Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Maybe in the short term, but...that directly led to Werner turning on Putin. Which forced Putin to dispose of one of his (formerly) most loyal subordinates, who I'm pretty sure was irreplaceable given Wener's largely fucked off to Africa as a result.
Yeah Bakhmut was still an exceptionally high disproportionate casualty sink for Russia; and should have been held onto as long as feasible to keep the advance stalled and the meatwaves being burned through.
I've heard it was pretty much somewhere between 1:5 to 1:8 Ukrainian vs Russian casualties.
Puck had a video a year ago where he evaluated the main arguments that holding Bakhmut was a mistake (in this case, those advanced by Michael Kofman), and ultimately finds them unconvincing:

I basically agree with his analysis. It's hard to say when the exact best time to pull out of Bakhmut was, but simply giving up the city when it got really hot would have been a mistake.
 
The fact that they are using the Princelings fresh from Summer Camp as the meat shield in this is pretty instructive of the desperation. In reality they probably have no choice. Once the Border units and the Tik Tok Chechens got routed the only units they did have were the paramilitary police and the national service teenagers. Russia can't just pull its actual fighting units out of the Donbass and send them Kursk. Those units are locked in a grinding trench war with the UAF in that theater. If they pulled away too rapidly they risk another Kharkiv reverse Uno in Donetsk this time, potentially undoing an entire year and a half of effort.

Funny story. All those units that were sent for a meat wave in the failed effort to take Vovchansk would have been insanely useful right about now. Pity that. Turns out there is actually a good reason why a reserve force is kept IN RESERVE. Yeah, front liners love to make fun of them as REMF's, and more aggressive officers absolute despise what they see as wasted resources. But oh man, if you need a Reserve force and don't have one does it suck big fat donkey balls. And this Donkey is making Russia suck em while it kicks them in the face.

In more news, this was state media in the USA.

Leading with more videos of the Russian tricolor getting thrown in the mud with the Blue and Gold being hoisted to replace it. As the kids say, not a good look.

Poor fuckin kids man, just some 19 year old, probably still lives with Mom and dad. Only experience with a gun is from video games and a few mags from training.
Suddenly facing down veteran shock troops with modern equipment.
 
Have we really spent two years prolonging the Russian annexation of the child-porn capital of Europe?
For what?
Protecting Biden's investments?
Don't tell me our politicians care so much about Ukrainian sovereignty, or the welfare of the people when they don't give a single fuck about their own.
They might not, but I do.
Kill yourself, you rot brained nigger.
 
Poor fuckin kids man, just some 19 year old, probably still lives with Mom and dad. Only experience with a gun is from video games and a few mags from training.
Suddenly facing down veteran shock troops with modern equipment.
Zelensky and Syrski did say that beyond creating a security buffer the purpose of Ukraines invasion of Russia was to make the war a reality for the Russian people.

I think they are succeeding.
 
Yeah man, lets all ruin our economies for a state-level child-porn mill, that also has a big sideline in fake medical degrees for boat-niggers.
Big flex.
What do I care if your whole family dies, foreigner?
Fuckin WHO'S economy is dependent on Russia? You're a fuckin tard, you just say dumb shit you hear on /pol/.
 
Russian annexation of the child-porn capital of Europe?
For what?
Yeah man, lets all ruin our economies for a state-level child-porn mill
Possession of child pornography is legal in Russia you retarded nigger, so Russia wants to annex the child porn capital of Europe so that the Russian child porn industry can grow, and Ukrainian children can start to see some multipolar diversity in being raped by Muslims and Chinks too?
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Russia can start to LARP as the trad and moral saviors of the West when they make the possession of CSAM illegal in their country, and stop being a fucking enormous den of pornography, prostitution, and sex trafficking that arguably rivals the degenerate porn of Western Europe itself.

And they should also do something about the sheer amount of Russian women that keep getting sold to Chinks, Turks, Arabs, and Niggers, by this point, the "rich shitskin with blond Russian hooker wife" is a status symbol among the men in these cultures, why do you think that blondes-loving Chinks, Arabs, and Poopjeets on the internet love Russia so much?

You can be a den of pedophilia, legal possession of CSAM, AIDS, alcoholism, atheism, and pornography as long as you are against the Western pedos and porn industries, right?, it doesn't counts when their degeneracy is non-Western or naturally homegrown?

This news article on child sexual abuse and the legality of possessing such material in Russia is from fucking 2011, and 13 years later, even despite both Western and domestic Russian scrutiny, absolutely nothing has been done to make the possession of CSAM illegal in Russia, but the country where CP is legal and thriving will surely save the West from degeneracy though!, after more Russian women become pornstars shooting endless amounts of extreme fetish porn, and get shit on by rich Arabs and Chinks in Dubai, Russia will surely save the White race or something, just like how China, Venezuela, and North Korea will save the White race too?!

Either that, or Russia shall surely defeat White Supremacist Nazi Imperialists according to insufferable Western Communist troons, really funny to see the overlap between full-blown Marxist-Leninist Commie troons and /pol/ retards when it comes to their love for the fetish porno and mail-order hooker capital of the world. :story:
 
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Stress on *Now*.
I guess having your server farms blown into scrap and brick-dust can really get in the way of such "enterprises".

Who would weep for such a state?
What are their tears worth to me?

Hi, friend. I see from your post history that you're a Brit who posts in that Summer of Discontent thread.

It really is horrible when foreigners come with weapons from beyond your borders, mistreat the natives, occupy territory and claim it as their own, and just generally behave like lawless barbarians, isn't it? It's right and just for the natives of a land subject to such treatment to do what they can to resist that invasion, and for right-thinking people of other countries both nearby and around the world to help them in their defense of their native lands, isn't it?
 

Three Russian soldiers are unloaded right next to an occupied Ukrainian trench. They are shot dead the second the APC starts to move away. Of course it doesn't stop or try to support them.​

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This genuinely wtf footage. Ive now seen this multiple times where the vehicle dropping off Russians does it with them exposed to enemy fire all the while providing zero fire support themselves.
 
Have we really spent two years prolonging the Russian annexation of the child-porn capital of Europe?
For what?
Protecting Biden's investments?
Don't tell me our politicians care so much about Ukrainian sovereignty, or the welfare of the people when they don't give a single fuck about their own.
It’s not important that Ukraine wins. It’s important that Russia loses.

Russia people is like black but wrong color on accident.
 
Wish our thread had its very own unpaid janny tranny like the mongoloid retard thread has.
Let them come out of their hugbox and embarrass themselves, the retard calls Ukraine the "CP capital of Europe", while possession of CP is itself legal in Russia, and child sexual exploitation, pornography, and prostitution are all extremely rampant, there is no need for anti-Russian NAFO redditor propaganda, when Russians themselves are open about the fact that they live in a degenerate shithole where even owning child porn is legal.
 
Never heard of this expat(?) Russian economist Konstantin Samoilov before, although it's nothing we haven't thought of already. But he's got good points about Western media downplaying things, along with Russia's economy & conscription problems.
His channel started out before the war as an English speaking Russian trying to give ignorant westerners a tour of his lovely and misunderstood country. When the war started, he did the both sides have a point Schick and tried to toe the national line. When Ukraine routed the Russian Army around Kiev and Kharkiv and Putin ordered the first wave of mobilization he fled to Uzbekistan where he had a business partner/friend that would vouch for him for a visa. According to the story that friend actually made the invitation rather then being asked for it.

He basically said he did it because 1. As a youtuber he either would have to become part of the State war effort or be arrested and 2. His oldest son was approaching mobilization age and it was 100% guaranteed he would be turned into a mobik and sent to Ukraine. Whether or not he was sent as a meat wave or a princeling in rear echelon being entirely dependent on his channels content.

He opted for option C. Flee the country with family, and was part of that first wave of Russian upper middle class that ended up in Georgia and the Stans.
 
It does get the clicks though, Russia got retards to claim they invented body armor that could stop a fucking .50 cal back in 2021.
Bonus points for it looking like the most generic sci fi armor ever.
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I remember back in the middle of Iraq/Afganistan that the US had its own turn at the "Future Soldier" with Dragon Skin body armour that was supposed to be able to stop any conventional round and yadda yadda but nothing ever came of it.
 
May your sons die like battery hens, and your daughters be carried off as trophies.
You are such a drama queen. If you don't like your country supporting Ukraine, then vote out the politicians that support them, or stop paying your taxes and see where that gets you. Nothing is going to be solved by wading into a thread full of Ukraine supporters and trying to rile them up, though I'll concede this might be making you feel a little better for a few pathetic minutes.
 
Let me straighten this out;
I don't CARE if Russia also has a child porn problem, because my country isn't currently sending money hand over fist to be embezzled by Putin.
If we were, then I would be levelling the same complaint about them.
But we aren't; the child porn mill we ARE funneling money into is my concern, not the one we aren't.
The moment my government sent our taxpayer's money to be stolen by that Jewish Comedian impersonating a leader, was the moment Ukraine's sins began to weigh on us.
This is just another Israel/Palestine game.
It's a turd race.
Whoever you cheer for, they both still shit.
Death and misery on all of you, both sides.
May your sons die like battery hens, and your daughters be carried off as trophies.
You should care about the extermination of the Russian people, language, culture, and state.

Russia threatens your island of inbreeding and knifecrime with nuclear annihilation on a weekly basis.

Ukraine is working to genocide all Russian speakers with an ethnovirus created in NATO/Fauci funded biolabs.
 
My gas bill just keeps on going up.
Funny ain't it?

Hi, friend. I see from your post history that you're a Brit who posts in that Summer of Discontent thread.
If he really is a Brit then his post is even more retarded. You know how much of the UKs gas came from Russia before the war? 4 whole percent. Our gas price rises were less a direct result of prolonging the war and more a combination of the companies seeing a chance to gouge us, OFGEM doing literally nothing to stop them, and the Tory leadership being too busy measuring each other's back for a knife to make any preparations the way other countries did.
 
Retarded Vatnigger: Ukraine is the child porn capital! Fuck them!
[presented evidence that Russia is infinitely worse about Child porn than Ukraine]
Retarded Vatnigger: Look I don't care if Russia is actually a bigger source of Child porn.

Every time.

Maybe. But I don't see any breakthroughs in Donetsk unless Russia really fumbles the ball on the 10 yard line, since all the troops Ukraine would need to capitalize on this are heading into Russia itself right now..
It would unlikely be Donetsk, as they'd have to push the front back several kilometers before they hit the Surovikin line. More likely it would be a push to the south where they are against the line and might be able to batter their way through. Also if they can get Putin to pull reserves from the south, it'll be a while before they could be returned.

Maybe in the short term, but...that directly led to Werner turning on Putin. Which forced Putin to dispose of one of his (formerly) most loyal subordinates, who I'm pretty sure was irreplaceable given Wener's largely fucked off to Africa as a result.
Not just Werner & Chef. What he really lost was Utkin. That paranoid motherfucker actually knew his shit. One can question the humanity of sending a group of prisoners out over noman's land so you can see which group makes it the farthest before getting shot down and then sending your tacticool elite operators to infilitrate in that direction, but as long as you had a bunch of disposable moblik meat to cube they were able to use if very effectively when combined with unsustainable artillery barrages.

Russia's top commanders haven't been good, they've be simply competent.

Yeah Bakhmut was still an exceptionally high disproportionate casualty sink for Russia; and should have been held onto as long as feasible to keep the advance stalled and the meatwaves being burned through.
I've heard it was pretty much somewhere between 1:5 to 1:8 Ukrainian vs Russian casualties.
I basically agree with his analysis. It's hard to say when the exact best time to pull out of Bakhmut was, but simply giving up the city when it got really hot would have been a mistake.
At the 'peak' it was at least 1:8 in Ukraine's favor. Once Ukraine was barely able to maintain a corridor for resupply, and their 155 was forced to pull back due to the threats from north and south, that brought the total for the battle to about 1:5.

The right time would have been once they were forced to pull their heavy artillery and were fighting in close combat to keep a resupply corridor open.
But again, it tied down a huge number of Russian forces.

I remember back in the middle of Iraq/Afganistan that the US had its own turn at the "Future Soldier" with Dragon Skin body armour that was supposed to be able to stop any conventional round and yadda yadda but nothing ever came of it.
iirc Dragon skin was cost-prohibitive, production didn't scale (lol), and while it was better than anything else that lgiht and flexible, it wasnt even truly bullet proof.
 
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