Off-Topic Detransitioner/Desister Stories - People you know or heard about deciding to return to their original gender/sex

It's a shame that it took this long but it's happening and this is amazing.

For the first time, someone's actually going to be able to gather quality data about detransitioners, and this is going to be a huge deal, even though the incoming cohort that agrees to surveys or to be researched is likely going to be small.

It won't happen overnight. It's going to be a few years because that's normal for research, but this could have a huge impact for the better in helping people not make irreversible mistakes.
A real study is long overdue. They’re still parroting the “more people regret knee replacement surgery“ argument which is based on incredibly poor research. I believed that a few years ago myself until I actually read the study myself.

This is a good step forward but you’re right, it will take a while.
 

The NHS are finally going to support detransitioners. It’s crazy that only now this is available.
This is Massive!
A venerable institute like the NHS is saying without any prevarication, that Detransitioning exists, and it's serious and difficult enough that you need the NHS to fund medical care for it. None of the "it's all reversible" and "Noone goes through all the medical stuff and then realises they're not trans, that's just people who dabble in cross-dressing" bullshit. None of the "it's a tiny precent, essentially Noone, that's why you should ignore them"
No. The NHS has said it IS a serious medical issue, it IS happening, and it's happening to a LARGE group of people. Large enough that we have made changes in our slow moving bureaucracy to accommodate them.
This acknowledgement of the problem is going to change the narrative around Detransitioning.
 
This is Massive!
A venerable institute like the NHS is saying without any prevarication, that Detransitioning exists, and it's serious and difficult enough that you need the NHS to fund medical care for it. None of the "it's all reversible" and "Noone goes through all the medical stuff and then realises they're not trans, that's just people who dabble in cross-dressing" bullshit. None of the "it's a tiny precent, essentially Noone, that's why you should ignore them"
No. The NHS has said it IS a serious medical issue, it IS happening, and it's happening to a LARGE group of people. Large enough that we have made changes in our slow moving bureaucracy to accommodate them.
This acknowledgement of the problem is going to change the narrative around Detransitioning.
We do seem to be heading in the right direction in Britain after the release of the Cass Report. It’s great to see.
 
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How often do we need to see this before someone in power says "hey, maybe these kids aren't the way they are because have sex based souls that were placed in the wrong body, maybe they are just acting out because they are being abused"
 
"hey, maybe these kids aren't the way they are because have sex based souls that were placed in the wrong body, maybe they are just acting out because they are being abused"
The difficult part to explain is that some of them are abused. Some of them are just neurotic. Some of them are following trends. Some of them are horny, or watching too much anime, or being groomed or Munchausen-by-proxied.

With all the evil and oppressive "gatekeeping" removed, the diagnosis/identity of "trans" is the biggest Band-Aid, one size fits all, no need to examine any further.

There's no central decision-maker in the trans movement, so right now they're in the paradox of "if you ever think about gender, you're secretly trans" / "well those people were never trans to begin with."
 

The NHS are finally going to support detransitioners. It’s crazy that only now this is available.
In the video the lady mentions prolapse as a symptom of hormone treatment. Never heard of this symptom before. Here's a relevant publication, with oestrogen as the hormone:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32301895/
Testosterone-based one:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893124/
This study seems to identify a correlation:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12012882/
Seems to be related to women and the menopause. I wonder if there's any detransitioner stories out there that mention this?
 
This extreme case of bpd is my favorite detrans.


She's an absolutely insane ex trannie who admits she trooned out to manipulate people, and cause violence is more acceptable for men. She burnt down her mom's house and as a result, most of her family hates her with her sister saying in an interview that she grew up in fear.

She recently got broken up with by her boyfriend cause she's a major alcoholic. Of course her boyfriend not wanting a fall down drunk around makes him satan.

She went to a sober living facility but left cause they were evil. Why? Well cause they didn't let her drink.

She went to a shelter and they were evil. Why? Cause they wouldn't let her stumble around in the shower at 3am.

She could go to her parents, shockingly. But they're also evil cause they'd refuse to let her drink. Even though she claims she wants to stop drinking.

She often tard rages on her Twitter when people come laugh at her or tell her to grow up. Even her own family has commented on her threads and told her to shut the fuck up.

I don't think I've ever seen such a bpd psycho, and my job used to be working with bpd psychos.

Anyway I just think she's hilarious and good cow material. Maybe I'll attempt a thread on her one day
 

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If it was me I wouldn't have gone back to see a plastic surgeon. I would have just cut my losses and figured that getting even more cosmetic surgery is just making the problem even worse. Still it's strange to see just how strong of a negative reaction this girl got. I always figured plastic surgeons are a pretty amoral lot, but here she seems to have had some sort of moral outrage at the idea of treating a detransitioner. Possibly because she didn't want to think about how many more people like this she is creating.
 
Possibly because she didn't want to think about how many more people like this she is creating.
Bingo!

Also doctors, by nature and to a certain extent necessity, are deeply deeply arrogant. Detransitioners area slap in the face to the doctor saying "You were wrong. You fucked up." Detransitioners, depending on the circumstances, also potentially spell a lawsuit, and surgeons especially are loathe to take responsibility or accountability for their mistakes.
 
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If it was me I wouldn't have gone back to see a plastic surgeon. I would have just cut my losses and figured that getting even more cosmetic surgery is just making the problem even worse. Still it's strange to see just how strong of a negative reaction this girl got. I always figured plastic surgeons are a pretty amoral lot, but here she seems to have had some sort of moral outrage at the idea of treating a detransitioner. Possibly because she didn't want to think about how many more people like this she is creating.
I'm always on the fence about these stories. While yes, doctors are arrogant, surgeons tend sociopathic, the medical system is a shambles, and any "provider" who specializes in "gender" is going to be especially vile, a lot of detrans have the same mental problems that caused them to trans in the first place, and are likely indulging in certain cluster B behaviors and distortions that make them especially tiresome to deal with. And makes them prone to spin up dramatic tales.

Like always, without fail, when a cluster B lady is mistreated, the mistreater "rolls her eyes." Always. Every time. Makes you think.
 
Personal story of mine:

President of furry club at my university decided to transition mtf. As soon as he announced this he started to wear crop tops, heels, makeup and uncanny huge fake tits to the club meetings and other degenerate escapades. I think he eventually started to present as female during class. He didn't act particularly feminine in his mannerisms and seemed to be suffering from some hair loss which contributed to a disturbing gollum-like look.

He later came out saying he wasn't actually trans and his ftm friend (also a furry) was actually encouraging him to transition because of a fetish. He then started posting on reddit about being a desister and started participating in activism against transgenderism (he lied about talking to a doctor about cutting his dick off among other things).

A lot of his friends were transgender or supported them so he became friendless. He ran away from the furry club as well and I think left the fandom in general, even though he had just gotten a 7k dollar fursuit.
 
He then started posting on reddit about being a desister and started participating in activism against transgenderism (he lied about talking to a doctor about cutting his dick off among other things).
This is an interesting story. Your furry here did the "omg totally trans, everyone pay attention to me" ==> "omg totally detrans, everyone pay attention to me" flip we've been talking about, in a fraction of the time, It sounds like it was so fast he didn't have a chance for hormones and surgery to regret, although nothing was still learned.

It's a good illustration: if the person doesn't think about and work on the issues that caused then to bury everything into "trans." "detransitioning" is going to follow the same patterns, just in a different direction. Same energy, same drama and conflict, different group of friends and fellow-travelers. Run into one extreme, sucking it dry, then ping-pong back the other direction.
 
I found this article in the news here in Switzerland:
Well known trans woman regrets transitioning and is now detransitioning after 26 years.
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Nadia Brönimann regrets her gender reassignment surgery
26 years ago, Christian became Nadia Brönimann. She became the most famous trans woman in Switzerland. Today she considers her operations a mistake.

After her gender reassignment 26 years ago, Nadia Brönimann was the centre of media attention. She became the most famous trans woman in Switzerland - and was the non-official ambassador of the trans community for years. This week, she posted a photo on Instagram with short hair and the hashtags ‘changes’, ‘new chapter’ and ‘detrans’, which can be translated as ‘undo’.

The 55-year-old wants to get back to her roots. The idea of a detransition has been bubbling inside her for a long time, said Brönimann in an interview with the SonntagsZeitung newspaper.
‘I feel trapped in a female role model that increasingly restricts me,’ she said. ’I find it stressful to constantly think about how I look and whether I radiate enough femininity. My outward appearance and inner feelings no longer match.’

She feels that Christian needs space again. ‘Defining myself only as female no longer feels right.’ Nadia Brönimann is asked by the newspaper whether she will change her hormones again. She doesn't know yet. At 55, she is afraid of another change. ‘I mourn what I did to Christian’

‘I want to say yes to Christian again, who I suppressed for years. I mourn what I did to him and his healthy body,’ Brönimann told the SonntagsZeitung newspaper. It is a bitter realisation that gender reassignment was the wrong decision.

Many trans people would see her as a traitor after the Instagram post. ‘The fact that I talk about my desire to detransition makes me persona non grata. All I want is for this one aspect, which is very real in the lives of many trans people, to be talked about just as honestly and openly as everything else.’

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I'm pretty happy that the story is being published to a huge audience on different news outlets even if we're not on the same level of craziness regarding "trans issues" like in the US or Canada (usually we get there about 5-10 years later when something is going on overseas).
 
Stories like this are also really important because they show that transition regret can take years if not decades to show up, and it further reinforces why this decision cannot be taken lightly.

This person transitioned back when it actually took years and years of effort and tons of psychotherapy to have the process occur at all, and yet regrets still sunk in.

I also really appreciate the line indicating regret about hurting his healthy male body.
 
It's a good illustration: if the person doesn't think about and work on the issues that caused then to bury everything into "trans." "detransitioning" is going to follow the same patterns, just in a different direction.
Many of us already know what the genesis of trans issues are: people who lack power or unique qualities and can't get respect based on being themselves, because they suck.

The outcome we all see coming is the one we've all seen from every drama queen we've ever encountered: when their drama is stale, they need some new drama. If it wasn't being trans, they'd find a different edge to cut themselves on.

My problem with all of this is, we've seen this before. At some point, we have to start calling it out for what it is.
 
Many of us already know what the genesis of trans issues are: people who lack power or unique qualities and can't get respect based on being themselves, because they suck.

The outcome we all see coming is the one we've all seen from every drama queen we've ever encountered: when their drama is stale, they need some new drama. If it wasn't being trans, they'd find a different edge to cut themselves on.

My problem with all of this is, we've seen this before. At some point, we have to start calling it out for what it is.
Maybe I'm taking this personally because I did id as trans for a little bit. But I think there is an overlap between an underdeveloped identity in trans people and having had narcissistic parents, who would have sublimated their child's developing personality and independence in favour of keeping the focus on themselves; I don't think it's a coincidence that this trans phenomenon is taking off in the children of the boomer generation, the literal 'me generation' and historically narcissistic, combined with the internet where all the previously socially isolated kids can get together and develop their own social phenomenon that snowballs. Plus, having a narcissist for a parent means you yourself most likely turn out to be a narcissist or an enabler - and the trans cult is 100% narcissism and or enabling narcissism all the time. So yeah they suck but they were dealt a bad hand alongside a bunch of historical crises and economic turmoil which made it hard to overcome their initial disadvantages.
 
Maybe I'm taking this personally because I did id as trans for a little bit. But I think there is an overlap between an underdeveloped identity in trans people and having had narcissistic parents, who would have sublimated their child's developing personality and independence in favour of keeping the focus on themselves; I don't think it's a coincidence that this trans phenomenon is taking off in the children of the boomer generation, the literal 'me generation' and historically narcissistic, combined with the internet where all the previously socially isolated kids can get together and develop their own social phenomenon that snowballs. Plus, having a narcissist for a parent means you yourself most likely turn out to be a narcissist or an enabler - and the trans cult is 100% narcissism and or enabling narcissism all the time. So yeah they suck but they were dealt a bad hand alongside a bunch of historical crises and economic turmoil which made it hard to overcome their initial disadvantages.
This is an intensely intriguing theory. Worth its own thread.
 
Stories like this are also really important because they show that transition regret can take years if not decades to show up, and it further reinforces why this decision cannot be taken lightly.

This person transitioned back when it actually took years and years of effort and tons of psychotherapy to have the process occur at all, and yet regrets still sunk in.

I also really appreciate the line indicating regret about hurting his healthy male body.
Just to bad most people won't see them because media has invested interest in not talking about it. I'm also wondering if were seeing more people detransitioning now because it's becoming very unpopular to be trans, especially now, with Kris stuff. I've been seeing more people hate trans community in last few months then I have in last years.
 
when their drama is stale, they need some new drama. If it wasn't being trans, they'd find a different edge to cut themselves on.
Well said.

"Trans" is thriving as a social-political movement because of its omnibus nature. 50, male and horny in panties? Trans. Male feminist facing a breaking scandal? Trans. 20s and crave attention? Trans. Badtouched as a kid and now you're developing? Trans. Gay? Trans. Depressed? Trans. Completely normal but not enjoying puberty, and maybe a little FOMO? Trans.

It's exactly like the "Homeless Problem." Any time you bring up the homeless, people either start arguing about the normal people who were one paycheck away from eviction, or how Society is mean to drug abusers, or how resources for the mentally ill suck.

All of these things are true, but people laser focus on just one cause of a varied population--and they ignore the huge percentage of people in that population who are there because they're just horrible assholes.


I made this using 100% of my brain:
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