Plagued Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

[miyuki]

Is shotacon mostly consumed by women or faggots?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Japan's everything statistics are low because they only prosecute those crimes that they know will end up in the guy ending up behind bars, otherwise their courts wouldn't have such a clean track record.

Bit of an "UHM ACKSHULLY" here, but Japan has an extraordinarily high conviction rate because their prosecutors are ruthless and have an incredible amount of power compared to Western countries. It's not necessarily because they're careful about which cases to pursue. Human rights groups in and outside Japan regularly criticize Japan's legal system as a "hostage justice system." It's fairly common for people to be arrested over and over, and kept in detention for a ridiculously long time until, they crack and cooperate with the prosecutor. There is no equivalent of the US 5th Amendment in Japan. Furthermore, their prisons are notoriously harsh. These factors lead to an element of deterrence.

I do not disagree with your point about high-profile people getting slaps on the wrist. My impression is that, for reasons that I do not understand, the Japanese don't see as much of an issue with this kind of pornography.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Is shotacon mostly consumed by women or faggots?

Both, but leaning more towards faggots. Bungo Taiga is a prominent shotacon VTuber that has a thread here.

Bit of an "UHM ACKSHULLY" here, but Japan has an extraordinarily high conviction rate because their prosecutors are ruthless and have an incredible amount of power compared to Western countries. It's not necessarily because they're careful about which cases to pursue. Human rights groups in and outside Japan regularly criticize Japan's legal system as a "hostage justice system." It's fairly common for people to be arrested over and over, and kept in detention for a ridiculously long time until, they crack and cooperate with the prosecutor. There is no equivalent of the US 5th Amendment in Japan. Furthermore, their prisons are notoriously harsh. These factors lead to an element of deterrence.

That's also true, japs will oftentimes try to force a confession out of you, but I don't think its the only factor.

I do not disagree with your point about high-profile people getting slaps on the wrist. My impression is that, for reasons that I do not understand, the Japanese don't see as much of an issue with this kind of pornography.

Japs are not a very conflictive people. If they can ignore a problem or an issue that doesn't affect them, they will to do so as much as they can, even if it involves stopping an active crime, like with the case of Ana Saito (being extremely brief, she was a middle-school girl who was kidnapped, on one occasion escaped, met a woman on the street and asked her for help, and the woman completely ignored her). Fighting on the internetover what shut-ins do is not on their lists of things to worry about, and possesion of child pornography was also not illegal until recently

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

That's also true, japs will oftentimes try to force a confession out of you, but I don't think its the only factor.

This is fair.

Japs are not a very conflictive people. If they can ignore a problem or an issue that doesn't affect them, they will to do so as much as they can, even if it involves stopping an active crime, like with the case of Ana Saito (being extremely brief, she was a middle-school girl who was kidnapped, on one occasion escaped, met a woman on the street and asked her for help, and the woman completely ignored her). Fighting on the internetover what shut-ins do is not on their lists of things to worry about, and possesion of child pornography was also not illegal until recently

IIRC, when the Japanese CP ban first went into effect in the late 90's or early 00's, it didn't even ban possession. It banned new production and grandfathered everything else in. It's fucking strange, to say the least.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I don't think (most) of these guys need to die because their problems come from desensitization to normal sexual relationships due too much gooning.

This logic right here is one of the reasons I so fervently disagree with the Abrahamic notion of porn as an addiction that leads to greater and greater depravity over time, it provides a shield to pedophiles under the pretenses that (1 it's not their fault and (2 it could happen to anybody at any given time and (3 they're hapless victims of a downward spiral they can't fight back against because their foot got caught on the outer edge of the vortex and finally (4 the notion that normal people are principally no different from them.

This "porn as an addiction" narrative is a very convenient shield for pedophiles because not only does it absolve them of blame but it makes them into a kind of victim themselves.

 

[Paranoia Machine]

You know what has always bothered me about this; it can all be brought back to one question
"Oh, it's okay to fantasize about fucking kids, but as long as you're not physically doing it; that's okay to you?"
And just watch them turn to monkeymouth motherfuckers trying to explain away their sickness

A pedophile by any other name deserves the same outcome. A quick and easy dispatching. But fine, since they insist on being better than the offenders, they get half the pain.
Peel the first 5 layers of skin down to the pink and then salt them. They won't die but they won't be thinking about kids for a while.

 

[Viper the rappah]

Niggas be like it's just a drawing , why are you giving a drawing rights and then second they see character with skin tone lighter they fucking rip apart the artist and ruin their lives
Oh yeah i don't remember which page was on sjw art thread but remember when twitter artist from iran got doxxed and arrested by government because twitter users didn't like x ship
Remember guys it's ok to draw people getting fucked by animals or kids getting fucked because they are not real but those skin colour edits making black man white are gonna kill all niggers. Best part is all these niggas act morally superior when it's only some pedo with small audience but no one has balls other than sharty to go against niggas like derpixon and skudbutt which both drew very nasty things.
I'm saying where is line between moral and evil for internet users because it seems like morals only matter when it's convenient for some

 

[Ted Kaczynski]

This logic right here is one of the reasons I so fervently disagree with the Abrahamic notion of porn as an addiction that leads to greater and greater depravity over time, it provides a shield to pedophiles under the pretenses that (1 it's not their fault and (2 it could happen to anybody at any given time and (3 they're hapless victims of a downward spiral they can't fight back against because their foot got caught on the outer edge of the vortex and finally (4 the notion that normal people are principally no different from them.

This "porn as an addiction" narrative is a very convenient shield for pedophiles because not only does it absolve them of blame but it makes them into a kind of victim themselves.

It doesn’t absolve anyone of accountability, you fucking relativist sperg
It’s a disease which has one cure, death.

 

[Kiwisee]

I don't think he's defending them per se, he's just massively optimistic. You need to understand that anime pfps (read; autists) sometimes are too trusting of people

Some Weebs are definitely way too open minded for their own good (I suspect most of the time, they’re only “open minded” towards Lolicons because they’ve been subjected to Twitter struggle sessions for speaking out against it).

 

[Sneeding]

Japan's everything statistics are low because they only prosecute those crimes that they know will end up in the guy behind bars, otherwise their courts wouldn't have such a clean track record. And seeing that multiple high-profile figures within the jap manga industry, like Ruroni Kenshin's author, Nobuhiro Watsuki, or Kenya Suzuki, whose main work looks like this

Spoiler: Moderately lewd

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got arrested for possesion of actual CP. I don't think that they are that squeaky clean

Kenshin and galko-chan reports of it was overblown by western outlets:
For Kenshin they made it sound like he had some hardcore child rape when it was photos he bought from the kids parents. There is also the possibility that he got those photos prior 1999 where the laws was uncomfortably lax in that regard.
For Galko he got busted importing refence books from Germany but the models where underage.
(Dont get me wrong everyone involved should get stoned for that but the way people were reporting made it sound they sodomized kids with a stick)
Take both my word and the jornos with a grain of salt because japs are fucking retarded and like to nuke their websites from time to time and there isnt many archives of primary sources(ANN was the only western I found that had jp news articles as refences, the rest either had zero sources or pointed back at another english jorno with poor sourcing)
Japan also favor to fine people when there was no children directly affected by it but those numbers still go in their records since they get charged for the crime

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Ok, we are all talking about this specific topic.
But nobody still mentioned about the subgenre of Shotacon called "Straight Shota".
I'm still not sure what's the target in that, besides pedowahmen.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Ok, we are all talking about this specific topic.
But nobody still mentioned about the subgenre of Shotacon called "Straight Shota".
I'm still not sure what's the target in that, besides pedowahmen.

EPI male kids, I can't think of anybody else

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

I hate to burst your bubble but that quote doesn't refer to children, it refers to new Christians.

It doesn’t absolve anyone of accountability, you fucking relativist sperg
It’s a disease which has one cure, death.

So do you support the slippery slope argument, or you do you believe that pedophiles are principally different from normal people?

 

[Kiwisee]

I genuinely hate the fact that pedophiles say they like Lolishit for the “aesthetic”.

“Loli aesthetic” doesn’t fucking exist. It’s called “Moe” you fucking degenerates. It’s a very specific art style that existed in the mid 90s to late 2000s, usually paired with simple stories of girls just doing girly things. It’s also worth noting that the media itself was primarily aimed at pre-teen to early teenaged girls rather than unwashed grown ass men who haven’t heard of deodorant.

The entire Moe genre being co-opted by pedophile tourist is a deep ice berg of sorts. It isn’t too unlike middle age socially awkward men corrupting My Little Pony back in the early 2010s to the point where no kid can safely google MLP without safe search on.

Any LoliFag who argues for “Loli aesthetic” is, ironically, outing themselves as the actual tourist. I think modern weebs would do well to gatekeep the fuck out of anime, to the point of calling for Total Lolicon Death for the same reasons Furries should be calling for Total Zoophile Death.

Sorry for the tangent, but seeing a genre I loved when I was 9 being corrupted by perverted grown ass men makes me very MATI. Give me all the top hats.

 

[miyuki]

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I genuinely hate the fact that pedophiles say they like Lolishit for the “aesthetic”.

“Loli aesthetic” doesn’t fucking exist. It’s called “Moe” you fucking degenerates. It’s a very specific art style that existed in the mid 90s to late 2000s, usually paired with simple stories of girls just doing girly things. It’s also worth noting that the media itself was primarily aimed at pre-teen to early teenaged girls rather than unwashed grown ass men who haven’t heard of deodorant.

The entire Moe genre being co-opted by pedophile tourist is a deep ice berg of sorts. It isn’t too unlike middle age socially awkward men corrupting My Little Pony back in the early 2010s to the point where no kid can safely google MLP without safe search on.

Any LoliFag who argues for “Loli aesthetic” is, ironically, outing themselves as the actual tourist. I think modern weebs would do well to gatekeep the fuck out of anime, to the point of calling for Total Lolicon Death for the same reasons Furries should be calling for Total Zoophile Death.

Sorry for the tangent, but seeing a genre I loved when I was 9 being corrupted by perverted grown ass men makes me very MATI. Give me all the top hats.

They also do this with chibi art style lmao

 

[Space Police]

“Loli aesthetic” doesn’t fucking exist. It’s called “Moe” you fucking degenerates. It’s a very specific art style that existed in the mid 90s to late 2000s, usually paired with simple stories of girls just doing girly things. It’s also worth noting that the media itself was primarily aimed at pre-teen to early teenaged girls rather than unwashed grown ass men who haven’t heard of deodorant.

Moe was always for pedos; you're thinking of shojo, which has been around since the 60s but got coopted by lolicons in the 80s to become moe.

 

[Begemot]

The sheer fact there are people on the Farms of all places who seem to have a vested interest in protecting loli or even AI generated CP in that recent A&H thread is astounding. Rest in piss @Suel Forrester.

Here's something that always sickened me with this shit from an artists standpoint I don't think people bring up often if ever is that a lot of these artists are probably using real CP for reference to get better at there art.

Yeah the @Suel Forrester thing was just wild, nigga comes out of nowhere with the old, "they're just drawings, chud" and your heart just sinks. He was one of those.

 

[lautaro]

"In addition, Section 1466A of Title 18, United State Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene."​

..."The matter involving minors can be deemed obscene if it (i) depicts an image that is, or appears to be a minor engaged in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse and (ii) if the image lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. A first time offender convicted under this statute faces fines and at least 5 years to a maximum of 20 years in prison."​

That sounds retarded and arbitrary. How can a drawing "depict" a minor? Minor where, in the US or the fictional world? Because they can be legally adults in the fiction. Also how could they prove it's "minors" those being depicted? What measure do they use, the level of flat-chestedness? Height? The character saying explicticly "I'm X years old"? What if someone draws Shauna Rae saying literally "Hi, I'm Shauna Rae", is that drawn "CP"?

The other paragraph is equally dumb. Who is to judge what art has "value" (according to who-knows) or not? The state?

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

That sounds retardeed. How can a drawing "depict" a minor? Minor where, in the US or the fictional world? Because they can be legally adults in the fiction. Also how could they prove it's "minors" those being depicted? What measure do they use, the level of flat-chestedness? Height? The character saying explicticly "I'm X years old". What if someone draws Shauna Rae saying literally "Hi, I'm Shauna Rae". Is that drawn "CP"? XD

The state, as it is the one who legally defines what is and isn't a minor, and it is a minor using US standards, as it is a US law, it also doesn't take into account the "she's actually 1000 years old" excuse, because the physical resemblance takes priority. Most of the times the Miller Test is used, but that one is mostly for photorealistic depictions of fictional characters that are/closely resemble minors.

The other paragraph is equally dumb. Who is to jusge what art has "value" or not? Who has a say on that? The state?

The courts, as it is their job to do so when it comes to works who may have criminal consequences

 

[Preacher ✝]

What's everyone's thoughts on the Nobuhiro Watsuki case? (the Rorouni Kenshin guy)

Spoiler: Summary of his case

As I understand it Watsuki acquired the objectionable material at a time when it was considered legal in Japan because the age of consent was lower, and then Japanese law changed, raising the age of consent, and he was caught with it sometime after.