Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

We all suspect and fear the longer the Mandolorian continues it will start to connect to the sequels. It's all ultimately doomed because no one wants that shit. They may make money in the short term, but there will never be a legacy of people revisiting it.
I'm afraid this myth was largely caused by fandom Menance YouTuber's grift. There's zero reason to believe the myth that all Disney projects aren't connected to sequels. Why wouldn't they be? They all work for the same continutity, same company and under the same "story group", and they all get approved by the same higher ups. Wouldn't be surprised if all the leads had dinners and social events together.

The "selling point" of Disney is that everything under them is considered "canon," aka, in the same continuity. The mandalorian was pitched as being in between the OT and the Sequels. Obviously, the people at Lucasfilm have a timeline to fit every project alongside the sequels. The "division" of Disney Star Wars projects not in line with their canons is pure copium. People want to believe this because the mandalorian had a good start, but it's still a Disney project under KK.

This would only be possible if you believed that somehow Filoni and Favreau were in a secret civil war against the KK. An idea I have seen zero evidence beyond fandom menace youtubers farming for YouTube ad money.

To be fair, I do believe there are employees that, just like us, aren't happy with current Star Wars. Not long ago, a Lucasfilm employee complained and then instantly went into DFE mode once caught. But the idea that any project will "officially" be allowed to go rogue and against the wishes of KK, and her clique, and still be allowed to use their money and resourses, is just being in denial.

The harsh truth is, if you support one Disney project, you're supporting all, the sequels included.
 
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'm afraid this myth was largely caused by fandom Menance YouTuber's grift.

Wait, so you're saying there isn't a George Lucas version of The Rise of Skywalker?

My point was not that the Mando was breaking free of the Disney cannon. It was about whether or not it was to tie directly into the sequels. That it would ultimately be to the detriment of what they can be if they start to directly die into being a prequel series.

Of course they never went, "disregard the sequels." It however is not inconceivable it was meant to be its own little island between the trilogies. Set post ROTJ, but nothing that is meant to build up to TFA.
 
Wait, so you're saying there isn't a George Lucas version of The Rise of Skywalker?

My point was not that the Mando was breaking free of the Disney cannon. It was about whether or not it was to tie directly into the sequels. That it would ultimately be to the detriment of what they can be if they start to directly die into being a prequel series.

Of course they never went, "disregard the sequels." It however is not inconceivable it was meant to be its own little island between the trilogies. Set post ROTJ, but nothing that is meant to build up to TFA.
My apologies. I wasn't trying to single you out specifically. I just wanted to reply to similar sentiments I've seen online.

I suppose, it's not impossible The Mandalorian wouldn't be conected to the Sequels. But if they did, I doubt the reason would be "because some fans on the internet hate the sequels". The best case scenario would be that Favreau and the others want it to stand on its own legs. But I personally think this is very unlikely because officially all lucasfilm employees are working under the same continuity. Favreau included.
 
My apologies. I wasn't trying to single you out specifically. I just wanted to reply to similar sentiments I've seen online.

I suppose, it's not impossible The Mandalorian wouldn't be conected to the Sequels. But if they did, I doubt the reason would be "because some fans on the internet hate the sequels". The best case scenario would be that Favreau and the others want it to stand on its own legs. But I personally think this is very unlikely because officially all lucasfilm employees are working under the same continuity. Favreau included.

You're all good.

I think at best The Mandoverse will just have seeds of ideas from the sequels as they're too retarded to set up. How do you set up the Imperial Remanents becoming The First Order when it was then revealed they were really controlled by The Sith Occultists?

The Mandoverse is now somewhere in the 5-10 post-ROTJ timeline. TFA is 30 years post TFA. In TFA Finn's character was 23. He was born under TFO and indoctrinated from birth.. I think. How does that fit?

Luke Skywalker actually knowing people who are aware and participate in events that lead to everything just compounds his failure as a character.

It also begs the question, where are the characters in the sequel's timeline? Did they all die?

Which gets to something I have commented before. Grogu while a cute and likable character is horrible ill-concieved for a franchise with a long timeline. Does he just become a person and a completely new version at some stage? Or will he remain a baby?

The only thing that makes any real sense is that it ends with ending The Imperial Remanents threat and Thrawn being defeated. Then maybe just have The First Order as some distant and separate Imperial Remanents that isn't directly tied into the story.

The lack of planning for the sequels before TFA and then the changes while the trilogy being made is absolutely retarded and they'd be dumb to try and make sense of it.
 
I didn't realize they made two more 'From the a Certain Point of View' books, I had hoped they stopped with the first one. There is some lampshading in the book that the story's aren't necessarily true, only from a certain point of view. This one was the funniest from the first book, trash compacter monster.
 
The first Outlaws streams are going up and the game is even shittier than we imagined. An "open world" game where you can't leave the quest area. The player character is a scrawny woman who can punch out everyone. A cantina that can't unload LODs so you fall through the floor. There's no dialogue options. And if you thought Starfield's load screens were bad, you'll hate Outlaws. Even high end systems are getting over a minute load times. I'm not even going to bother with pirating this piece of shit.
From what I understand you can't even customize her with cool armor, at least that would have provided a cop out from the atrocious facial animations.
 
I didn't realize they made two more 'From the a Certain Point of View' books, I had hoped they stopped with the first one. There is some lampshading in the book that the story's aren't necessarily true, only from a certain point of view. This one was the funniest from the first book, trash compacter monster.
Then they essentially did the exact same thing with the space slug in the ESB one, so I can only imagine they tried to do it again with the sarlacc for the ROTJ CPOV.

From what I understand you can't even customize her with cool armor, at least that would have provided a cop out from the atrocious facial animations.
Actually, that reminds me of complaint I had about Jedi Fallen Order when I was watching my brother play it, the lack of costumes. Say what you will about Force Unleashed, but Starkiller would unlock new costumes at the start of every level, ones that were thematically appropriate for whatever world he was on, not to mention the ones you could unlock with cheats.
So what are your options in Fallen Order? You can change the color of the ginger's poncho.
Wow, how varied.
 
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Disney Wars in general is unplanned garbage. While it pretty much is all designed with the same level of malicious retardation as each other (barring neglected IPs and freak accidents), any signs of "civil war" or "defying Kennedy" are solely the product of it being unplanned garbage. They don't even bother to check in with other projects in the same company, since it's all self-absorbed incompetence worthy only of bankruptcy.

Simple as really. It's all Ratslop.
 
Disney Wars in general is unplanned garbage. While it pretty much is all designed with the same level of malicious retardation as each other (barring neglected IPs and freak accidents), any signs of "civil war" or "defying Kennedy" are solely the product of it being unplanned garbage. They don't even bother to check in with other projects in the same company, since it's all self-absorbed incompetence worthy only of bankruptcy.

Simple as really. It's all Ratslop.
But if I don't consoom this stuff as it airs, how will I know that the BIPOC lesbian force orgy was bad?!
 
Which gets to something I have commented before. Grogu while a cute and likable character is horrible ill-concieved for a franchise with a long timeline. Does he just become a person and a completely new version at some stage? Or will he remain a baby?
Obviously he goes back to the Nightsister Galaxy with Ahsoka, Ezra, and Sabine.
 
I saw two different topics yesterday on the Mauler and Drinker boards shitting on Traviss and comparing her run to modern Disney. Zoomies don't know who she is, while most of you barely seem to remember her reign of terror either, which is why it was weird to see her being talked about all of a sudden.
I know it's done as an epic own on conservatives who are secretly gay (all of them, even though it only happened twice! And it only applies to republicraps, just because a disproportionate number of homosexuals are also pedophiles doesn't constitute a pattern, chud!) but is the Empire supposed to be turbo-nazi hyperchud-pilled fascists, or is Space Himmler allowed to be a faggot as long as it's a(n open, well known) secret? For that matter why are the only two named Grand Admirals in Canon (where the Empire isn't just human-supremacist but white-supremacist and even more chauvinistic than Legends) an alien and a black woman?
Typical liberal doublethink. It's why Drumph is both a retarded baby who can't even tie his own shoes but also someone capable of subverting DEMOCRACY and stealing elections despite every facet of the government, media, and big tech being 100% aligned against him.
 
while most of you barely seem to remember her reign of terror either
I remember her, she just wasn't as ever-present or egregious as Disney was. What she worked on, besides the first Republic Commando book. Everyone at the time also agreed sucked completely and utterly. Also unlike Disney, she had the kernels of good ideas in (again, Republic Commando) some of her works.

What you also have to remember is that all of Legacy of the Force is garbage and that she was, arguably, the best author who worked on that series, with the other two being Aaron Allston (whose work was extremely mixed) and Troy "Bugslut Lover" Denning.

When they replaced her for the next series in the EU, Fate of the Jedi, which is somehow even worse than Legacy of the Force but has had a lot stolen by Disney, mostly thanks to Filoni, they ended up with an even worse female author; Christie Golden.

You also have to remember that Order 66 and Imperial Commando came out while The Clone Wars was airing, and I'm pretty sure it was the only alternate take to that sanitized, retcon-happy take on the clones and Clone Wars during that time, since Republic's run ended in 2006 or 2007 and nobody played the PSP-exclusive Battlefront games.
 
Grogu while a cute and likable character is horrible ill-concieved for a franchise with a long timeline. Does he just become a person and a completely new version at some stage? Or will he remain a baby?
He's in his 50s and he's still a toddler so I guess logically he shouldn't reach adulthood for at least a few centuries.
 
retcon-happy
Traviss was pretty retcon happy herself, if I recall.
-Trying to claim there were only millions of battle droids instead of quintillions (likely because she was so insistent that there were only 3 million clones. Not to mention insisting that the average clone has a kill ratio of 200 to 1, which is just absurd)
-Saying Fenn Shysa tried to convince Spar to pretend to be the son of Jango Fett, but failed and so he becomes the next Mandalore and doesn't ally with the Separatists like they did previously.
-The Mandos go from being wiped out at Galidraan to all of a sudden there's millions of them running around back on Mandalore.
-The City of Bones goes from being a temple to a failed amusement park that the Mandos just convinced the Imperials was sacred to fuck with them (and they just never found out because haha, Imps dumb)

There's probably more, but that's what immediately comes to mind.
 
Traviss was pretty retcon happy herself, if I recall.
-Trying to claim there were only millions of battle droids instead of quintillions (likely because she was so insistent that there were only 3 million clones. Not to mention insisting that the average clone has a kill ratio of 200 to 1, which is just absurd)
Yeah what she did was bullshit, but my point was more that TCW's retcons were a lot more reaching and a lot more influential. Traviss' stuff was usually contradicted by a reference book or a novel more closely tied to the movies like Labyrinth of Evil or even, IIRC, the AOTC novelization.
-Saying Fenn Shysa tried to convince Spar to pretend to be the son of Jango Fett, but failed and so he becomes the next Mandalore and doesn't ally with the Separatists like they did previously.
Fenn Shysa is a 1977 Marvel comics character, so retconning him is expected and probably for the best. Crossing over/acknowledging/trying to fit in Marvel Star Wars characters was poison to EU works, there's a reason most of it was ignored. IIRC Spar still allied with the CIS but every Mandalorian-related article on the wiki has been so thoroughly defaced that it's impossible to tell.

Anything regarding them not allying with the CIS should be from later reference books desperately trying to make Spar/Fenn fit in with TCW Mandalore.
-The Mandos go from being wiped out at Galidraan to all of a sudden there's millions of them running around back on Mandalore.
They were never wiped out at Galidraan, even in the Jango Fett comic, it's the True Mandalorians who were wiped out at Galidraan and later retalitory killings whittle down the Death Watch in response. Mandalore was still a planet full of Mandalorians until someone someday arbitrarily decided that the Republic committed genocide on them 300 years after the end of the New Sith Wars.
-The City of Bones goes from being a temple to a failed amusement park that the Mandos just convinced the Imperials was sacred to fuck with them (and they just never found out because haha, Imps dumb)
Again, that's from the Marvel Star Wars run, so retconning isn't that surprising. Also you could probably ascribe this to Tales of the Jedi and KOTOR toning the Mandalorians way down from the Marvel run. Which, ironically, Traviss' depiction is more like that in the Marvel run than their best depictions, which are TOTJ and KOTOR. I actually have to give TOR credit, along with Legacy it's just about the only piece of later SW media that doesn't do Traviss or TCW Mandos.

I really hate to run interference for Karen Traviss, but her main problems were an autistic hatred for the Jedi and a fixation on being taken in by a burly soldier man and turned into a rustic trad farmwife. You can also see the latter problem in how she depicts Spartans. She did make similar mistakes to the Acolyte, and worse ones at times, but her problems stem from a soldier fetish bordering on mental illness instead of having an inverted morality from prepping foundling actresses for Harvey Weinstein.
 
Yeah what she did was bullshit, but my point was more that TCW's retcons were a lot more reaching and a lot more influential. Traviss' stuff was usually contradicted by a reference book or a novel more closely tied to the movies like Labyrinth of Evil or even, IIRC, the AOTC novelization.
Fair point, I just think that both Traviss and TCWs retcons were pointless and annoying. I suppose at least other creators were brushing aside Traviss' when they could, they didn't seem to care for her much either.

They were never wiped out at Galidraan, even in the Jango Fett comic, it's the True Mandalorians who were wiped out at Galidraan and later retalitory killings whittle down the Death Watch in response. Mandalore was still a planet full of Mandalorians until someone someday arbitrarily decided that the Republic committed genocide on them 300 years after the end of the New Sith Wars.
The impression that I got (and to be fair, maybe this is an incorrect one), was that the warrior Mandalorians were all wiped out, until Spar rounded up a new batch from Mandalore and turned them into a new generation of Mando warriors.
her main problems were an autistic hatred for the Jedi and a fixation on being taken in by a burly soldier man and turned into a rustic trad farmwife.
her problems stem from a soldier fetish bordering on mental illness
No argument here.
 
I’m not that disturbed with the idea of Tarkin being gay. I think that it normalizes homosexuality in a better way than most media by showing that both good and bad people can be gay. Tarkin is a villain that just happens to enjoy sucking cock.

Much better than a rainbow flag wearing, high-pitched homosexual whose only personality is his sexual preference.
That just doesn't work, though. Nothing in the OT suggests that he's gay, and he even had a wife and a mistress in the expanded universe lore.

Making him gay is like making Samus Aran or Ellen Ripley into a man, just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
 
I'm afraid this myth was largely caused by fandom Menance YouTuber's grift. [ ... ] The "selling point" of Disney is that everything under them is considered "canon," aka, in the same continuity.
People running star wars now have said continuity/canon no longer exist as they super racist and queerphobic, so whatever needs to be changed to ensure maximum niggers, faggots and trannies in star wars will be changed.

So I think that's been extrapolated by people with a vested interest in profiting from the Abused Wife Collective into "no no Disney totally has abandoned the sequels, lucas film civil war, KKK on suicide watch in her basement office. 28 stormtroopers from the 501st pulling up in black AT-ATs. Shuttles are landing. Skywalker ranch is under lockdown, under siege..."
 
Fair point, I just think that both Traviss and TCWs retcons were pointless and annoying. I suppose at least other creators were brushing aside Traviss' when they could, they didn't seem to care for her much either.

The impression that I got (and to be fair, maybe this is an incorrect one), was that the warrior Mandalorians were all wiped out, until Spar rounded up a new batch from Mandalore and turned them into a new generation of Mando warriors.
It just doesn't make sense to me how Spar could round up a group of warrior Mandalorians that follow the Supercommando Codex when the True Mandalorians were exterminated down to the last man, as per the Open Seasons comic. At least TCW made sense in that the warrior Mandalorians were Death Watch remnants led by a younger relative of Tor Vizsla, Pre Vizsla. Karen Traviss' understanding of how you drum up armies seem to be entirely drawn from RTS games where you push a button and soldiers pop out of a barracks.

In reality, raising a full-grown man, let alone a soldier, is an endeavor that takes decades, especially when it comes to Mandalorians whose military training starts at childhood. For every one of them you lose, they're not that easy to replace. Which is why many warrior societies eventually fell in battle against large states with good logistical and population bases, especially since the latter can easily replace losses better than the former. We see this during the last war the Mandalorians fought against the Empire in the SWEU canon, where dudes in plastic armor overwhelm and decimate the beskar-plated Mandos because they've got numbers, logistics, and superior firepower on their side.

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I really hate to run interference for Karen Traviss, but her main problems were an autistic hatred for the Jedi and a fixation on being taken in by a burly soldier man and turned into a rustic trad farmwife. You can also see the latter problem in how she depicts Spartans. She did make similar mistakes to the Acolyte, and worse ones at times, but her problems stem from a soldier fetish bordering on mental illness instead of having an inverted morality from prepping foundling actresses for Harvey Weinstein.
I don't mind the love for Mandos that Traviss had, I even appreciate that she created the Mandalorian language, but it was her autistic hatred for the Jedi that even I, as a Sith/Empire fan, couldn't take. The Jedi had many flaws, but in their service to a corrupt and decadent Republic, they sought to improve themselves and do what was noble and right, hoping that their service to democracy prolongs freedom and a good quality of life for the citizens.

The Jedi Order's flaw was not ensuring that good quality of life themselves, leaving it up instead to senatorial bureaucrats and corporate heads, most of whom had no real interest to improve the lives of their subjects, which in turn wasted the victories of the Jedi. But the intent to do good was at least there, unlike the Supercommando Codex Mandalorians who saw everything as a paycheck, their leader would happily kill innocent people for money, like how Jango Fett tried to assassinate Padme in AOTC.

Which is why it's fucking hilarious whenever Traviss insisted that the Supercommando Codex Mandalorians were more honorable than the Jedi, when the Jedi would literally swear vows of chastity and poverty, giving their lives to uphold the state and protect the innocent, whereas the Supercommando Codex Mandalorians would literally kill an innocent girl just because someone signed their paychecks.

People running star wars now have said continuity/canon no longer exist as they super racist and queerphobic, so whatever needs to be changed to ensure maximum niggers, faggots and trannies in star wars will be changed.

So I think that's been extrapolated by people with a vested interest in profiting from the Abused Wife Collective into "no no Disney totally has abandoned the sequels, lucas film civil war, KKK on suicide watch in her basement office. 28 stormtroopers from the 501st pulling up in black AT-ATs. Shuttles are landing. Skywalker ranch is under lockdown, under siege..."
I see that as an opportunity, my friend. Disney's SW writers say there's no longer an official canon, so to me, that makes the SWEU just as canon and valid as the Disney SW universe, and any fan can decide for themselves what is and isn't canon, or even write their own canon that satisfies themselves.

In saying that canon no longer matters, Disney's SW writers unwittingly freed the fans from any obligation to them. Now any fan can write their own canon that takes in whatever they like from both the Disney SW universe and the old SWEU, or write their own canon with their own fanfiction, and it would be just as valid as anything Disney shits out.
 
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It still is impressive how much mismanagement of Star Wars has occurred. Not everything has been a financial failure, but they're still failures with massive mistakes in execution.

Is Star Was Lego the only thing that hasn't been mismanaged?

They've stuff up with films, TV, theme parks, novels, comics, non-star wars products and video games.
 
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