If you had the opportunity to devise a blank slate civilization, would you do it?

[Betonhaus]

Let's say you were given land on a different planet, or on the moon or under the sea, land that has no human history or preexisting culture, but plenty of natural resources and the capability of making arable fields fro growing food. You have the right to accept or deny anyone who wishes to join or enter your nation, and can retrieve them even if their host nation tries to prevent it. You are given the resources to bootstrap your civilization but otherwise your civilization should become independent. You have full control over the culture and religion of your civilization, but you will have to determine ways to ensure your people abide by your guidelines.

would you do it? and would you outright ban Jews, or trick them into being corralled and exterminated so you can swipe all the assets they brought into your nation?

 

[The Blue Morpho]

So I get to go to a new place full of bounty and get a bunch of free shit to help me out at the start, and I get to bring along anyone I want and I get to decide the rules for how we live? Is there a downside? Thought experiments usually have a downside or some other complication.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

>trying to build any good world with Earthlings as a whole population

seems legit

(But no "social media" or "smartphone culture" would be good starts.)

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I'm going to found a hidden underwater city based on the principles of free men and free markets. Invitation only.

 

[Shig O'nella]

What sort of timeline we talking? If I have a few dozen millenia, I'm gonna start with some other species than humans.

 

[Devout Muslim]

Indians only.

 

[Fastest Hand In The East]

(But no "social media" or "smartphone culture" would be good starts.)

People were dumb faggots before that too you know. It's just a symptom.

 

[Chongqing]

I would try really hard to replicate the American Constitution and the system of checks and balances, but I think that would be so hard to do and so unlikely to succeed.

 

[Betonhaus]

So I get to go to a new place full of bounty and get a bunch of free shit to help me out at the start, and I get to bring along anyone I want and I get to decide the rules for how we live? Is there a downside? Thought experiments usually have a downside or some other complication.

You have to decide a governing system that works well, otherwise the people you bring will rise up and behead you

 

[Mao Hao Hao]

It'll end like how all of my Spore playthroughs end: I got overconfident in my build, messed up somewhere and either committed some kind of genocide or just the worst kind of creature made it into space.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Niggers only

 

[Fek]

Perhaps paradoxically, I would suggest the only people who could handle this while also producing something truly profound and lasting together are the types that wouldn't need any form of government in the first place. If one "loves thy neighbor", so to speak, then one need not wait for someone else to stop by in some kind of official dress and tell them what to/not to do. Organizing into groups responsible for this or that requires no authority wielded over one's fellows, which is where I'd advise the idea of government is terribly flawed.

Many may think humans incapable of such feats, but I'd suggest it's actually quite the opposite. Truly "great" and..let's say "balanced" people are not sitting around waiting to be told what to do. They simply do. An inspiring figure of that nature can rally thousands to a cause without writing a single drop of ink into law. Each who are able will gladly contribute to the goal, the dream, the passion, all on their own and look out for one another while doing so.

Imagine being part of something truly prolific with a group of others, no matter how small or large your roles relative to the big picture. Imagine any work or toil going towards a true desire to help others in whatever form truly calls to you in this life.

We actually are wired for such greatness, friends. We've simply forgotten..for now.

 

[Otterly]

Yes. I suspect there’s a maximum size bound on such a successful culture though and also a bound on getting stale. You’d need a constant set of frontiers to explore.
You should also make part of your founding mythology able to embed in your culture the reasons why other cultures failed - and be as strong as you can about such subversion being identified and rooted out. Your fairy tales would need to be interesting let’s put it that way.
It would work but you’d need exceptional people, and a strong will

 

[Black Spruce]

I will revive Celtic Europe and create the successor to Gaul, thank you very much.

 

[soulgains]

Any society you build will be limited by your own ability and intelligence. It makes you appreciate ancient rulers and emperors, at least the good ones, for their accumen and ability to manage such large populations. Without a ruler like Qin Shi Huang, China wouldn't exist today. If he made one fuck up, or did a single thing different East-Asia would be a European style smattering of various different fiefdoms and ethno-nations competing against eachother. The great man theory of history is often derided in America specifically, because most of us have grown up in this Byazantine system ruled by institutions, where the "faces" and personalities don't matter as much, if at all, in comparison to the unchanging nature of power and politics. We forget that one man can change the world, can build a nation, can charter the course of a people that echoes throughout history.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

This hypothetical already existed in the Wild West of the 19th century.

I have a hard time arguing against what 19th century America (and Canada too) did by moving Westward because North America really was one giant PvE server. And yes, I consider the Natives to be NPC mobs and not full players. Willing to trade for guns, but not learn masonry to build walls? Very dumb of them. In this hypothetical, it really doesn't matter what kind of government is used because if people don't like it, they can always leave peacefully. Thus, it actually is a case where free market anarchy is a legitimate way of life where laws are made ad hoc to deal with specific problems.

 

[God of Nothing]

GODREICH
GODREICH
the fuhrer of the land of nothing demands more quality media and purging of the unclean

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Perhaps paradoxically, I would suggest the only people who could handle this while also producing something truly profound and lasting together are the types that wouldn't need any form of government in the first place. If one "loves thy neighbor", so to speak, then one need not wait for someone else to stop by in some kind of official dress and tell them what to/not to do. Organizing into groups responsible for this or that requires no authority wielded over one's fellows, which is where I'd advise the idea of government is terribly flawed.

Many may think humans incapable of such feats, but I'd suggest it's actually quite the opposite. Truly "great" and..let's say "balanced" people are not sitting around waiting to be told what to do. They simply do. An inspiring figure of that nature can rally thousands to a cause without writing a single drop of ink into law. Each who are able will gladly contribute to the goal, the dream, the passion, all on their own and look out for one another while doing so.

Imagine being part of something truly prolific with a group of others, no matter how small or large your roles relative to the big picture. Imagine any work or toil going towards a true desire to help others in whatever form truly calls to you in this life.

We actually are wired for such greatness, friends. We've simply forgotten..for now.

You're invited to my city. I need someone to wean the newbies off this altruism bullshit by giving them some new bunk to believe in, and you're the person for the job. How much?

 

[Betonhaus]

I wonder if a caste system would become necessary? So the dregs of society can live in an environment within their means where laws and rules are simpler, the scholar types are separated from governing, and the governing caste is kept seperate but easily identifiable in case of a revolution

 

[Male Idiot]

An old Hungarian joke:
-Why is the Moon brown?
-We solved the gypsy question.

Why not go further? If I had a hot planet, I would send all the nogs there, and give them lots of waddymelon seeds.

If there was a mineral rich planet, just put all jeets there and put the jews in charge. They'll be happ, as a pig in a stye, and Earth would do fine with whites and yellows to make spaceships and provide cowpoo extractors amd new hooptie rims for the black's technicals.