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Bartender gets no action in many rounds anyway. At least Assistants can roam around and be nuisances, but the Bartender can't even walk the halls without getting yelled at or worse by Sec for having a shotgun with "no permit" 
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SS14 considering banning AGPL servers because (1) there's a bunch of them made by chuds who don't like them (aka most english servers), (2) they scared too many coders away and want to be able to port stuff from the places they fled to. They say they aren't doing that for now but everything else they've done so far they've denied first.
EDIT: One of the larger English server discords just pinged everyone with this.
EDIT: One of the larger English server discords just pinged everyone with this.
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How fucking hard is it to just ignore the servers you don't like and just let people choose what rules they want for themselves? It's a niche autistic spess man game.
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You'll have to trust me on this
because I don't have screenshots on hand but the reasoning given is usually something along the lines of they expect this game to be big and mainstream and want a sanitized hub that won't scare the hoes that they have the ability to curate completely.
Chunky Salsa
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This shit is why you can't give these faggots an inch. SS14 is worthless, if you can't just slap up a server, and host it yourself without there being an easy way for trannies to fuck with it. I hate them so fucking much it's unreal.
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Oh, I trust you on it. It's retarded enough that trannies would say it.You'll have to trust me on this
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It’s funny since there aren’t any good SS13 servers up anymore.
It’s either five different flavours of +18 ERP and one Russian +18 ERP server, CM HVX, TGMC HVX, depressing failed PVE projects, Goon (which is so far divorced from everything I just don’t care), and 20 to 40 pop MRP servers that run 24/7 green shifts with the same autistic policies, fags, trannies, admins, and code changes that got us here.
As an example, I remember when Bee had LRP, MRP, MRP 2, Clover, and NSV. Now? It’s down to MRP really.
Riviera is the only true and honest SS13 fun anyone will ever have. At risk of being mad at the internet, I have to rejoice and cherish it come Saturday.
God bless Gekogoy, saviour of the space race.
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I reckon you'll have a good time, that risk of being MATI will be way down. Looking forward to seeing you there tbh
Chunky Salsa
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It was unironically the hostile environment created by faggot jannies across all the servers. It pushed out all the oldfag, and actually fun players, and stifled people from getting into the game because you had to play pretend with fat retards in womens clothes.
I introduced some friends to the game last week, and legit I was fucking embarrassed. Every single server we joined, was awful. After an hour, a friend of mine was like "This is so gay, this isn't how you made it out to be man? I've got some faggot trying to tell me off, like this is a real job." Every time we were there, we had furries lisping and 'uwu' - ing at us. You can't do anything but tediously plug away at your job. Escalation is banned, starting shit is banned, messing with people is banned. There is no IC issue, it all has to be mediated through some homosexual on a power trip.
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Bring them in Riviera and tell them it's not gay.
Chunky Salsa
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Drone
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It'd be really funny if they do, gotta be real.
A lot of the faces advocating AGPL supremacy across both SS13 and SS14 are very fascinating individuals. It's a crowd that totes the likes of MrStonedOne (man who can only code when high, and has had so many bouts of political sperging that TG made a Discord channel solely to contain him. He hosts TGstation, which needs no introduction) and VMSolidus (man who adamantly claims to be the original creator of many Baycode-isms, despite all of his claims being directly contradicted by historic evidence. He leads Einstein Engines, a serverless SS14 fork that claims to be Bay-like, but leans heavier towards modern TG than Wizden does).
These people would very likely go completely nuclear if Wizden banned AGPL servers from the hub. And that would be quite the legendary shitshow.
Sidenote: I wish I had more consistent archiving habits in the past, as the sheer lunacy and chutzpah of the AGPL fetishist crowd would genuinely be an amazing opening note for a thread on SS13 and SS14 as a whole. An appetizer for the SS13 community's non-funny horrors.
Wrapping back to MSO in particular: he's already made a prior prominent appearance in SS14 drama by proclaiming that he will hardfork SS14 as a whole under a condition that has successfully been met (Archive). He's never followed through on that promise. Maybe dehubbing AGPL servers would be what finally pushes MSO to finally create TG14! That'd be a hell of a sight to behold.
Sadly though, it seems like Wizden's firmly backing off from the AGPL dehub. Probably due to everyone in the channel calling them dumb. Boooring:
The conversation that included that quote somehow lasted a whole 8 bloody hours (above screenshot is approximately hour 3), and most of it is just, as PJB later put it, "lawyer larping". It all started because a Wizden maintainer made a claim that the AGPL is incompatible with CC-BY-NC-SA. I'm sadly not autistic enough to comprehend the full 8 hour conversation, nor am I a sufficiently licensed enough lawyer to analyze the claims made within.
Wall of text aside: It's surprising that SS13/14 doesn't already have a community watch thread, especially with how often the two Kiwi SS13 server threads have been derailed with SS13/14 drama. SS13/14 dramaposting deserves better containment.
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Einstein Engines is only AGPL because the codebase VMSolidus initially forked it from was AGPL; DeltaV, the ones using the stolen (?) original Nyanotrasen discord. That was forced to AGPL just last February through by their maintainer who then quit within weeks and might have died (?). EE started in March.
The whole SS14 situation is so stupid because Wizden basically forces everyone else to plot against them and make contingency plans lest their hard work get wasted when Wizden throws their weight around trying to ratfuck them in unpredictable ways. Wizards are paranoid because they think everyone hates them and is plotting against them (which is accurate) and everyone hates them because they are subject to the whims of cluster B personality furry pedophiles who hold forever grudges, run a mass surveillance apparatus, will try to destroy your project with zero remorse and even cross new lines and do shit like try to fuck with your real life or non-SS14 project, and get set off by the most random things (which is true).
Also do note that they deployed the auth nuke recently, which isn't surprising. What's surprising is they decided the line you can't cross is too much furry drama. They continue to provide auth to servers they removed for allowing ERP with real life children. This is apparently not worth blocking auth over and they are happy to facilitate this as long as it's direct connect. Unless one of the literal, non-hyperbolic, known-to-be-ERPing-with-real-kids pedophiles calls them a faggot in a discord screenshot or something, then all bets are off.
The whole SS14 situation is so stupid because Wizden basically forces everyone else to plot against them and make contingency plans lest their hard work get wasted when Wizden throws their weight around trying to ratfuck them in unpredictable ways. Wizards are paranoid because they think everyone hates them and is plotting against them (which is accurate) and everyone hates them because they are subject to the whims of cluster B personality furry pedophiles who hold forever grudges, run a mass surveillance apparatus, will try to destroy your project with zero remorse and even cross new lines and do shit like try to fuck with your real life or non-SS14 project, and get set off by the most random things (which is true).
Also do note that they deployed the auth nuke recently, which isn't surprising. What's surprising is they decided the line you can't cross is too much furry drama. They continue to provide auth to servers they removed for allowing ERP with real life children. This is apparently not worth blocking auth over and they are happy to facilitate this as long as it's direct connect. Unless one of the literal, non-hyperbolic, known-to-be-ERPing-with-real-kids pedophiles calls them a faggot in a discord screenshot or something, then all bets are off.
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To balance nuke, the station will be given one mech heavy machine gun that can be fitted to ripleys (it can still go on combat mechs as well). This isn't pushed to the server yet but it will be in time for saturday because the first version of it already exists in the code as of yesterday.
A ripley hopefully can force the nuke ops to run away instead of just crushing the crew with superior firepower, but is slow so the nuke ops should in theory be able to avoid it and have a chance to devise some way of killing it (instead of the nuke ops just dying one sidedly instead)
Cant really tell if the ripley would get picked off easily or if the nuke ops will all die horribly as soon as they encounter the mech, will presumably see this weekend.
A ripley hopefully can force the nuke ops to run away instead of just crushing the crew with superior firepower, but is slow so the nuke ops should in theory be able to avoid it and have a chance to devise some way of killing it (instead of the nuke ops just dying one sidedly instead)
Cant really tell if the ripley would get picked off easily or if the nuke ops will all die horribly as soon as they encounter the mech, will presumably see this weekend.
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Can someone explain to me (a retard) what does this mean and how would it affect le chuds?
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We made it on Reddit, ladies and gentlemen. Not sure if it was based or cringe of the OP to lie about the screenshot being from /vg/ in order to prevent the influx of redditors though. I'm leaning towards cringe because the server is on the hub anyway.
Though judging by his post history on r/ss13, he's a /vg/ regular so he might've stolen the screenie from their discord or some shit.
Drone
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The GPL is a favorite license among FOSStards (See this entire thread to learn more). The GPL is an infective license where if you have just one piece of GPL code in a project, then you must distribute the project's entire source code whenever you distribute it, and the project as a whole becomes GPL-licensed, no exceptions. The AGPL is a variant of the GPL where this requirement of distribution additionally applies if the code's simply running on a server exposed to the internet. This all carries a pretty massive set of legal implications due to the sheer amount of clauses in the GPL and AGPL that conflict with other licenses, including a pretty large amount of other open source licenses. The SS13 community is no stranger to licensing drama due to almost every codebase using the AGPL license. Even Goonstation gets in on the licensing drama, with their claims that the AGPL license is invalid due to it conflicting with R4407's license.
SS14's code is MIT-licensed, which is, in all practicality, a "do whatever the fuck you want" license. This applies to every single part of SS14 and its infrastructure. The engine is MIT, the launcher is MIT, the hub is MIT, and even the auth is MIT. The "official" SS14 project, Wizard's Den (abbreviated as Wizden), hosts an official set of all of these. They have a set of hub rules (Archived), which take a lot in order for them to enforce, but their mere presence is quite controversial nonetheless (People hate jannies. Can't blame 'em). Wizden usually doesn't give enough of a shit to block people from their auth, but recently they started returning a 451 error (that's the HTTP error code for "unavailable for legal reasons") for everyone attempting to connect to their auth using the SSMV launcher. One of my friends with inside access claims that this was in direct response to Skyedra (SSMV's lead) sending a cease and desist to Wizden, but they've been cagey with details, beyond that the C&D made the demand for Blepstation (Skyedra's ERP server) to be relisted on Wizden's hub under claim that the dehubbing was a violation of a contract. (I'd love to see the actual C&D some day. It sounds funny as hell)
With lengthy pretext over: the implication is straight-forward. Because a significant chunk of English SS14 servers have adopted the AGPL license for their own codebases, banning AGPL servers from SS14's hub would mean banning half the English SS14 hub (which would include a handful of servers that Wizden staff seem to love). These servers would not be able to easily get relisted, as they'd need to seek consent from every single contributor to relicense to something that'd comply with whatever policy would hypothetically be put in place. Banning AGPL servers would also force OpenDream (open source Byond on SS14's engine) to start running their own hub, given how tightly intertwined SS13 is with the AGPL. It goes without saying, but making a decision like that would simply be retarded, as doing so would initiate a colossal tard fight (if SS13's licensing drama and the OSS community thread are anything to go off of), and would very likely kill SS14's momentum as a project. It'd be a funny way for SS14 to succumb to the curse. Though it's easy to see why Wizden considered it to begin with, considering the sheer amount of drama that the AGPL's presence has caused within SS13.
As for how it'd affect le chuds: it'd only affect those dumb enough to be relying on Wizden's hub to seed their SS14/OpenDream playerbase to begin with. Servers like Sector Crescent prove that Wizden simply doesn't care about servers not listed on their hub if they aren't being retarded. SC is very based, yet there's no sign that Wizden cares about them in the slightest. Even in the event that Wizden does end up caring (see end of second paragraph), all of their infrastructure is open source, and can be replaced as needed. Skye herself was able to get SSMV back up and running in about a week after it got blocked by Wizden, but the only reason it took that long is because she wanted to completely rewrite how auth works.
All of this for a remake that barely even has a fraction of SS13's content, by the way. Autism's a drug.
What are you on about? I'm particularly interested in what you mean by a mass surveillance apparatus, as that's funny as fuck if true.
That being said: Everyone involved in SS14 is insane in some way, and Wizden is just one of many examples. To focus and obsess over Wizden exclusively is to deprive yourself of many sources of SS14-related laughs.
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If we're using this server to talk about general ss13/14 news now during server off time. It sucks that /vg/station died but I'm glad it did, it really declined and declined hard like 5 years ago. They don't even have a general on 4chan anymore because some guy who shitposts and posts AI imaged mogged them all off to hide away in the discord (full of people who don't even play anymore).
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I was about to share the news, but yeah, /vg/ is actually dead this time and all it took was for 4chan.org/vg moderator to become inactive (/vg/ jannies just give you a warning if you try to report spam instead of cleaning it up). A single no-life AI shitposter just shat the general up for months on end as a result, making it unusable even with the 4chanX filters, driving off all of the actual long-time players and thus killing the game server (no general to discuss the game -> nowhere to share stories -> no desire to play anymore). During what used to be highpop hours when you'd have 30+ players online you now have... less than 10, which is basically a death sentence for a server with a relatively small but loyal playerbase.
I'm not in their discord, but given how nothing has been done at all about this, it turns out that pisscord full of random neverplayers is actually completely useless when it comes to discussing the actual game or gathering people to play. Though having defeatist, tiresome clowns as headmins probably doesn't help either.
By the way, a small update on rshoe:
That's CID/IP/cookie grabber, if "52 private" didn't make it clear for you. His friend wsock would make fake hub entries for /vg/ and TG with spoofed playercounts to grab player info and then use it when griefing to get them banned back when /vg/ first went on the hub.
edit: what I'm trying to say is, I don't have any problems with the guy playing here as long as he doesn't do anything to harm the server.
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