Megathread Jesse Singal Derangement Syndrome - jsingal69 vs TroonWorld

[A Sentient Cloud]

Really? I don't see that at all. It was a joke.

Sure, in the same way Katie’s remark last week to the British journalist that the Paris Hilton project she was so excited about was going to fall through was a “joke.”

 

[unrealistic expectations]

Well no not really because that probably will fall through.

I just don't think they would be making each other laugh so often if they were building to a blow out.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

Well no not really because that probably will fall through.

I just don't think they would be making each other laugh so often if they were building to a blow out.

It probably will but telling someone who’s excited about an opportunity that it’s probably not going to work out is rude, any normal human being would tell you it’s rude, and speaks to Katie’s overall antisocial personality.

Ask the Cumtown guys how well making each other laugh prevented a falling-out.

 

[monstrous bubo]

They don’t really need a falling out. They could just be drifting apart. They bonded over their cancellations over the same issue, but both have bounced back: the podcast gave them a financial buffer, Jesse is writing his second book and getting some gigs, and even Katie has roused herself from her weed stupor to start writing a book. Meanwhile the tide is turning on the trans shit, so their position is not automatically haram in mainstream journalism (well, some parts at any rate). The co-hosts and other activity give them the opportunity to take time away from each other if that’s what they need, and eventually they could have enough else going on that the podcast is more bother than it’s worth, at least in its current form. Of course, a huge dramatic falling out would produce lots of stupid internet bullshit, which would not only be more fun but also be kind of ironic.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

I can see it happening. They already have a split custody arrangement with the show, and you can tell that they have different ideas about what to do with it based on their choice of guests. Katie has her wine/dog moms and Jesse has his NPR types. The wine moms do talk about trannies and internet happenings, but the NPR people are less interested.

Katie is also obviously not totally stable, and she has recently had to deal with the stress of 1) buying a house, 2) writing and marketing a book, and 3) going on a tour that she did not want to do. The way she lost most of her real world friends has also come up a lot recently. God help her if a bear winds up eating Moose.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Jesse doesn't understand that to fully examine cult ideology, he needs to break free from the journalism cult. See how he gets butthurt when Katie criticizes the work of someone he happens to know or be professionally linked to, even when it's shit work; he's falling victim to the twitter- and journo-sphere and if he falls in completely they won't be able to continue exposing trannies together. Katie's a low-end midwit who gets some crazy farm-lezzer/DIY ideas, but she does only serve herself and no network of masters. She's happy to mock all sorts of disinformation, but Jesse's still at the point where he'll mock disinformation unless it's his best friend or pastor spreading it.

 

[Mellorine]

If you caught the episode of the Reflector podcast with Katie, she's also supposedly recently given up booze after years of dependency. (I get the impression her making "stoner" such a big part of her identity was partially an attempt to switch to pot over alcohol and also just her thinking that being a pothead would be more accepted in her milieu than being day drunk everyday.) Sobriety inevitably shakes up relationships, even the ones that weren't rooted in substance use. Adding in the loss of the furry, BARpod could well be starting its final decline.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

If you caught the episode of the Reflector podcast with Katie, she's also supposedly recently given up booze after years of dependency. (I get the impression her making "stoner" such a big part of her identity was partially an attempt to switch to pot over alcohol and also just her thinking that being a pothead would be more accepted in her milieu than being day drunk everyday.) Sobriety inevitably shakes up relationships, even the ones that weren't rooted in substance use. Adding in the loss of the furry, BARpod could well be starting its final decline.

I was surprised to learn how recent her sobriety is. For some reason I had thought she was like a decade or more sober, but it's more like two years? She's had A LOT of changes in her life in a very short period.

I still think she hasn't come totally clean about the extent of her problem. I do not believe her when she says she never drove drunk. I think a consequence of that is that she can't reliably travel internationally, and I don't think she's told Jesse that; if she had, I don't think he'd always be making jokes about it, he seems to think it comes from anxiety or normal lesbian agoraphobia.

 

[Dr. Butt]

I still think she hasn't come totally clean about the extent of her problem. I do not believe her when she says she never drove drunk. I think a consequence of that is that she can't reliably travel internationally, and I don't think she's told Jesse that; if she had, I don't think he'd always be making jokes about it, he seems to think it comes from anxiety or normal lesbian agoraphobia.

You can also tell that Jesse's never even been drunk* more than the few times he went to a party in university, and maybe once or twice at some staff party at a hip NYC mag or something, and has never once been blackout or sleep-in-the-park drunk (or even on drugs?). It's respectable and admirable to have never been an addict, but he's clearly about as sheltered as you can be in that regard for someone over the age of 16.

*I mean drunk as in, not warm/tipsy. Like the band of intoxication that begins at "Englishman at 18:00 on a Tuesday".

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

You can also tell that Jesse's never even been drunk* more than the few times he went to a party in university, and maybe once or twice at some staff party at a hip NYC mag or something, and has never once been blackout or sleep-in-the-park drunk (or even on drugs?). It's respectable and admirable to have never been an addict, but he's clearly about as sheltered as you can be in that regard for someone over the age of 16.

*I mean drunk as in, not warm/tipsy. Like the band of intoxication that begins at "Englishman at 18:00 on a Tuesday".

He comes off as a pretty boring person, no different from every other upper middle class millennial media figure who winds up in Brooklyn, which makes the accusations against him so much funnier. This dork is a tranny chaser who stalks people? If the guy has ever even looked at a socially acceptable party drug, it was only after doing extensive research and checking Erowid to figure out the correct ingestion method.

 

[monstrous bubo]

You can also tell that Jesse's never even been drunk* more than the few times he went to a party in university, and maybe once or twice at some staff party at a hip NYC mag or something, and has never once been blackout or sleep-in-the-park drunk (or even on drugs?).

Jesse did tell a story about getting blind drunk and puking while staying at a friend’s house within the last few years, but that only stuck with me because it sounded so out of character. Also he is Sasquatch size with a pizza habit, so he would be an expensive drunk.

Sobriety inevitably shakes up relationships, even the ones that weren't rooted in substance use. Adding in the loss of the furry, BARpod could well be starting its final decline.

Interesting. Is it a phenomenon that takes time to play out? Just wondering if it’s still a factor if she’s been sober for two years.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Interesting. Is it a phenomenon that takes time to play out? Just wondering if it’s still a factor if she’s been sober for two years.

Over two years you're still going to be relapsing, doing other substances besides the one that ruined your life when meeting up with your old friends, still busy enough with the therapy/addiction groups/going to the doctor stuff that you haven't had to yet make your own schedule with no slots for drinking. She's still on the tutorial.

 

[Mellorine]

Just going through intense introspection and suddenly having way more hours in the day (because they're not being spent blotto) can be enough to alter interpersonal dynamics. Add in that getting sober also can bring personality shifts, seeking out new environments and avoiding old ones, new boundaries being asserted, people missing the familiar (drunk) version of someone, and so on, and even relationships with people who've never been anything close to a drinking buddy start to change. Being only a year or two in is still pretty fresh as far as getting sober, and the desire not to relapse can lead to inflexibility, judginess, and being almost as much of a self-centered pain in the ass as they were drunk but in new ways that the people around them haven't gotten use to yet.

Katie has been physically all over the place in the past few years: Pastoral island life! Van life! Ending up back in her hometown for awhile I think! Totally not being bitter about being run out of Seattle as a TERF! She seems like she's still pretty far from establishing a stable new normal.

I like both Jesse and Katie, but they sometimes seem to be working against each other as far as the tone of BARpod: Jesse won't let Katie get too mean or too spergy about internet drama, even though that's when she's most entertaining. Jesse does a good job of laying out evidence and summarizing various viewpoints around contentious issues but he's kind of boring and tries too hard to stay fair and kind. I think that lack of recreational meanness is the biggest divide between them; Jesse seems like someone who appreciates Kiwi archiving but would prefer to have someone else browse the forums for him (Godspeed, Trace), whereas I'm pretty sure Katie sometimes lurks here for fun.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

Over two years you're still going to be relapsing, doing other substances besides the one that ruined your life when meeting up with your old friends, still busy enough with the therapy/addiction groups/going to the doctor stuff that you haven't had to yet make your own schedule with no slots for drinking. She's still on the tutorial.

Using naltrexone surely changes that dynamic, she's not some twelve stepper praying to her 1 week recovery chip at midnight because the beer-less steak she had for dinner wasn't as good as it used to be.

 

[Titted Biscuits]

I'm pretty sure Katie sometimes lurks here for fun.

Every time she admits to using KF or endorses it on the pod, Jesse shuts her down and gives a list of terms and conditions.

He comes off as a pretty boring person, no different from every other upper middle class millennial media figure who winds up in Brooklyn, which makes the accusations against him so much funnier.

Absolutely, the contrast between what he's really like, and the way he is portrayed by TRAs is hilarious. He is the most meek, mild-mannered liberal guy that gently tip toes around subjects so much that I think Katie feels the need to be more direct just to balance it out. Some kind of yin and yang shit.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Using naltrexone surely changes that dynamic, she's not some twelve stepper praying to her 1 week recovery chip at midnight because the beer-less steak she had for dinner wasn't as good as it used to be.

The guys I knew who got naltrexone still had to re-learn what life was like before you had an automatic time-filler. When I tried it I actually wound up doing the same thing as the fats who get confused on ozempic and keep eating anyway because they literally can't think of something else to do. Really depends on the person, especially if they've got multiple drug habits.
Sometimes, the people you spent every day with for decades will suddenly seem like children or speds and you'll have no interest in socializing at all, then start doing weird shit indoors by yourself until 3am.
If you yourself have never gotten off of anything, I don't think there's a way for you to understand every aspect of it.

ETA - Trace is an obvious perv whose issues Jesse is overlooking because "But I know him! A person I personally know can't be eeevil because then that means I made a bad choice and now I'm bad!!". Pussy bitch shit.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

Katie has been physically all over the place in the past few years: Pastoral island life! Van life! Ending up back in her hometown for awhile I think! Totally not being bitter about being run out of Seattle as a TERF! She seems like she's still pretty far from establishing a stable new normal.

Yeah, just from what she's described about her life -- a house on each coast, traveling back and forth in a van with a dog doesn't sound particularly settled. Jana and Moose seem to be stabilizing for her, at least. Pretty obvious Katie is going to take it very, very hard when Moose dies.

Tbh I doubt Katie lurks here. Both of them seem pretty normie in their internet usage, anything deeper than Twitter/Goodreads/Facebook/Instagram drama seems like it needs to be curated for them by a sperg like Jessica or Trace.

 

[Mellorine]

Trace is an obvious perv whose issues Jesse is overlooking because "But I know him! A person I personally know can't be eeevil because then that means I made a bad choice and now I'm bad!!". Pussy bitch shit.

See also Jesse's simping for Taylor Lorenz.

Tbh I doubt Katie lurks here. Both of them seem pretty normie in their internet usage, anything deeper than Twitter/Goodreads/Facebook/Instagram drama seems like it needs to be curated for them by a sperg like Jessica or Trace.

They both seem to be not very online, which is kinda odd given the premise of their podcast, but Katie has shown enough enthusiasm when we have come up that I think she's at least enjoyed what's been curated for her and I'd be very surprised if she hasn't typed the names of her various enemies into the search box at least once.

 

[Surfin Terf]

I like both Jesse and Katie, but they sometimes seem to be working against each other as far as the tone of BARpod: Jesse won't let Katie get too mean or too spergy about internet drama, even though that's when she's most entertaining. Jesse does a good job of laying out evidence and summarizing various viewpoints around contentious issues but he's kind of boring and tries too hard to stay fair and kind.

I think that it's good for the podcast that they check each other in these regards. People have a tendency to just fall into the same habits, and we'd end up with all episodes being pretty one-note whether they were covering an online celebrity behaving outrageously (but entirely in character) and a complete meltdown of an online community due to bizarre sex stuff coming out. By having two different personalities pushing against each other in a friendly and constructive way we have room for different tones.

The changing formatted (and deeper cast) might result in even more variety, but I will miss the intimacy of it being the same two people every single episode.

 

[Candidate No 7]

Tbh I doubt Katie lurks here.

Pretty sure she's admitted it. (Hi Katie!)