Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[EscapeVorkuta]

there is no path for NATO to secure Russia's surrender, if the US sends ground troops to Ukraine the US is done for, legit, either they would have to send their diverse Nigger and Woman army and they would be stomped before they even got to Luhansk, or they try to draft White Men and the Government faces the biggest Crisis since the Vietnam War, at best what the US regime can hope for is a Korea-style ceasefire where they are at war and the current frontline becomes a heavily fortified DMZ

Why would any white men fight for any government actively trying to replace them? Let their imported pet chimps go and fight. No Russian ever called me "White privileged". What incentive is there to fight in a war now if you cannot be rewarded with coin and cunt and with the increasing potential to meet your end from some kamikaze drone operated by some fat slob slurping a big gulp sitting in an air-conditioned room? The weird thing is I don't even like Russia, I have just been driven to root for them because I detest our faggoty Western governments/politicians more.

 

[Meh123]

Then how come no critical infrastructure or military assets got damaged (or at least I hadn’t heard that) what was the attack on tel aviv for then?

They announced the attack beforehand, continued to overwhelm the best AD system in the area and hit all 3 targets they announced - an airport where the planes that executed the strike on the embassy took off, the intel building this whole thing was directed and they killed an iron dome launcher.
This was a symbolic strike, and got through the message quite well to those who would listen.

Don't be so hard on him. He had the misfortune of being born Canadian AND French.

Isn't he a serb?

>APC M113
Ain't no way they're sending those bad boys out in 2024. That thing is literally a 1960s aluminium cube on treads. Once again, they're sending things that get taken out by .50 cals into frontline combat.

As someone pointed out, an 1960 tin can is better than walking.

because they decided that Free Health Care was more important than having their own militaries that could project power

This is the most retarded take for multiple reasons.
1. it's not "free healthcare". Everyone pays a generic tax from their salary that is (supposedly) going to healthcare. The correct term would be flat tax or universal insurance.
2. I'd argue that keeping healthcare affordable to the plebs is more important than projecting power.
3. most EU countries are/was happy to keep it's military to defend its borders, and don't want to project power. That's an USA thing, because the USA empire choose to project it's power militarily compared to say, China, who does the same economically.

 

[Shallow Wave]

this thread is dooming too hard aint no way theres gonna be ww3 or dmz, ukraine is cooked and its not if but when ever since the whole thing started. Whats happening in kursk probably prolonged the war for another 2 years just to make sure that the only thing thats left of ukraine is Lvov.

 

[Desu Mountain]

Isn't he a serb?

No, he's from Montreal, Quebec. French Canadian.

 

[Overly Serious]

Vuledar will fall in the near future, Pokrovsk is in the foreseeable future (and Weeb Union keeps telling me this is a game changer for the front lines). Kramatorsk will take a long time, but then the same was thought of Avdiivka so if there's a general collapse by Ukraine: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . But whilst the timescales are hazy Russia is winning on the Eastern front, as it always does.

So what happens when it finally reaches the borders of the breakaway provinces? Does it dig in and say objective secured? (And if there are still Ukranians in Kursk by that point which I give 50/50, they turn their attentions to reclaiming that and reinforcing?)

There wont be peace negotiations so long as NATO-backed forces are on Russian clay. But once they're out, will Russia roll on or will they stop at the new borders of the four oblasts? Maybe they turn surplus forces not required for holding the lines to reclaiming the rest of Kherson?

I guess it depends on whether Kiev will negotiate by that point, but they'll have to. Even the UK's pernicious influence can't get Z-man to continue to refuse negotiations by that point, surely.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

I guess it depends on whether Kiev will negotiate by that point, but they'll have to. Even the UK's pernicious influence can't get Z-man to continue to refuse negotiations by that point, surely.

I don't think there's any limit to the number of Ukrainian lives the Ukrainian government and its Western sponsors are willing to sacrifice.

I get the feeling this stops when ordinary Ukrainian people say it does.

 

[Overly Serious]

I get the feeling this stops when ordinary Ukrainian people say it does.

Or there are none left. Honestly, whilst I'm not a deeply conspiratorial person the one about the goal being to depopulate Ukraine fits the facts so well I reluctantly give it credence. The behaviour of the West is so nonsensical except through this lens. Because the outcome their actions lead to are so predictable.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

This is the most retarded take for multiple reasons.
1. it's not "free healthcare". Everyone pays a generic tax from their salary that is (supposedly) going to healthcare. The correct term would be flat tax or universal insurance.
2. I'd argue that keeping healthcare affordable to the plebs is more important than projecting power.
3. most EU countries are/was happy to keep it's military to defend its borders, and don't want to project power. That's an USA thing, because the USA empire choose to project it's power militarily compared to say, China, who does the same economically.

!. That's never how it's portrayed, it's portrayed as Free Health Care in arguments, including by Europeans as a barb against Americans. It is, infact, the primary Europoor Cope. Well Acktuallying it doesn't matter.
2. America's health care system does have problem, almost all of them caused directly or indirectly by the US Government. Insurance became a thing under FDR as he'd placed salary caps on businesses during WWII, so they started offering health insurance to steal talent from other companies. The health care industry likes it because the system is allowed to be impenetrable to people on the outside. See what happened when Trump wanted clear pricing, the business side of medicine lost their minds. The other side is we have to subsidize tens of millions of illegal immigrants abusing our system, who don't pay. Same reason my car insurance went up. That said, our wait times for basic shit are short, if they exist at all. It's a flawed system, but if I needed something done quickly I could get it.
3. Serbia, Kosovo, Libya, the Bongs are always behind the dumb, high casualty shit the Ukrainians do. That's pure Old World cope because they're limp dicked but still want to pretend they matter. The US's Geopolitical interests are in the Pacific, Libya benefited both the US Dollar and the Euro, and the US has zero Geopolitical interests in the Balkans. Barely has any in Ukraine either.

NATO still exists because old, limped dicked Western Euro Governments need America to come in and carry them when their geopolitical gasps to demonstrate their relevance fail. That those sometimes also serve American interests is a side note. I have no doubt that actual Europeans would prefer America was out of their hair, Americans would generally like the same thing, but your governments want us involved.

 

[Black Spruce]

One of their primary objectives, up until this point has been to degrade the Ukrainian army military capability.

This goes far beyond Ukraine now. This is like the cold war. Countless proxy wars, espionage, coup d'etats, and threat of nukes. Ukraine will lose hard but that won't stop the greater conflict.

there is no path for NATO to secure Russia's surrender, if the US sends ground troops to Ukraine the US is done for

I beg to differ. This is how the West now views Putin: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/24/putin-red-lines-war-ukraine/

And you know what? They're right. Remember when Putin was threatening to bomb NATO members who supplied missiles to Ukraine if those missiles struck inside of Russia's borders? They did it, and Putin didn't make good on his threat. Remember when Putin said that he'll treat F-16s as nuclear threats? Well NATO gave Ukraine the F-16s and Putin did nothing. Now a NATO ground army is in Russia looting, raping, and murdering civilians and trying to bomb critical infrastructure, and Putin has done nothing except treat it as a front. Check this out: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...rns-ukraine-soon-able-attack-any-part-russia/

What do you think he means by this? Especially now that the narrative is that Putin has no red lines and is too much of a pussy to escalate? He means using US-supplied long range missiles to directly bomb Moscow, all it's critical infrastructure, massacre it's civilians, and destroy all of it's manufacturing centers. NATO has no hope of defeating Russia because Russia outproduces all of NATO combined. The way around that is to destroy Russia's manufacturing capacity, but NATO has always been afraid of doing that because Putin said he'll nuke if NATO-supplied missiles hit Moscow. Now they don't believe him, and if Putin's track record is to be believed, he will do nothing once those missiles start hitting Moscow.

Because Putin has been such a pussy in response to NATO's escalations, it's gotten to this. Surrender or it's nuclear war. Unless Putin does something drastic before the first missile strikes Moscow, those'll be the only options left.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

"Russian OSINT found the deployment of F16s in Ukraine!

They are (or were) based at “Ivano-Frankivsk International airport”!

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"Footage from there!

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"Original OSINT post

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https://ghostarchive.org/archive/d7ImX

 

[Fred Herbert]

Peak Ukrainian Air Defence, courtesy of the 108th Territorial Defence Brigade.

 

[The giant penis of doom]

As someone pointed out, an 1960 tin can is better than walking.

That also depends on context. Sitting in a tin can => all soldiers die or get wounded by a single explosion, be it artillery or more likely a drone these days.
Walking with proper separation => single casualty.

Of course sometimes it is worth to take the risk.

"Russian OSINT found the deployment of F16s in Ukraine!

Since we don't see them gloating yet, I have to assume they did not blow them up yet. Sad

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Because Putin has been such a pussy in response to NATO's escalations, it's gotten to this. Surrender or it's nuclear war. Unless Putin does something drastic before the first missile strikes Moscow, those'll be the only options left.

Mod-friendly version: You're saying Putin should stop winning the war with Ukraine/NATO and start the global thermonuclear holocaust of WW3 instead because terminally online Doomers are dooming about Ukraine temporarily occupying about 0.004% of Russian territory.

Fortunately the government of Russia is not so irresponsible. What do you think they are, Britain?

 

[There Is Light At The End]

Because Putin has been such a pussy in response to NATO's escalations, it's gotten to this. Surrender or it's nuclear war. Unless Putin does something drastic before the first missile strikes Moscow, those'll be the only options left.

Don't worry, after this kerfuffle ends, these Kursk invaders will be either trialed if the stay or defenestrated if they flee

 

[Black Spruce]

You're saying Putin should stop winning the war with Ukraine/NATO and start the global thermonuclear holocaust of WW3 instead because terminally online Doomers are dooming about Ukraine temporarily occupying about 0.004% of Russian territory.

Spoiler: Short answer. No.

Fuck off with that "so you're saying" crap.

Poking the bear needs to have consequences or the poking will never stop, and it will get worse. If this was just about Ukraine, it wouldn't matter. But Ukraine is just a proxy, and the ones who are actually calling the shots have repeatedly prodded Russia to see what they can get away with, and now because Putin has refused to make good on the threats he's made previously, they think they can get away with anything, and so you can expect it to get worse, which based on Zelensky's statements, I believe will be long range missiles targetting Moscow. This can be averted if Putin displayed his strength and willingness to do something drastic, like bombing the airport where the F-16s allegedly are/were, or by making a strong example out of the Kursk invaders. Then NATO might think twice before continuing to try and push Russia into a corner while cackling about how Putin won't do shit about it until his only option is the nukes. If you think that's doomerism, then you're retarded.

 

[Susanna]

A weak reaction to NATO provocations only emboldens them to double down, which only makes nuclear war more likely. The reaction needs to be hard, fast, and uncompromising, our enemy are animals and need to be responded to as such.

 

[Obsessed snowman]

This can be averted if Putin displayed his strength and willingness to do something drastic

What makes you believe that? Why do you think Ukraine and NATO don't want exactly that?

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Spoiler: Short answer. No.

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Fuck off with that "so you're saying" crap.

Poking the bear needs to have consequences or the poking will never stop, and it will get worse. If this was just about Ukraine, it wouldn't matter. But Ukraine is just a proxy, and the ones who are actually calling the shots have repeatedly prodded Russia to see what they can get away with, and now because Putin has refused to make good on the threats he's made previously, they think they can get away with anything, and so you can expect it to get worse, which based on Zelensky's statements, I believe will be long range missiles targetting Moscow. This can be averted if Putin displayed his strength and willingness to do something drastic, like bombing the airport where the F-16s allegedly are/were, or by making a strong example out of the Kursk invaders. Then NATO might think twice before continuing to try and push Russia into a corner while cackling about how Putin won't do shit about it until his only option is the nukes. If you think that's doomerism, then you're retarded.

Mein nigger, you know how you should know you're wrong?

A weak reaction to NATO provocations only emboldens them to double down, which only makes nuclear war more likely. The reaction needs to be hard, fast, and uncompromising, our enemy are animals and need to be responded to as such.

Because this chick agrees with you.

The point of the continual ankle-biting escalations by Ukraine and their butt buddies in London is, in large part, to provoke Russia into doing something "drastic". Taking the bait would be foolish. Putin has already done something "drastic", he invaded Ukraine and greatly expanded military spending, production and mobilization. There's over half a million Russian Federation troops in Donbass now, that's pretty drastic.

Russia is clearly winning the war, they don't have anything to gain from doing stupid stuff, such as openly attacking a NATO country or using tactical nukes in anger. You're dooming because you think Russia is somehow about to lose unless they lash out in ways that would further escalate and internationalize the war, endanger Russia's good relations with China and the "global south", and potentially lead to the abrupt end of technological human civilization.

As a fan of being alive, I hope Putin continues to be a "pussy", because once WW3 breaks out, billions of people will die. The densely populated urban areas of Western Europe, western Russia and the United States would be consumed by radioactive fire. We should be grateful that the Russians are so cautious.

 

[Black Spruce]

What makes you believe that? Why do you think Ukraine and NATO don't want exactly that?

I believe it because this is typical schoolyard bully behavior from NATO, and human psychology applies both at the small scale and the large scale. What would Ukraine and NATO gain out of a strong response from Russia? What are they gonna do? Sanction them? They're already sanctioned. Condemn them? They're already orks. More military aid? As if that wasn't going to happen anyway. Are they gonna declare Article 5 because a bunch of mercenaries invading Russia got killed, or that a military target inside Ukraine got bombed? No they're not.

As a fan of being alive, I hope Putin continues to be a "pussy", because once WW3 breaks out, billions of people will die.

If Putin continues to be a pussy, eventually he'll have no choice but to launch the nukes. NATO doesn't think he'll do it because all of his other threats were impotent and hollow. So next step for NATO's constant escalation is blatantly setting up long rang missiles and possibly even tactical nukes to launch into Russia. If you think "strong response" means "launch the nukes" then you're retarded.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

If Putin continues to be a pussy, eventually he'll have no choice but to launch the nukes. NATO doesn't think he'll do it because all of his other threats were impotent and hollow. So next step for NATO's constant escalation is blatantly setting up long rang missiles and possibly even tactical nukes to launch into Russia. If you think "strong response" means "launch the nukes" then you're retarded.

What do you expect we do? Steamroll everything west of Dnepr, turn it to rubble, kill every single human between Dnepr and Carpathian mountains? What it will achieve other than makes Russia and Russian look like a bunch of savages? USA went gung ho into their "peace keeping" operations and what did it do? Big whoop of fucking nothing