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[fukefacedog]

Just like we manipulate Light Waves we can Manipulate Gravity Waves​

According to Lue, if we can manipulate light waves through technology like lasers or adaptive optics, it stands to reason that advanced civilizations might also manipulate gravity waves. This could involve controlling or altering gravitational forces to achieve remarkable effects such as propulsion or stability in UAPs. The ability to manipulate gravity waves would explain the extraordinary maneuvers and behaviors observed in some UAP sightings, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

The 5 Observables in Sum​

According to Lue, the sum of the 5 Observables—advanced propulsion, extreme maneuverability, cloaking or invisibility, sudden acceleration, and operation in various environments—demonstrates the remarkable and unexplained nature of UAPs. These characteristics collectively indicate a level of technology that far surpasses our current understanding, suggesting that these objects are not of terrestrial origin, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

The 6th Observable in Sum​

According to Lue, the 6th Observable, when added to the original five, could encompass additional advanced capabilities such as energy manipulation or interaction with human consciousness. This expanded list of observables would further illustrate the sophisticated and often enigmatic nature of UAP technology, emphasizing that these phenomena exhibit traits and behaviors beyond human technological achievements, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

The Geometry of the Craft matters​

According to Lue, the geometry of UAPs plays a crucial role in understanding their functionality and technology. The shape and design of these crafts—whether they are spherical, triangular, or other geometric forms—can provide insights into their propulsion systems, energy fields, and maneuverability. The specific geometry often reflects advanced engineering principles that contribute to their extraordinary performance, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

UAP and Water to unlock Energy​

According to Lue, the interaction between UAPs and water could be key to unlocking new forms of energy. Observations of UAPs entering and exiting bodies of water suggest they might be utilizing or harnessing energy from these environments. The ability to manipulate water or extract energy from it could provide insights into advanced propulsion and energy systems, indicating that such technology might be central to UAP operations, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

The UAP fear our technological development because we could fuck them up​

According to Lue, UAPs might be cautious about our technological development due to the potential risks we pose with our advancing capabilities. As our technology evolves, particularly in areas like energy weapons or advanced propulsion systems, the possibility of inadvertently impacting or disrupting UAP operations increases. This caution could be a reason why UAPs are observed monitoring or avoiding interactions with us, indicating that their technology is not invulnerable to human advancements, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

The evidence says the UAP are performing Initial Preparation of the Battlefield​

According to Lue, some interpretations of UAP behavior suggest that they might be engaging in what could be considered "Initial Preparation of the Battlefield." This involves actions like monitoring our technological progress, assessing potential threats, and strategically positioning themselves in relation to human advancements. Such activities could indicate that these UAPs are preparing for potential interactions or conflicts, reflecting a level of strategic planning that underscores the seriousness with which they regard our technological capabilities, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

It's likely that the UAP are indifferent to us and our suffering​

According to Lue, it's possible that UAPs are largely indifferent to human suffering or our daily lives. Their behavior might be driven more by their own objectives or survival strategies rather than any concern for humanity. This indifference suggests that their actions are more about their own interests and monitoring us as a species from a distance, rather than actively engaging with or influencing human affairs, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

Study of Metamaterials​

According to Lue, the study of metamaterials—materials engineered to have properties not found in naturally occurring substances—could be crucial to understanding UAP technology. These materials, which can manipulate electromagnetic waves in novel ways, might provide insights into how UAPs achieve their cloaking, propulsion, and other advanced capabilities. Research into metamaterials could reveal how these technologies function and potentially offer pathways for replicating or understanding UAP technology, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

Remote Viewing​

According to Lue, remote viewing, a practice where individuals attempt to perceive or describe distant or hidden targets using extrasensory perception, has been explored in relation to UAP phenomena. Some suggest that remote viewing might provide additional insights or information about UAPs that is not accessible through conventional means. While controversial, these practices could offer another perspective on the nature and behavior of UAPs, therefore this is undeniable poof that the Aliens are real.

That's it.​

Good night everyone.​

And Remember.​

™ Keep your eyes on the sky™​

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[John Badman]

Not to be a debby downer but as a skeptic I’m a bit hesitant about lack of documentation with repetitive talking points I’ve heard forever. The Orbs, Underwater Aliens, Ancient Aliens, yadayadayada, etc., there’s not much actual scientific explanation more so spectacle.


Talking about the physics is interesting but they shy away from explaining what we already know in the observable universe bound to the same rules that affect Earth. Zero Point Energy doesn’t make much sense as the universal example of that would be a black hole, considering a black hole to have a 0 point at the center is incorrect. All expected black holes are known to have a form of rotation. Given the last thing we see before the event horizon is a photonic ring I’d say the next dimensional step would be a 1 dimensional line with rotation vectors acting upon outside matter.

Generated vacuums are something we’ve known about for a long time. 80 years ago we theorized the Casimir effect, this essentially allows for negative mass cosmological travel through quantum mechanics. If there is such a thing as “free energy” it is likely to be between the fluctuation of positive and negative mass of a vessel and a vacuum chamber. A spherical vessel makes sense since a sphere has unique natural properties other geometric shapes do not offer.

What is a meta material? Is it a compound or alloy? Why do we not know the composition of such materials when we have mass spectrometry and have offered to test unknown objects before. It shouldn’t surprise you every potentially extraterrestrial object we’ve analyzed is composed of universally common elements such as copper, aluminum, iron, magnesium, silicon. If aliens exist they probably used hydrogen for energy just like we’re starting to.

The issue with all this jib jab is it feels like Lue is giving a more zealous shock and awe than giving actual explanations. I could gripe about this all day, chalking it up to aliens acting like we’re not bound to the same rules they are is dumb. If aliens did exist we should be able to easily explain evidence given our knowledge of the universe. Saying aliens exist because a phenomenon unknown to you is quote unquote proof aliens exist then you’ve just trapped yourself in circular argument.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Fresh! Lue Elizondo on the Joe Rogan Experience:

Talking about the physics is interesting but they shy away from explaining what we already know in the observable universe bound to the same rules that affect Earth. Zero Point Energy doesn’t make much sense as the universal example of that would be a black hole, considering a black hole to have a 0 point at the center is incorrect. All expected black holes are known to have a form of rotation. Given the last thing we see before the event horizon is a photonic ring I’d say the next dimensional step would be a 1 dimensional line with rotation vectors acting upon outside matter.

Retard's advocate: Give ayy lmaos thousands or millions of years past their equivalent of the Scientific Revolution and they'll probe physics as far as inhumanly possible. Unless we are really nearing the end of the line and understand almost everything, there's more to learn and we can only guess at what visiting aliens could be using. Faster-than-light travel is not required to visit Earth, only recommended. Warp drives have been proposed as an explanation for weird acceleration effects within the atmosphere (if real, warp drives could be used for bending of space to result in apparent motion that is much slower than light speed, bypassing inertial acceleration experienced when using conventional propulsion methods).

Not only could the physics behind UAP be "classified", but most of the people talking aren't scientists. So we get Grusch tossing around the "interdimensional hypothesis" that he may have seen on a high-level summary document somewhere. It's part of someone's brainstorming session, satisfies nobody, and may be a complete red herring.

 

[John Badman]

Faster-than-light travel is not required to visit Earth, only recommended. Warp drives have been proposed as an explanation for weird acceleration effects within the atmosphere (if real, warp drives could be used for bending of space to result in apparent motion that is much slower than light speed, bypassing inertial acceleration experienced when using conventional propulsion methods).

I take issue with the warp drive colloquialism because it gives no indication what its discussing. What is it warping and how is it driving a physical system? Glowing orbs could be using plasma Wakefield acceleration which explains speed, glow, electromagnetic, and biological effects.

That’s around near light speed. A step higher in technological advancement would allow them to utilize gravitational waves traveling at light speed. A step above that is faster than light speed, this involves going shorter/smaller than a plank unit and tunneling.

Where we’re at now is magnetism and lasers. We’ve come to understand expendable fuel is not efficient for intergalactic exploitation let alone universal exploration.

Not only could the physics behind UAP be "classified", but most of the people talking aren't scientists. So we get Grusch tossing around the "interdimensional hypothesis" that he may have seen on a high-level summary document somewhere. It's part of someone's brainstorming session, satisfies nobody, and may be a complete red herring.

The issue is they won’t ask a scientist thereby keeping everyone in the dark, the physics is not classified. This research goes back decades, but it’s never applied due to reasons like monetarily physical restrictions. I don’t trust explanations that offer no insight outside of selling a narrative. It feels like a red herring.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

NewsNation: Special Report: Confessions of a UFO Hunter (archive) (Reddit) - The companion article for the NewsNation interview that aired tonight. Should be a good enough summary.

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The Black Vault: AATIP Memo Unveiled After FOIA Battle: DoD Inconsistencies Exposed (archive) (Reddit)

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But more importantly to some, it may even confirm Elizondo’s official work within the program, a claim denied by the Pentagon since 2019.

To others, the release of this may simply be seen as a draft memorandum that was authored by Elizondo, without definitively proving his leadership or directorship of a “funded” “UFO program” known as “AATIP,” and in the end, to them, it will prove nothing.

Contrary to the Pentagon’s unwillingness to comment in a reasonable timeframe, Elizondo provided a written statement to the Black Vault about this release, which underscores his thoughts about the importance of it all:

“Thanks to The Black Vault’s continued pursuit of the facts, the DoD had no choice but to relent and admit the obvious. 1) AATIP was a real program and funded. 2) My former employer, the OUSD(I) has had, and currently has a keen interest in AATIP and the UAP topic. 3) There remains a clear national security nexus as it relates to UAP. My fear is that unless more people demand the truth, this information which many of us already knew, would never see the light of day and remain hidden from the public. An excellent example of The Black Vault not taking ‘no’ for an answer.”

A couple hours after that was posted, it was updated (Reddit) with responses from Susan Gough:

After publication of this article, Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough submitted comment by stating, “Luis Elizondo had no assigned responsibilities for AATIP. As noted in the Historical Record Report Volume 1, available on www.aaro.mil, AATIP was never an official, recognized DoD program. The draft, unsigned ‘memo for the record’ that you reference was crafted by Mr. Elizondo and appears to have been unsolicited.”

Given the opportunity to respond to the above, Elizondo added, “The memo they claim was ‘unsolicited’ was in fact a request by none other than the Secretary’s front office staff. Not only is the DoD spokesperson wrong, but any due diligence on their part would have illustrated this. This is yet another sad attempt to once again deceive the American people by a select few in the Pentagon’s PAO. Unfortunately, this type of behavior conducted by a few bad faith individuals, only further damages the credibility of an organization who has very little credibility left to offer. The sad truth is that this type of behavior reflects poorly on the entire Pentagon, including the majority who are patriotic, loyal, and selfless. Fortunately, the truth always comes out as it always has.”

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After publication of this article, Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough submitted comment by stating, “As indicated in the response letter to you dated December 14, 2021, regarding 21-F-0964, the initial FOIA search did not yield responsive records.”

Given the opportunity to respond to the above, Elizondo added, “This response isn’t even worthy or a response. It’s clear that obfuscation and deceit is the new norm for the same few at the PAO office. I would once again remind them that propaganda and disinformation against the American public is illegal.”

I can't capture the article's updates with Archive.today, Ghostarchive, or Internet Archive for some reason. What has this asshole done to his website to make this happen?

The Daily Mail: Witnesses to 2004 Tic-Tac-shaped UFO sighting reveal shocking cover-up of infamous USS Nimitz encounter (archive) (Reddit) - This new article comes shortly after a claim Elizondo made on JRE today about an oil rig sized UAP speeding around underwater, which has predictably excited fans of the 4chan whistleblower. This article claims a submarine's sonar caught UAPs/tic-tacs traveling at 400 knots (460 mph) underwater.

I take issue with the warp drive colloquialism because it gives no indication what its discussing. What is it warping and how is it driving a physical system?

I assume most people are talking about a hypothetical Alcubierre drive bending space near the craft, causing it to "move". The Alcubierre drive has been considered impossible or unfeasible since inception, but subsequent calculations have lowered the apparent energy requirements and may eliminate a requirement of exotic matter. The bending of space is considered a way for an alien craft to achieve what appears to be extremely high acceleration without tearing itself apart, and may be an explanation for "trans-medium phenomena", or craft that appear to be able to transition from space to atmosphere to underwater without slowing down.

I think the lore experts have also categorized the different craft shapes by number of whatever-the-fuck drives, e.g. black triangles having 3-4 but tic-tacs or orbs having around 1-2. I saw a list somewhere recently.

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Some notes on the book:

Spoiler: Chapters 1-3 (Brazil and Remote Viewing)

I heard the 9/11 angle was going to be pushed. Getting Christopher Mellon to write the foreword and mention that he was in the Pentagon when it was struck was a nice touch. Note that the foreword and author's note are dated.

I'm going to ask someone about the encryption line in Chapter 1 because it seems like a boomerism.

Chapter 2 focuses on Brazil and the Colares Incidents. Lue met Brazilian general Paulo Roberto Yog de Miranda Uchôa. I had never heard of this stuff but I probably wasn't paying attention. Maybe we should run it by our Brazilian Kiwi. He also relates seeing damage to multiple tanks in Afghanistan in 2003 that seemed to be caused by a laser, witnessed only by a goat herder who saw a green flash of light.

Chapter 3 starts with Lue's upbringing, may contain cringe depending on your POV. It mentions that his father made him read The Anarchist's Cookbook and assemble an AR-15 and other guns, and this was part of training for an attempted re-invasion of Cuba that never happened. His mother Janise was "a professional model and a onetime Playboy bunny in Chicago". Pics or it also didn't happen.

He says while working at Fort Huachuca, Arizona, a nervous Air Force contractor told him that the government was after him for his mathematical formula for making planes disappear, and Lue was later contacted by Air Force OSI agents about the man.

He was recruited by an Army intelligence officer to do remote viewing, and says that he got better with practice. But the remains of the program were dismantled. He says he used the remote viewing method he learned to help make decisions:

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He says he gathered with some other remote viewers and intimidated an imprisoned terrorist from a distance:

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He implies it continues to be used:

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Obviously, remote viewing is going to be a sticking point for a lot of people. Lue also mentions that he could write a whole book about remote viewing. Planning your next one, eh?

Spoiler: Chapter 4: The Secrets Within

He mentions Skinwalker Ranch at the top of the chapter, to return to later. He drops some possible search terms for helping to find records. This might be relevant to FOIA requests, but they seem fairly obvious so meh.

He goes into the Wilson/Davis memo stuff, and says Edgar Mitchell told Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis that as a young boy, his family was one of the ones threatened over proximity to Roswell crashes. He confirms that the "Legacy Program" term is used internally to refer to the wide array of black projects (recall that "Legacy Program" ended up being defined in the UAPDA). Hal Puthoff told Lue that Roswell was a real, covered up crash, and four nonhuman bodies were recovered. Also mentioned in this recalled conversation was the idea of Presidents/etc. being regarded as "temporary hires".

"The majority of OUR files" are kept "FOIA Exempt". Not sure if he was referring to AATIP or government agencies in general in this line, but it makes sense.

Mentions:

• Lonnie Zamora case and J. Allen Hynek
• March 1952 Belgian Congo uranium mines
• July 1952 Washington, DC UFOs
• October 1954 soccer game mass sighting in Florence, Italy
• March 1966 Michigan sightings where the "swamp gas" explanation was popularized
• Australia's Five Eyes status and the 1970s Australian DOD report, probably the one that was being discussed on Reddit a few months ago
• March 1967 Malmstrom Air Force Base inoperable warheads
• September 1971 US-Soviet treaty allegedly covering UAP nuclear incidents
• Rendlesham Forest and John McCain helping some of the witnesses decades later
• 1982 UAP at Byelo Air Base in Ukraine initiating missile launch that was aborted last second
• Summer 1981 TWA pilot near collision with UAP over Lake Huron
• March 1988 Coast Guard sighting of UAPs over Lake Erie
• Russian maps identifying two crash sites in the Ural Mountains

He talks about aliens observing nuclear activity but doing nothing to stop weaponization. This is discussed in the NewsNation interview and has rubbed some Redditors the wrong way, but with the full context in the book it seems like a reasonable enough thing to point out.

"Institutions like the Vatican have formed alliances with UAP transparency advocates in Italy and the US and confidentially share historic accounts that are centuries old that may be UAP-related." - But do they though? They appear to be staying out of it.

 

[fukefacedog]

Not to be a debby downer

I'm 50% fucking around and want skepticism. I'm not posting this stuff here to say "look it's true". I'm posting it for excellent comments like yours. This community has access to incredibly intelligent individuals and I brought this here to pick their brain.

Zero Point Energy doesn’t make much sense

I agree, in order for Zero Point Energy to be true the Cosmological Constant Problem has to be solved and good luck.

the universal example of that would be a black hole, considering a black hole to have a 0 point at the center is incorrect.

I agree that would be the universal example. Additionally, the highly theoretical example would be a white hole.

I’m a bit hesitant about lack of documentation with repetitive talking points I’ve heard forever. The Orbs, Underwater Aliens, Ancient Aliens, yadayadayada, etc., there’s not much actual scientific explanation more so spectacle.

Agreed, although there is documentation for many of the older and recent claims but it's not firm and i'm honestly not particularly concerned with them, nor is documentation (or videos and testimony for that matter) going to be what convinces me. Only a series of peer reviewed and independent studies from multiple separate and trusted institutions will convince me.

Given the last thing we see before the event horizon is a photonic ring I’d say the next dimensional step would be a 1 dimensional line with rotation vectors acting upon outside matter.

I agree 1000%.

If there is such a thing as “free energy” it is likely to be between the fluctuation of positive and negative mass of a vessel and a vacuum chamber.

The AAWSAP portfolio proposes Ground State Energy Suppression as one potential, which i'm indifferent to:

If aliens exist they probably used hydrogen for energy just like we’re starting to.

Lue touched on that and directs his attention to the splitting of the Proton:

"All one would have to do is remove the oxygen from the hydrogen molecule of the H2O. You'd have a virtually unlimited supply of protons to crack open and unlock the energy hidden deep within."

How could this be accomplished? Doesn't say.

What is a meta material?

The AAWSAP portfolio, where Lue draws ALL of his ideas from, very roughly described it as:

"Material combined in a nanostructured way to achieve higher order function."

Examples include superlenses, super-strong magnets, photoluminescent materials, high-temperature superconductors, materials that are functionally invisible, magnetoresistivity, photo-/thermo-/piezoelectric effects, and "Programmable Matter" which means matter that is literally able to perform computations ("smart material").

They also discuss Quantum Dots, which is a separate concept from Quantum Dots in our modern day like in Intel's Quantum Processors. The AAWSAP portfolio describes Quantum Dots as

A very small grouping of tightly confined electrons whose collective behavior resembles that of a natural atom. For this reason, quantum dots are sometimes known as "artificial atoms".

There are two major differences between a quantum dot and a natural atom. First, there are far more than 92 possible configurations-an infinite number, in fact- for the confined electrons. Thus, with quantum dots it is possible to create designer atoms with properties that simply do not occur on the periodic table. If we want to, we can exert precise control over their optical, electrical, thermal, and magnetic properties rather than simply selecting these properties from the limited catalog nature has provided.

A quantum dot confines electrons in a very small volume of space, forcing them to behave as standing waves. Their structure thus resembles the electron clouds or "orbitals" of an atom.

Is it a compound or alloy?

Everything that I've seen appears to be an Alloy.

"Infiltrated" implies diffusion to me.

Material like this would only really be used in high-performance aerospace situations or research, or for specialized electronic equipment. It's certainly not something that's done at a large scale.

At the very least to say you'd find material like this laying around on the ground without someone from Boeing or Lockheed coming to retrieve it is HIGHLY unusual in my opinion. Highly unusual.

It shouldn’t surprise you every potentially extraterrestrial object we’ve analyzed is composed of universally common elements such as copper, aluminum, iron, magnesium, silicon.

Yup, agreed. While highly unusual to find this stuff laying around, nothing we've seen has been technically impossible to produce and therefore not evidence of aliens.

Glowing orbs could be using plasma Wakefield acceleration

I made a suggestion early in the thread and Lue repeated it in his book, which I clipped, the suggestion is not that there is plasma present, but rather, that blue shift is changing normal infrared light to the visible spectrum.

I'm not saying that's what's happening of course. I don't know what's happening, nor THAT IT HAPPENED, since it can't fucking see it. CAUSE IT'S JUST WORDS IN A BOOK!!

The issue is they won’t ask a scientist thereby keeping everyone in the dark, the physics is not classified. This research goes back decades, but it’s never applied due to reasons like monetarily physical restrictions. I don’t trust explanations that offer no insight outside of selling a narrative. It feels like a red herring.

At this point I just want a picture of these fucking things in the visible spectrum for gods' sake. I know they're supposed to be fast and slippery and shit, but come on. Get the cameras up already and run them. If we don't see anything around these "hotspots" after a reasonable amount of time i'm fine with calling it and hitting the bar.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

The thing about encrypted emails taking 10 minutes is plausible, probably as a result of slow networking speeds rather than just the encryption/decryption.

NewsNation's full interview with Lue Elizondo was put up as a live "premiere" video on their YouTube channel:

I will edit in notes here if needed.

NewsNation: UAP disclosure not ‘a sprint. It’s a marathon’: Ex-Pentagon official (archive)
NewsNation: UFO investigator did us a ‘public service’: Michio Kaku (archive)

Elizondo will appear on Coast to Coast AM on Sunday, hosted by George Knapp. Franc Milburn is on the second half of the show:

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2024-08-25-show/ (archive) (Reddit)

First Half: Luis Elizondo, former head of the Pentagon program responsible for the investigation of UFOs, now known as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), reveals long-hidden truths with profound implications for not only national security but our understanding of the universe. He joins George Knapp to discuss the truth about the government’s long shadowy involvement in UAP investigations, and the lengths officials will take to keep them a secret.

Second Half: Franc Milburn, former UK and Five Eyes intelligence counter-intel officer, discusses his investigation into the mysterious death of Amy Eskridge - a talented Huntsville scientist from a NASA "Paperclipper" family, her work on anti-gravity, and her concerns about the potentially catastrophic effects of weaponizing free energy - which could literally rip apart space-time.

Sperging!
New AARO director is debunking on LinkedIN and soliciting new evidence and leads. If you are reading this and you have evidence and leads on any UAP programs DO NOT CONTACT AARO. I REPEAT DO NOT CONTACT AARO. Contact Chuck Schumer and The Senate Intel Committee instead (Info in Submission Statement)

 

[BirdUp]

aliens have not visited earth and never will unless they want to harvest our natural resources

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

aliens have not visited earth and never will unless they want to harvest our natural resources

Like our human horns. It’s an ancient space Chinese medicinal secret.

 

[John Badman]

I watched the newsmax interview and it feels all very much the same. I understand classified information and censure approval but I’d figure he’d say something new if he’s as in the know as he says. It feels similar to Bob Lazar where it’s just a retirement career decision to make book deals and do media circuits. I give Luis the benefit of the doubt that they likely did isolate him outside of a need to know basis, this tracks with Luis not being privy to agency black project research data. I want to believe him but he’s not throwing any bone.

A question that is bugging me is why is the government not employing theoretical physicists like Penrose or Edward Witten, I mean shit Edward Witten’s father Louis Witten worked on anti gravity research. These are 200+ IQ autist scholars that are scary smart and sharp as tacks.

You'll never see it if you haven’t interloped within the social circles, but most if not all high IQ academics are incredibly narcissistic chatty Cathys. You’d think someone would coyly discuss something at a conference or that an institute would financially back whatever speculative technology they have access to.

But I haven’t seen any of this. DoD skunkworks has market tangibility, economically speaking project budget is tied within financial movement. For example the Northrop Grumman B-21 creates multiple impacts from jobs creation, innovation R&D, increased government budget spending, supply chain impact, and trade. A more focused lense shows all these general issues is further determined by material and capital availability.

If there are humans with access to alien technological artifacts it’s safe to assume by human nature our actions inform others of our motivations. Whether that be by loose lips sinking ships or insider trading there should be a reasonable expectation of a slip up.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

A question that is bugging me is why is the government not employing theoretical physicists like Penrose or Edward Witten, I mean shit Edward Witten’s father Louis Witten worked on anti gravity research. These are 200+ IQ autist scholars that are scary smart and sharp as tacks.

You'll never see it if you haven’t interloped within the social circles, but most if not all high IQ academics are incredibly narcissistic chatty Cathys. You’d think someone would coyly discuss something at a conference or that an institute would financially back whatever speculative technology they have access to.

But I haven’t seen any of this. DoD skunkworks has market tangibility, economically speaking project budget is tied within financial movement. For example the Northrop Grumman B-21 creates multiple impacts from jobs creation, innovation R&D, increased government budget spending, supply chain impact, and trade. A more focused lense shows all these general issues is further determined by material and capital availability.

It's alleged that the scientists involved are few in number, subject to severe security restrictions (with the overwhelming majority of funding spent on security, not science), and they are siloed off and given very little information. In other words, you can be in the "Legacy Program" and know very little about the big picture, have next to zero interaction with your colleagues in the same building or even the office next door to you, may not even be told that you are working with "alien" crash material, and may not even be allowed to touch the material, instead studying video of it and other data. And on top of all that, you will be threatened or murdered if you get too chatty. At least, that's the kind of crap people have said, and I would link some posts about it but it's hard to re-find any particular thing.

Those who have been more talkative are scientists like Garry Nolan, who've allegedly had some access but are outsiders and mostly associated with the AATIP crowd.

When you hear Lue and/or Grusch saying something along the lines of "we need our best and brightest minds on this", they are alluding to the nature of the Legacy Program stifling progress.

aliens have not visited earth and never will unless they want to harvest our natural resources

From the book:

For a long time, they've been harvesting water and monitoring us, perhaps to see just how dangerous we've become. To guage our threat level.

Sheeeeit

Spoiler: Lue Elizondo's first actual YouTube video

https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1f08nfx/luis_elizondos_official_youtube_channel/

 

[BirdUp]

It's alleged that the scientists involved are few in number, subject to severe security restrictions (with the overwhelming majority of funding spent on security, not science), and they are siloed off and given very little information. In other words, you can be in the "Legacy Program" and know very little about the big picture, have next to zero interaction with your colleagues in the same building or even the office next door to you, may not even be told that you are working with "alien" crash material, and may not even be allowed to touch the material, instead studying video of it and other data.

this is exactly how the Manhattan Project dealt with information: the scientists at Oak Ridge built centrifuges to isolate uranium-235 from naturally occurring uranium, but most people didn't know exactly what they were doing, and even those that knew didn't know why they were doing it
if there was a program for recovering and studying crash debris, it would probably be a Special Access Program within the Department of Defense, which means even organizations with oversight responsibilities (e.g., the SSCI) might only receive limited or sanitized briefings for reviewing budgets and broad compliance

 

[YouGuysAren'tThatSmart]

@fukefacedog

So the propose the Wow! Signal can be a magnetar. How the hell can you even prove something like this?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

@fukefacedog

So the propose the Wow! Signal can be a magnetar. How the hell can you even prove something like this?

It might be impossible to explain the original if it's a transient event, but if you have an idea of what to look for, you can keep an eye out for more of them.

A lot of interesting astronomical events involve things that are perfectly aligned with the observer (Earth) at a given moment, which can happen because there's so much stuff out there. For example, optically observing transits of distant exoplanets can only be done when the exoplanet blocks some of its star's light from Earth's point of view. 486958 Arrokoth (formerly racist Ultima Thule) had its shape determined by occultations of background stars before it was observed directly by the New Horizons spacecraft. Gravitational lensing involves an object bending light and magnifying a more distant object behind it. Gamma ray bursts are directional and the detected ones are traveling towards Earth. They would kill everybody if the source was close enough.

So if there is a cloud of hydrogen in just the right spot being hit by energy from a nearby violent object such as a magnetar, resulting in microwave amplification (at 1420 MHz), that could cause an interesting signal detection like the Wow! Signal.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2408.08513

The Ohio State University Big Ear radio telescope detected in 1977 the Wow! Signal, one of the most famous and intriguing signals of extraterrestrial origin. Arecibo Wow! is a new project that aims to find similar signals in archived data from the Arecibo Observatory. From 2017 to 2020, we observed many targets of interest at 1 to 10 GHz with the 305-meter telescope. Here we present our first results of drift scans made between February and May 2020 at 1420 MHz. The methods, frequency, and bandwidth of these observations are similar to those used to detect the Wow! Signal. However, our observations are more sensitive, have better temporal resolution, and include polarization measurements.

We report the detection of narrowband signals (10 kHz) near the hydrogen line similar to the Wow! Signal, although two-orders of magnitude less intense and in multiple locations. Despite the similarities, these signals are easily identifiable as due to interstellar clouds of cold hydrogen (HI) in the galaxy. We hypothesize that the Wow! Signal was caused by sudden brightening from stimulated emission of the hydrogen line due to a strong transient radiation source, such as a magnetar flare or a soft gamma repeater (SGR). These are very rare events that depend on special conditions and alignments, where these clouds might become much brighter for seconds to minutes. The original source or the cloud might not be detectable, depending on the sensitivity of the telescope. The precise location of the Wow! Signal might be determined by searching for transient radio sources behind the cold hydrogen clouds in the corresponding region.

Our hypothesis explains all observed properties of the Wow! Signal, proposes a new source of false positives in technosignature searches, and suggests that the Wow! Signal could be the first recorded event of an astronomical maser flare in the hydrogen line.

 

[BirdUp]

The issue with all this jib jab is it feels like Lue is giving a more zealous shock and awe than giving actual explanations. I could gripe about this all day, chalking it up to aliens acting like we’re not bound to the same rules they are is dumb. If aliens did exist we should be able to easily explain evidence given our knowledge of the universe. Saying aliens exist because a phenomenon unknown to you is quote unquote proof aliens exist then you’ve just trapped yourself in circular argument.

to be fair, aliens would have to be much more advanced than us if they can even visit us without generation ships, so anything that follows the laws of physics could be possible
that being said, everything that Lue has said sounds like bullshit at worst and guesswork at best

 

[fukefacedog]

everything that Lue has said sounds like bullshit at worst and guesswork at best

The Remote Viewing elements yes. I feel like this is a byproduct of an excessively opened mind, which is a natural reaction when your worldview is challenged. You start asking yourself "what else was I wrong about?". This opens you up to many possibilities. I've studied Stargate's documentation extensively and it simply is not semantically correct, it does not follow the known laws of physics or biology not just on one occasion but MOST occasions.

But I must admit, I do find many of his other arguments rather compelling. It's easy to be compelling when it's just theoretical, however.

This is sort of Lue's entire summary or thesis of the book, having looked at everything that he has looked at and discussed, most of which DOES have documentation like colares, the military events, the nuclear silo events... ect:

The simple fact of the matter is there is extensive documentation for most of the events he is describing here. These are events that are well known and well documented. That doesn't mean they are true. It most certainly is the crazy guy with a bunch of strings on the board meme, but those strings are connecting to real documented events.

And I do find that very compelling.

And based on the events that he discusses, if they are all true, I agree with his assessment here.

It does look like Initial Preparation of the Battlefield.

 

[BirdUp]

The simple fact of the matter is there is extensive documentation for most of the events he is describing here. These are events that are well known and well documented. That doesn't mean they are true. It most certainly is the crazy guy with a bunch of strings on the board meme, but those strings are connecting to real documented events.

all alien abductees are liars who want to be famous or people who have been duped into thinking their sleep paralysis or nightmare were the result of grays, objects presented as implants often turn out to be mundane things like shrapnel and natural bodily formations, and many cases of alleged cattle mutilation can be attributed to natural predation and scavenging by animals like coyotes, vultures, and insects

but despite Lue's choice of words and everything i've just mentioned, the footage released by the Pentagon and the accounts from pilots, military personnel, and air traffic controllers do suggest that UAP aren't weather balloons or atmospheric phenomena or whatever

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Jim Lacatski's response to NewsNation

Spoiler

https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/special-report-confessions-of-a-ufo-hunter/ (archive)

In response, Lacatski told NewsNation, “I was the sole program manager for the complete duration of DIA’s AAWSAP, September 2008 — December 2010, and worked alongside DHS in the follow-on Kona Blue program through 2011. Lue Elizondo was not involved in either AAWSAP or Kona Blue.”

Comments:

It’s true though. Lue was not involved in those programs. He was involved in AATIP. Careful wording.

In addition to what others have said about the wording it’s worth noting here that Lacatski has said publicly very directly during an interview with Knapp & Corbell that he is 100% against disclosure.

And yet he wrote a book where he definitively states the US has accessed the inside of a craft of non human origin. That is disclosure.

Former head of NOAA and Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet corroborates Lue Elizondo's statement about an USO in the ocean traveling 500+ mph that was bigger than an oil rig. "Both the USS Maury and USCG Bittersweet had similar encounters in the Pacific and Atlantic at the end of WWII"

LinkedIn post archive attempt: https://archive.ph/3VWtK

The Black Vault: The DoD Inspector General’s Evaluation of the DoD’s Actions Regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (archive) (Reddit)

Another email of note made reference to a recorded, approximate 25-minute duration, classified UAP briefing created by Stratton. Although this has been discovered before, the length of that video was unknown, until now.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

this thread = skibidiphrenia

 

[John Badman]

this thread = skibidiphrenia

Am I a skibidiphrenic if I told you there are devices both inside and outside the skull that can read brainwaves and control devices? Matell even marketed it as a toy once called the mindflex.

https://www.instructables.com/Mindflex-EEG-with-raw-data-over-Bluetooth/

We have the rudimentary technology for what would be called PK (psychokinesis), what is stopping aliens from being some technologically advanced species whose abilities we are just beginning to grasp? That doesn’t seem schizophrenic more so curious.
Sir Arthur C. Clarke puts it best with his 3 laws.

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.