very doubtful when women talk about how their abusive boyfriend "just suddenly" became abusive.
This is why you date for life. Don't waste your time with people who aren't compatible with you. Finding someone is a long term ordeal, especially in todays modern world. Have sit down deep conversations about your beliefs and goals in life. Something that should alarm you is if your girl sees her money as her money and your money as "our money". That's not how things work.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

This is what I wonder. I have to cast serious doubt when I see men talk about how their wife "just suddenly changed" just like I am very doubtful when women talk about how their abusive boyfriend "just suddenly" became abusive.
This is why you date for life. Don't waste your time with people who aren't compatible with you. Finding someone is a long term ordeal, especially in todays modern world. Have sit down deep conversations about your beliefs and goals in life. Something that should alarm you is if your girl sees her money as her money and your money as "our money". That's not how things work.

To be fair, it's not impossible for people to turn on a dime for some stupid reason. However, it has happened in my life that a very close friend started dating a flaming cunt. I told this close friend, in private and out of care, that he was dating a flaming cunt. His response was anger and our relationship went cold. Then my friend realized this bitch was a flaming cunt, dumped her, apologized to me, and everything was fine between us after that.

Some people put blinders on with this shit and don't realize it.

 

[Shao Khan]

So true king, you should stay single and leave women alone. Don't let any money and semen stealing whores ruin your quality goon&vidya time. You should buy a motorcycle with all that money you are saving from not getting divorce-raped.

shut up fatass

 

[Black Spruce]

Or whats wrong with a prenup? Do courts do screwy stuff with that too?
Not getting married is fine. Throwing off women completely is cucked.

Ignore society, get married in the biblical sense: A man and woman fully dedicating themselves to each other. Not contractua

Common law marriage and defacto marriage laws exist as a trap for people who do this. There are jewish divorce lawyers actively pushing for defacto marriage laws to be expanded to include dating. They only exist so men can be subject to divorce court. This is life-destroying advice you're giving people.

Quit trying to black pill the world into playing it safe and go take risks like a Man should or you'll end up a miserable, bitter wreck in your old age.

You want to know what's more miserable? Working two jobs and living out of your car as a wage slave to your ex wife while she alienates your kids from you.

get a pre-nup, problem solved.
get married, have kids, go punch a troon that tries to groom your kids.

Prenups literally do nothing. They are a trap to make men walk unprotected into dangerous situations while thinking they are protected. Like Africans who buy magic charms from their local witch doctor alleging it makes them bullet proof. Also if you do that last part, your children will be taken from you and adopted out to pedophiles.

Look, a woman can buy a gun. She can load the gun. She can point the gun at you, and pull the trigger until it goes click.

If you can trust your woman to not do that, why can't you trust her to not divorce-rape you?

Is a woman fully incentivized to do this with government support and cash-in prizes for shooting her husband dead? No. She has literally zero reason to not divorce you and take you to the cleaners for the rest of your life. Anyone advocating men in the West get married is retarded and you're only a boon to jewish divorce lawyers, disloyal whores, and child molesting stepdads.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

Common law marriage and defacto marriage laws exist as a trap for people who do this. There are jewish divorce lawyers actively pushing for defacto marriage laws to be expanded to include dating. They only exist so men can be subject to divorce court. This is life-destroying advice you're giving people.

You people freaking out about common law marriage are missing my point. When I say ignore society, I'm saying that the kind of marriage you should pursue should be one based on love and trust after careful deliberation and that's it worth having despite the risks. If you pursue a contractual marriage for tax breaks you're going to have a bad time.

Sign the certificate after the fact, but marriage was a religious institution first and a tax break second.

You want to know what's more miserable? Working two jobs and living out of your car as a wage slave to your ex wife while she alienates your kids from you.

Did this happen specifically to you or are you worried this will happen specifically to you?

 

[im5!XxhO]

Depending on your jurisdiction the expected value of the tax benefits might be higher than the risk of divorce. That depends a lot on your income situation though. As long as you are planning to have kids, your girlfriend/wife can fuck you over anyways so might as well do the marriage for the tax benefits.

On a larger point, I think marriage as a concept is outdated in the west. The romantic marriage historically did not exist, it was a tool to bundle property and create a constant economic unit (or in the case of nobility a political unit) that could not be unilterally abandoned by either party. In the modern world where pretty much everyone has to work and have their own income anyways, there is a shit ton of insurance and welfare that purpose doesn't exist anymore. Sometimes you should just move on and leave outdated concepts behind or see them for what they are: an expensive hobby.

 

[Burning Bridge]

Did this happen specifically to you or are you worried this will happen specifically to you?

Guess what feminists, the poisoned M&M analogy is now on the other hand.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

No. Nowadays, the odds of a marriage ending in a divorce is worse than coinflip odds, and your marriage ending in a divorce will put you back years at best. There is ZERO consequences for a woman to initiate a divorce, and the courts that handle divorces and child support arrangements are hilariously biased towards the woman. She decides one day that she "can do better"? Enjoy losing tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in assets.

For all of the women and whiteknights seething about this, you have to understand that the current generation of men in their 20s and 30s are the ones who grew up during the time period when no-fault divorces really began to become commonplace. Pretty much every man either has a male relative who got fucked in a no-fault divorce, or knows a man who got similarly fucked. If you watched a beloved father, uncle, or cousin get fucked because his wife got bored and decided to dump him and steal half his shit, would you REALLY be eager to jump into that same boat yourself?

 

[Black Spruce]

ignore society

Cool. How are you going to ensure she doesn't change her mind one day and forcibly bring society down on your head?

Did this happen specifically to you or are you worried this will happen specifically to you?

Multiple family members, family friends, co-workers, etc have been fucked over hard by divorce, two of them committed suicide because of it. That and my own parents. You can learn from the mistakes of others. You don't have to make them yourself.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

Guess what feminists, the poisoned M&M analogy is now on the other hand.

I was asking so I can tailor my response, but fuck it:

If it has happened to you: I'm sorry, but you're being a crab in the bucket trying to prevent other Men from successfully building a family by demoralizing them.

For everyone else:

You've all been demoralized by Faggots, the Jews who fund pornography, and their porn addicted miserable golems into thinking that the natural state of Man, married to one Woman, is unobtainable or undesirable. It's not easy, nothing worth doing ever is, it's not a 100% guarantee because we lived in a cursed world, but it is worth trying.

Wake the fuck up, find God, and go build your family so your father's legacy doesn't end with you.

 

[WSPWSPWSPWSP]

get a pre-nup, problem solved.
get married, have kids, go punch a troon that tries to groom your kids.

Prenups can easily get thrown out of court if a party says they signed it under duress.

 

[Black Spruce]

you're being a crab in the bucket trying to prevent other Men from successfully building a family by demoralizing them.

No we're being kind and compassionate by warning men about the trap so that they don't have their lives fucked up.

You've all been demoralized by Faggots, the Jews who fund pornography, and their porn addicted miserable golems

No we've been demoralized by women and the hostile and malicious government that enables and encourages their selfish behavior.

Wake the fuck up, find God, and go build your family so your father's legacy doesn't end with you.

God told us to have authority over our wives. What happens if you exercise authority over your wife? She divorces you, takes half your shit, takes your income for the rest of your life, and alienates your children from you. What happens if you refuse to allow this? The soldiers if Satan dressed in their blue costumes will come put you in a cage with niggers to be raped, and murder or permanently cripple you if you refuse.

It was not Adam who was tempted by Satan. It was Eve. A woman. Adam's downfall was because of his WIFE and his love for her. It is the exact same today. Women are tempted by Satan (the god of this world and the ruler of all earthly kingdoms) to rebel against God by subverting their husband's authority and divorcing him. They have nothing but incentive to do it.

You have zero defense against this. Zero. I don't care how pious you are. Your faith will not stop the guns of the government from taking you to the cleaners at the whim of the overgrown toddlers known as women.

Talk about offspring and legacy all you want. There are ways to achieve that outside of marriage. Sinful? Probably. But cheaper, and far safer. It's something I value, and it's something I have achieved, and I put myself in minimal danger to achieve it.

Sorry but until we bring about a patriarchal society where men have the authority to go along with their responsibility, instead of men having responsibility and women having authority, getting married, legally or not, is recklessly retarded.

 

[Brenda Holiday]

Talk about offspring and legacy all you want. There are ways to achieve that outside of marriage. Sinful? Probably. But cheaper, and far safer. It's something I value, and it's something I have achieved, and I put myself in minimal danger to achieve it.

I'd like you to expand on what you mean and how, if you think being anywhere near a woman will result in divorce rape