EU Founder and CEO of encrypted messenger Telegram questioned in France - Telegram founder Pavel Durov detained on arriving in France from Azerbaijan. shit is VERY BAD

https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-fait...ee-telegram-interpelle-en-france-2316072.html ( archived https://archive.ph/edvkC )

Pavel Durov, the founder and CEO of the encrypted messaging Telegram, was arrested around 8 p.m. this Saturday evening when he got off his private jet on the Tarmac of Bourget Airport. This 39-year-old, this Franco-Russian was accompanied by her bodyguard and a woman.

The arrest was carried out by the gendarmes of the GTA (gendarmerie of air transport). Boarded at the FPR (File of Les Persons sought), Pavel Durov arrived straight from Azerbaijan. Above the head he had a French research mandate issued by the OFMIN of the National Directorate of the French Judicial Police issued on the basis of a preliminary investigation.
Why was he under the threat of a research mandate?
Justice considers that the absence of moderation, cooperation with the police and the tools proposed by Telegram (disposable number, cryptocurrencies ...) makes it accomplice of drug trafficking, pedocriminal offenses and scam.

This research mandate ran if, and only if, Pavel Durov was on the national territory. "He committed a dumpling tonight. We don't know why ... was this flight only a step? In any case, he is boxed!", Slips a source close to the investigation at TF1/ LCI. Since he had known himself persona non grata in France, Pavel Durov used to travel to the Emirates, in the countries of the ex-USSR, in South America ... He traveled very little in Europe and avoided the countries where Telegram is under surveillance.

And now ?
Investigators of the ONAF (National Antifraude Office attached to the Customs Department) notified him and placed him in police custody. It should be presented to an investigating judge this Saturday evening before a possible indictment on Sunday for a multitude of offenses: terrorism, narcotics, complicity, fraud, laundering, concealment, pedocriminal content ...

"Pavel Durov will end up in pre -trial detention, for sure," comments an investigator from TF1/LCI. "On his platform, he suggested an incalculable number of crimes and crimes for which he does nothing to moderate or cooperate," analyzes a source close to the file.

His pre -trial detention at the end of his indictment is in fact no doubt. Pavel Durov, a billionaire, has substantial means for fleeing and its guarantees of representation will hardly convince the judges.

A draft to international resonance
For investigators, this draft with international resonance with various objectives. First, it allows you to kick the anthill, impress and dissuade the authors of crimes and crimes which, so far freely, on Telegram. Then, they aim to put pressure on European countries to accentuate the common work to bend the encrypted messaging on terrorist files.

Indeed, Telegram is a hive for criminal content. At the moment, the platform is making the news with the illegal broadcast of Ligue 1. matches but on this encrypted messaging, many accounts are used by organized crime. Beyond terrorism, the most dangerous pedocriminals communicate on Telegram to exchange content. "For years it has become the number 1 platform for organized crime," comments an investigator.

 

[Safir]

Very good. Pavel Durov is a wannabe globalist ((()))-style (((citizen of the world))), except that braces are loyal to the braces state. He doesn't want a homeland, and he should be fair game for anyone, like an unaccompanied woman in Saudi Arabia.

It's about:
- not giving French glowtards access to personal chats
- not banning certain things upon French glowtards' request

He's a native Russian and a naturalized citizen of France. If he didn't want to bow to French glowies, maybe he shouldn't have pledged allegiance to them.

This is completely different from Assange, who was simply careless in his privilege and got tortured by foreign glowies, or for that matter from an Englishman tortured by pedophile Br*tish judges. He chose to submit to the frogs, and he should reap the whirlwind.

 

[AnotherPleb]

> Ofmin, which is responsible for combating violence against minors, had issued a warrant for his arrest.

They issued that warrant while his plane was getting ready to land, and there's no way in hell America didn't ask France to make the arrest.

 

[afounder]

Combining an extreme lack of privacy with an extreme lack of moderation isn't a great design decision.
Telegram is an excellent source for news, but it also has big issues that are going undressed. Apparently in a way that rises to the level of criminal liability.

I assume the people in this tread bitching about freeze peach are merely retarded and not pedophiles, pornographers, or scammers who are butthurt their business might get impacted, but as the recent high profile ban of that CSAM enthusiast from here showed, you never know.

Idk whether this was mentioned before, but telegram is used by the military for command and data sharing purposes, like doing BDA or calling in artillery or air strikes.
Discord is too, since it's such a versatile communications suite. It can even display live drone feeds and you can voice call and host files on it, have segregated servers, set up different channel visibility for different groups of people, etc.

Edit
I want to remind people that running a drug market place is also illegal, even in the USA.

You've never ran any platform or website before, and it shows

What you don't understand is that Telegram is a messaging app, where many messages are encrypted or hidden, and they can't necessarily act on every single thing on the app. It's an open platform that people register to use for free, just like Facebook or Twitter.

Just because people use your app/website for something, it doesn't make you criminally liable in the US, under Section 230. Other countries may have other laws, but it is generally understood that it's not very smart to hold the owner of a platform criminally liable for things that other people posted.

If they applied this standard equally, then they should be also arresting Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg, but we know that these things are not equally enforced. France is simply salty that Telegram didn't comply with their ridiculous censorship demands and they're trying to throw the book at Telegram's founder for not playing ball.

If "lack of moderation" was the standard for holding a owner liable, then places like 4chan or other imageboards wouldn't be online today.

 

[Adolf Kotler]

If the EU issues a diktat can a nation in the EU tell them to pound sand?

They typically threaten sanctions if a country steps out of line... Hungary and Poland have constantly been on the EU naughty list for refusing migrant quotas.

This is one of the main reasons why I voted for Brexit, the EU leadership is fully on board with implementing the Kalergi Plan.

 

[World in Scarlet]

They issued that warrant while his plane was getting ready to land

According to one guy on twitter who didn't link any sources and is known for spreading false information.

 

[AmpleApricots]

..but seriously, if you depend on a proprietary cloud service you even have to use your fucking phone number (if you use your own that's basically like using your ID) with to sign up for anonymity you get what you fucking deserve. There's like a million ways to be invisible to glowies and unsuprisingly, they usually don't depend on having your chatlogs sit on the computers of a third party via a proprietary software platform you don't even know what it works like. They don't care about pedophilia, I would even go as far as to claim that they don't truly care about this low-level terrorism (It just doesn't vibe with their usual shortsightedness). It's about power. If they cared about the former two things and really would believe in this arrest being just, they would also have to arrest Musk, Zuckerberg and everyone who ever ran a telecommunications company. They are suspiciously absent from this particular party because their platforms probably give all the access the governments want. Look into EU chat control. That's their goal. Apparently they can't get there in a completely offical and sanctioned way, so they turn to this gestapo shit. Also, if you think you are immune to this as an american, think again. Null is safe, because at the end of the day, this really is just an internet gossip forum.

Also if you think using bots is a puerly russian phenomenom, read random social media about articles on this arrest. It's like that time when Assange allegedly raped those women. Yes, I remember.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Swear null has sixth sense, he left Ukraine a year later blew up to smithereens, he left serbia and by default europe few months ago right before eu and their apartchiks started threatening Musk and now imprisoning telegram owner.

 

[AnotherPleb]

If they applied this standard equally, then they should be also arresting Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg, but we know that these things are not equally enforced.

Zuckerberg toes the line. The only reason Musk isn't being arrested is because without him America has no space program. Boeing's made that damn clear to everyone - the pressure to land in the Boeing plane was partly because the US desperately wants to detach itself from SpaceX.

They typically threaten sanctions if a country steps out of line... Hungary and Poland have constantly been on the EU naughty list for refusing migrant quotas.

This is one of the main reasons why I voted for Brexit, the EU leadership is fully on board with implementing the Kalergi Plan.

It's a damn shame that the British leadership saw that as their chance to go into maximum overdrive with importing people to replace the native people.

Swear null has sixth sense, he left Ukraine a year later blew up to smithereens, he left serbia and by default europe few months ago right before eu and their apartchiks started threatening Musk and now imprisoning telegram owner.

Null is the slobbermutt in the coal mine and I'm not wanting to see what happens when he leaves America.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

release my man he did nothing wrong

 

[Adolf Kotler]

It's a damn shame that the British leadership saw that as their chance to go into maximum overdrive with importing people to replace the native people.

It just goes to show that vo0o0o0oting on crucial matters makes no difference whatsoever and in our glorious "democracy" the powers that be just do as they please.

 

[World in Scarlet]

they can't necessarily act on every single thing on the app

We don't know the evidence yet.
It's possible that they did not act on reports of things that they were made aware of, or did not release information on accounts that commit crimes to the police (and the reporting is all about actual crimes, not thought crimes that would be legal in the US).
I think it's funny that one of the things they mention is that Telegram makes it too easy to make accounts for criminals, when the privacy for regular people is completely dogshit, by design.

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their apartchiks started threatening Musk

It would be nice if these "free speech" platform people weren't such scumbags. Musk for example got into hot water for by default opting in all users into having their tweets commercially harvested to train Grok without informing them that even happened.
But of course you'd never know that if your source of information for these things was Musk or one of the lickspittle fake news engagement farmer accounts he loves so much.

It would be really cool if the owner of a platform as influential twitter wasn't a Cluster B headcase who fell down the rabbit hole of his own algorithm.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

It would be really cool if the owner of a platform as influential twitter wasn't a Cluster B headcase who fell down the rabbit hole of his own algorithm

Do you honestly think would have been better if it was whichever of the cucks were running twitter before? He at least allowed some freedom and let some info flow or at least he would boost it on twitter like google fucking with trump related searches. There is only one type of person who can withstand pressure from governments, glowies and retards and thats batshit insane bdp man who wants validation and admiration from the masses .

 

[Adolf Kotler]

It would be nice if these "free speech" platform people weren't such scumbags. Musk for example got into hot water for by default opting in all users into having their tweets commercially harvested to train Grok without informing them that even happened.
But of course you'd never know that if your source of information for these things was Musk or one of the lickspittle fake news engagement farmer accounts he loves so much.

It would be really cool if the owner of a platform as influential twitter wasn't a Cluster B headcase who fell down the rabbit hole of his own algorithm.

You sound like an assblasted leftoid. Musk is 100% better than the woke faggots who were previously in charge.

 

[BABANGUIDE64]

Go sip some Seine water, E*ropean nigger bureaucrats
Btw Klishas and other Russian glowies (the whole state) gave up banning Telegram. French faggots continued their doings.

 

[Wry]

Good riddance.
There's absolutely 0% chance Pavel worked against Russian glowies since he'd be too dead to get detained by french fags. Telegram is a honeypot, always has been.

 

[World in Scarlet]

There is only one type of person who can withstand pressure from governments, glowies and retards and thats batshit insane bdp man who wants validation and admiration from the masses .

The issue is that he is influenced by those masses, and apparently by the garbage slop his own algorithm feeds him.
Many of the most popular accounts post nothing but misleading or factually wrong nonsense. This has wide-reaching impacts on society, as most people uncritically believe what they see online.

I think being able to say unpopular things on a public platform is good, but does anyone even see the things that go against the mainstream but are true, among all the things that are not in the mainstream because they're actually insane and factually wrong?
It's not just about what is getting banned, but also what is being amplified.

 

[snowdunes]

> issues with pedos, drugs and organized crime
> the FED is not able to put backdoors in is "the problem"

Didn't fix Discord and Googles (run and funded by glow niggers) complacency on this matter. They are just salty that they couldn't censor the spicy memes and Meta (Owners of Instagram and Facebook) Whatsapp losing users to a Russian made app.

 

[eudaimonia]

Whatever happens in this particular case, I think this shows the general tendency that any centralized service cannot be trusted and it's not "the future". I think as we go down this road everyone will find decentralized services more and more appealing.

P.S. Everyone shilling Signal should understand that it is a fully centralized messenger and thus a bad idea.

Yes, any centralized "cloud messaging app" including Signal and WhatsApp are also vulnerable to this kind of political pressure, if they haven't already been backdoored. The solution isn't to move to the next new centralized chat service, people who require privacy need to stop using centralized chat services altogether and move to federated protocols. These already exist, so go use Matrix if you want to be an edgy dissident and talk about whatever you were talking about on Telegram. E2EE should always be used if you require privacy (and it's supported by Matrix) but it's not sufficient when governments can mandate that service providers lie and modify their client to leak unencrypted messages without telling users. Not to mention that your presence in a discussion and other metadata can be incriminating even if they don't know what you said.

Someone also recommended Session which I don't know about but it's federated so worth checking out.

 

[Fapcop]

When Durov did an interview with Tucker, he mentioned how the feds were trying to recruit his people behind his back, once Durov had turned down their overtures.

Telegram is one of the last few platforms that is as free of THEM as you can realistically get, and I’m sure Durov was smart enough to plan for something like this happening.

But WHY THE F WOULD HE GO TO FRANCE IF HE KNEW ABOUT THE WARRANT?!

Did they lure him in some way? Or fuck with the plane?

It's about:
- not giving French glowtards access to personal chats
- not banning certain things upon French glowtards' request

How came that Durov was unaware of the charges is beyond my imagination. And if he was aware why he did landed in France is beyond my imagination either.

He was aware. There’s no way he didn’t know there is a warrant for his arrest, which makes the whole thing even weirder.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

he left serbia and by default europe few months ago right before eu and their apartchiks started threatening Musk and now imprisoning telegram owner.

Serbia isn't in the EU and isn't beholden to EU apparatchiks