Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[The Punished Mitch]

China and Russia have their own population implosions inbound. The current conflict is more like Rome vs Persia, with each side exhausting itself while barbarians wait on the sidelines, sharpening their knives.

But do China and Russia make importing and worshipping the barbarians into the state mandated religion?

 

[Overly Serious]

Another thing a lot of people in this thread don't seem to understand is that it's not about the perceptions of the American people. The American people are disposible tax cattle with zero relevance or influence over anything except what the next bit of slop they consume will be. It's the American government calling the shots in Ukraine, and they're the ones who perceive Putin as a weak ruler who will let them get away with anything, which is why they've been doubling down and escalating. That perception has got to change.

This is somewhat true but they did elect Trump and looks like they're going to do it twice. That's hardly the hoped for outcomes of TPTB. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that there will be increasing attempts to bind Trump's hands by escalating before next year so that it becomes difficult for him to "back down". People still matter.

China and Russia have their own population implosions inbound. The current conflict is more like Rome vs Persia, with each side exhausting itself while barbarians wait on the sidelines, sharpening their knives.

I think I could credibly argue that Russia is getting stronger through this. It's provided impetus and justification to clear out a lot of corrupt, venal dead wood from their military hierarchy and to some extent their government too. The fact that military procurement and effectiveness now actually matter again has given Putin the stick he needs to beat people with. Economically, it's also given Russia and others a kick up the arse in moving global finance further away from US control. The US weaponising SWIFT may well prove the system's death knell.

Now if this war goes on year after year after year, then yes - it will drain Russia to the point of deeper damage. But right now I'd say Russia is more like a man who is getting a really good workout at the gym. Burned up some reserves, thinking about wrapping up, but no fundamental damage yet. Population will rebound as well.

The USA on the other hand has thrown a hundred billion dollars it doesn't have into securing Eastern European farmland and territory which it's not going to get. Not to mention pissed off Europe by first decimating and then stealing our industry. Perhaps worst for the USA, trying and failing to get its way sends a signal to the rest of the world that the USA isn't as all powerful as it thought.

Weeb sounds a bit like like a nerdy Kraut, but he also blurts out muslim lines ... where's he actually from?

For some reason I vaguely recall he is Baltic though I don't recall which. Brave of him if so given he doesn't varnish the Russia advances.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1941337/putin-panic-ukraine-ballistic-missile-destroy-moscow

https://archive.is/rwDIX

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1941337/putin-panic-ukraine-ballistic-missile-destroy-moscow

https://archive.is/rwDIX

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Express.co.uk? Really? That's the UK's more retarded version of the National Enquirer. I bet they have a story up about the aliens helping Putin.

 

[Overly Serious]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1941337/putin-panic-ukraine-ballistic-missile-destroy-moscow

https://archive.is/rwDIX

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Not saying this is without significance as The Express will most certainly act as a mouth piece for whatever the Establishment wishes it to say. But context for non-Bongs, it is arguably the worst British newspaper of all. The intellectual level of The Mirror with the smugness of the Independent and the fawningness of The Sun. I read an issue once when I was 21 and I'm still washing my hands.

EDIT: Also, their headlines always look like you're being shouted at by an evil Brian Blessed.

 

[Susanna]

Also, their headlines always look like you're being shouted at by an evil Brian Blessed.

I’m still disappointed BBC never made him a news anchor. He would have been the very best.

 

[Overly Serious]

I’m still disappointed BBC never made him a news anchor. He would have been the very best.

They wouldn't need to broadcast it anymore. You could just open your window and hear him.

 

[Male Idiot]

How would an Ukranian missile destroy the entirety of Moscow, hm?

The US isn't stupid enough to give them nukes. At best they could damage the Kremlin if they get through AA.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Radiation isn't magic. It won't kill all humans instantly everywhere.

No, just years later, like the Bikini Atoll and Nevada tests caused lethal cancers in young adults/children all along Western North America years later. The ones who survived did so because civilization survived; after a thermonuclear exchange there won't be any civilization left. No one has invented an Auto-Doc to date and even if they had there'd be no longer be any electricity to power it so humans would continue dying off decades later.

The 1961 Tsar Bomba was the most powerful nuclear bomb ever tested; the American tests are from the 1950s-1960s. Nuclear bomb yields have only increased since then. If humanity survives it would take us thousands of years to regain our knowledge and technology.

How would an Ukranian missile destroy the entirety of Moscow, hm?

Just hohol wishful thinking. They do that a lot. Giving hohols anything that could do what he claims guarantees a thermonuclear exchange.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

China is the best off because it is the most authoritarian. -6 million social credit if you don't birth for the party isn't an option for Uncle Sam.

Chinese women aren't having kids, and their sexual imbalance will make it so that their productive population is bound to decline for at least the next two generations. So I would say that, barring South Korea, they are the ones who will have it the worst demographically speaking

 

[Justsomecicada]

Chinese women aren't having kids, and their sexual imbalance will make it so that their productive population is bound to decline for at least the next two generations. So I would say that, barring South Korea, they are the ones who will have it the worst demographically speaking

Unlike South Korea or Japan tho, I don’t think the chinks are opposed to using Draconian and unethical measures to increase their birthrate if need be.

 

[Susanna]

The 1961 Tsar Bomba was the most powerful nuclear bomb ever tested; the American tests are from the 1950s-1960s. Nuclear bomb yields have only increased since then. If humanity survives it would take us thousands of years to regain our knowledge and technology.

Nah, modern bomb yields are significantly lower. The actual innovation is in something called MIRV, which simply put is an ICBM that splits into many smaller bombs and decoys. Modern warheads are also dramatically more efficient than the early ones you're talking about, there would be much less fallout.

Nuclear war is still a tremendously bad idea, just not because we'd be dropping humongous weapons on each other that then irradiate the atmosphere for centuries to come. Actual fallout from modern warheads is really very low. Humanity would live on, nations wouldn't. It's just that a world without Russia wouldn't be worth living in.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Unlike South Korea or Japan tho, I don’t think the chinks are opposed to using Draconian and unethical measures to increase their birthrate if need be.

That's unlikely to work. Even if you force their women to breed, the sanctity of an small child's life there has been completely eroded, the woman will simply kill the baby and feel no remorse if she doesn't want them

 

[Male Idiot]

Nah, modern bomb yields are significantly lower. The actual innovation is in something called MIRV, which simply put is an ICBM that splits into many smaller bombs and decoys. Modern warheads are also dramatically more efficient than the early ones you're talking about, there would be much less fallout.

Nuclear war is still a tremendously bad idea, just not because we'd be dropping humongous weapons on each other that then irradiate the atmosphere for centuries to come. Actual fallout from modern warheads is really very low. Humanity would live on, nations wouldn't. It's just that a world without Russia wouldn't be worth living in.

Mirvs have been around for a long time, but yeah.

Some rumors are about the Russian doom submarine torpedoes having cobalt warheads or warheads the size of the Tsar bomba, but so far there had been no general nuke that size because that's just not what they are designed for. You don't need that big a boom to destroy an army or a city, and anything more just makes the bomber slower and heavier.

If these rumors are true, this would make the Poseidon into the first really "apocalyptic" deterrent weapon, as cobalt is designed to cause maximum fallout for decades.

 

[Justsomecicada]

That's unlikely to work. Even if you force their women to breed, the sanctity of an small child's life there has been completely eroded, the woman will simply kill the baby and feel no remorse if she doesn't want them

Oh I didn’t mean like breeding camps or anything, just very aggressively taxing them into having kids, full abortion ban etc.

 

[Fapcop]

lol! “Sorry hohol! We’re fresh outta weapons!”




Of fucking course…


OHNOES! It looks like Russia killed one of the F16 pilots. And possibly one of the planes too.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Oh I didn’t mean like breeding camps or anything, just very aggressively taxing them into having kids, full abortion ban etc.

That worked somewhat in the Soviet Union, but the people there can barely support themselves as is, and even then the Soviet Union was a thriving moral society in comparision to modern China. They even had commie boy scouts for the kids

 

[Justsomecicada]

That worked somewhat in the Soviet Union, but the people there can barely support themselves as is, and even then the Soviet Union was a thriving moral society in comparision to modern China. They even had commie boy scouts for the kids

Yeah I feel that, their previous record on large scale social engineering campaigns isn’t exactly spotless either.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Nah, modern bomb yields are significantly lower. The actual innovation is in something called MIRV, which simply put is an ICBM that splits into many smaller bombs and decoys. Modern warheads are also dramatically more efficient than the early ones you're talking about, there would be much less fallout.

Nuclear war is still a tremendously bad idea, just not because we'd be dropping humongous weapons on each other that then irradiate the atmosphere for centuries to come. Actual fallout from modern warheads is really very low. Humanity would live on, nations wouldn't. It's just that a world without Russia wouldn't be worth living in.

That's correct but since its nuclear war each nuclear power would lob everything in their arsenals at their perceived enemies, even old shit. And that's counting all the other nations that have nukes but simply didn't bother to upgrade them that would launch as one last "fuck you' to whomever they think deserves it.

That's not taking into account their targets, and NPP/facilities would absolutely be on there so you'd have mini Chernobyls everywhere, and no one to mitigate them. The same goes for military facilities which have really awful toxic stuff lying around.

It's such a phenomenally bad idea to even think of using them.

 

[Fapcop]

That's correct but since its nuclear war each nuclear power would lob everything in their arsenals at their perceived enemies, even old shit. And that's counting all the other nations that have nukes but simply didn't bother to upgrade them that would launch as one last "fuck you' to whomever they think deserves it.

Russian nukes are significantly newer than American or French ones.

One Russian ICBM/SLBM has enough warheads to take out most of France for example. (Ten 500kt warheads).

While Americans seemingly mostly plan for an all out nuclear war, I’ve seen reports indicating that the Russian threshold for using nukes is much lower, and that they have plans for using tactical nukes.

In other news, good news from Krivoy Rog:

An SBU official and a little Polish Pan, are among the confirmed dead from a Russian missile strike. Pretty impressive intel they must have had.

For those of you who don’t speak cabbage, the tweet talks about the polack was very concerned about the situation for the Hohols, and how he was promised before deployment, that he’d be safe in the rear, far away from any danger and only teaching Ukrainian troops.

The little pan leaves a kid. Maybe he should have thought of his kids before going off to war.