Why So Many People Are Going “No Contact” with Their Parents - A growing movement wants to destigmatize severing ties. Is it a much-needed corrective, or a worrisome change in family relations?

By Anna Russell
August 30, 2024

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Illustration by Wesley Allsbrook

One day in the mid-two-thousands, a teen-ager named Amy waited to hear the voice of God. She was sitting in a youth Bible-study group, surrounded by her peers, and losing patience. Everyone else in the group seemed to hear God speak all the time, but Amy had never heard Him, not even a peep. Her hands didn’t shimmer with gold dust after she prayed, as others claimed theirs did, and she was never able to say, with confidence, “The Holy Spirit told me to do it.” She went home that evening, determined to try again the next day. A few years passed and she still heard nothing. She began to wonder if something was wrong with her. “God didn’t talk to me,” she wrote later, in a blog post. “I was afraid that meant either he wasn’t there, or I wasn’t good enough.”

Amy, the eldest of five siblings, was homeschooled by evangelical parents in the suburbs of Alberta, Canada. (She asked that I use only her first name.) She was bright, and happy, and remembers days spent reading “David Copperfield” aloud with her siblings. It was only when she left for college—Ambrose University, a Christian liberal-arts school—that aspects of her childhood began to strike her as peculiar. Amy remembers her parents telling her, when she was six, that her grandparents were going to Hell because they weren’t Christians. She grew up believing in creationism, and was startled to feel persuaded by the evidence for evolution in her college textbooks. She grappled with the “problem of evil”: If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, how can he allow so many terrible things to happen? “I started to diverge from my parents,” she told me recently.

Part of Amy’s original motivation for going to college, which she paid for herself, was to find a husband: she had been taught that men were better spiritual leaders than women, and hoped that a partner could help her hear God. Ambrose was socially conservative. No drinking. No sex outside of marriage. She found a boyfriend, but the relationship didn’t last, and soon she wasn’t sure she wanted to get married at all. She enjoyed her courses, and took such thorough notes that, on one occasion, other students offered to buy them. “Amy came to university like a sponge,” Ken Nickel, Amy’s philosophy professor, told me. “She wanted to understand.” On visits home, she stumbled into conflicts. During a family vacation in 2013, she told her parents and siblings that she didn’t think the Bible implied that it was wrong to be gay. “I think, naïvely, I was just, like, Oh, they’ve just never heard this interpretation,” she said. “And they’ll be, like, ‘Oh, my gosh, thank you for letting us know!’ ” Instead, as Amy tells it, one of her younger brothers became upset, and quoted Bible verses to make the opposite argument. Her mother sent her a letter expressing concern for her soul. During the drive home after her graduation, it came up that Amy identified as a feminist, and her parents began arguing with her about abortion. She cried in the back seat.

Amy attended law school, and a few years later returned to Ambrose to speak at an event. While visiting, she learned from the university’s president that her parents had sent him a letter expressing displeasure about Amy’s transformation. Their daughter used to be a “Bible quizzer,” they wrote, but now “rarely picks up a Bible except to highlight the verses that she believes say the opposite of their obvious and orthodox meaning.” Her mother said that Amy had a difficult relationship with her brothers, whom she now regarded as “misogynists.” If her parents could start over, they would discourage her from attending the school. “She used to be a calm and steady young woman but now suffers from a sometimes debilitating anxiety in spite of how faithful and unwavering God is in His support and provision,” the letter read. “She has turned her face from Him towards despair.” Amy told me that learning about the letter was “destabilizing.” She wasn’t yet estranged from her family—that would happen a few years later—but she found herself visiting less often.

Family estrangement—the process by which family members become strangers to one another, like intimacy reversed—is still somewhat taboo. But, in some circles, that’s changing. In recent years, advocates for the estranged have begun a concerted effort to normalize it. Getting rid of the stigma, they argue, will allow more people to get out of unhealthy family relationships without shame. There is relatively little data on the subject, but some psychologists cite anecdotal evidence that an increasing number of young people are cutting out their parents. Others think that we’re simply becoming more transparent about it. Discussion about the issue has “just exploded,” Yasmin Kerkez, the co-founder of Family Support Resources, a group for people dealing with estrangement and other family issues, told me. Several organizations now raise awareness and hold meetings or events to provide support for people who are estranged from their families. Becca Bland, who founded a nonprofit estrangement group called Stand Alone, told me that society tends to promote the message that “it’s good for people to have a family at all costs,” when, in fact, “it can be much healthier for people to have a life beyond their family relationships, and find a new sense of family with friends or peer groups.” Those who have cut ties often gather in forums online, where they share a new vocabulary, and a new set of norms, pertaining to estrangement. Members call cutting out relatives going “no contact.” “Can I tell you how great it was to skip out on my first Thanksgiving?” one woman who no longer speaks with her parents told me. “I haven’t heard family drama in years.”

Amy didn’t immediately confront her parents about the letter, but it snagged in her mind. “The topics that it felt safe to talk about just got smaller and smaller,” she told me. Amy recalls that they often argued about Donald Trump; she was upset when Brett Kavanaugh joined the Supreme Court, and more so when her brothers celebrated. On visits home, she took to filling a coffee mug with alcoholic cider. “Things were tense,” she told me. Her parents had already noted a shift when they wrote to her university, concluding their letter, “I don’t have the language to tell you how much we miss her.” Like many others, Amy would eventually go no contact.

When I was small, my mother used to read me a children’s book called “The Runaway Bunny,” by Margaret Wise Brown, the author of “Goodnight Moon.” Now I read the story to my own toddler. In the book, a bunny tells his mother that he wants to run away. “If you run away,” his mother says, “I will run after you.” First, he says that he’ll escape by becoming a fish in a trout stream, but his mother counters that she’ll become a fisherman and catch him. If he becomes a rock on a mountain, she’ll become a mountain climber. And on it goes. “Shucks,” he sighs eventually. His mother replies, “Have a carrot.” Since its publication, in 1942, “The Runaway Bunny” has never been out of print. The idea that a child might reject his parents is frightening. But there’s a question buried in the story as well: Is it even possible? If we make ourselves into a boat and sail away, will our family turn out to be the wind?

The field of family estrangement is still in its infancy. The tome-like “Handbook of Family Therapy,” a mainstay among psychologists, does not contain an in-depth entry on estrangement. “The cliché ‘hiding in plain sight’ is really appropriate here,” the family sociologist Karl Pillemer, who teaches at Cornell, told me. Kristina Scharp, a director of the Family Communication and Relationships Lab, at Rutgers University and Michigan State, defines estrangement as an “intentional distancing” between at least two family members “because of a negative relationship—or the perception of one.” Sometimes it comes from an accumulation of grievances. Other times, it’s because of one fight—for example, after a parent rejects an L.G.B.T.Q. child when they come out. According to a survey conducted by Pillemer in 2019, twenty-seven per cent of Americans are currently estranged from a relative. If you haven’t experienced it yourself, you probably know someone who has.

When Bland, a journalist from London, became estranged from her family, in 2010, she found that social gatherings became awkward. She began telling people that her parents now lived in Australia. Really, she wasn’t sure where they lived. When she was honest about her estrangement, people gave her “fearful looks,” she later wrote. “Perhaps because I embody what all parents dread—that their own children might also give up on forgiving and healing.” Non-estranged people, she found, often assumed that estrangements would end. “They think that it’s always reconcilable,” she said. “I think that’s an idealism. It’s based on a myth that families all really love each other.” In 2012, Bland wrote about her estrangement for the Guardian, hoping to give others permission to make the same choices if necessary. “I didn’t [walk] away from my own situation at a younger age than I did, for fear of being judged,” she wrote. After the article was published, she heard from dozens of people who had also cut out their families. “I became aware that everybody felt really alone,” she said.

Stand Alone, which Bland founded soon afterward, ran support groups, conducted research, and offered practical advice for estranged individuals. Young people out of touch with their parents “couldn’t get a student loan, or they didn’t have a guarantor to co-sign for a lease,” Bland said. The organization successfully campaigned in the U.K. to make it easier for estranged university students to get financial aid. In the U.S., similar groups have also sprung up. Together Estranged, founded by the entrepreneur Seth Forbes, in 2020, holds monthly virtual support groups, and special sessions around the holidays. Family Support Resources, founded by Kerkez and her husband in 2019, hosts an annual “Moving Beyond Family Struggles” summit, and offers guidebooks and private coaching. Communities online have developed their own lingo: “LC” stands for “low contact,” “VLC” for “very low contact,” and “NC” for “no contact.” The Reddit forum r/EstrangedAdultChild now has more than forty thousand members. Another group, r/raisedbynarcissists, is creeping toward a million.

Advocates argue that we tend to support someone who leaves a bad partner, but look at families differently. “We are inundated in a culture that is obsessed with biology,” Scharp told me. “We’re told things like ‘Blood is thicker than water’ and ‘A family is forever.’ So, if you have a happy family, it’s really hard to imagine estrangement.” She said that, when people hear about estranged families, they think, “ ‘All families fight. Families forgive each other.’ Yeah, I mean, sometimes.” When someone discloses an estrangement, Scharp doesn’t say, “I’m so sorry.” Instead, she asks, “How do you feel about that?”

Amy has curly brown hair, wears glasses, and speaks in an efficient manner. She is passionate about social justice and runs a law practice in Calgary targeting police and prison misconduct. “She definitely has strong views,” her cousin Robyn told me. “She will stand up for the thing that she thinks is right.” When Amy and I spoke one day, she was walking her rescue dog in the park. That afternoon, she was hosting a fund-raising barbecue. “We have, like, two cubic feet of chicken wings,” she said.
By 2019, the year after Amy graduated from law school, she had a new boyfriend, Peter, a Jewish social worker. Once, she told me, she mentioned making breakfast with him, and her mother said that she didn’t appreciate finding out that way that the two were sleeping together. Amy took a job in the far northern reaches of Canada. She was making a good salary and she offered to bring her parents north for a visit, but the timing never quite worked out. Then the pandemic began, and travel stalled. Peter proposed to Amy in June, 2020. They had a video call with Amy’s parents, who seemed happy for them, and the couple set the wedding for September, 2021, hoping that a vaccine would be available by then.

Two years earlier, Amy had told her parents that she knew about their letter to Ambrose, and in 2020, at a gathering for a relative who had passed away, her mother asked if they could talk it over. She e-mailed the letter to Amy, who hadn’t yet read it. “This is risky, but I feel like the unknown has not helped us,” Amy’s mother wrote. “I hope you’ll give me a chance to explain the dark place I was in. I wish I’d never written it. Let me know when you’re ready to talk. Love, Mom.” Amy didn’t want to read the letter, so she had a friend summarize it for her. “I’m really hurt that you wrote these things about me,” she wrote back to her mother. “I am struggling with all the feelings this brought up for me, but I’m ready to talk.” When they talked, though, the conversation devolved into an argument. At one point, Amy asked if her mother believed that she was going to Hell, and her mother said yes. Amy’s take: “There’s a sense in which that feels like the most loving thing to say, because it feels like the truth.” Still, it stung. “Like, nothing else I do as a human being is going to be important to you, as long as I don’t ascribe to this particular belief,” Amy said. (Her parents and most of her siblings did not respond to multiple requests for comment. One sibling declined to comment.)

Amy was still close with a younger sister; they had recently travelled together in Europe. Peter wrote Amy’s mother letters, hoping they could become pen pals. In one, he shared some news: he had recently donated sperm to a same-sex couple, friends of his, who were now expecting, and he would be involved in the baby’s life as an uncle-like figure. “That’s kind of when the pen-pal relationship stopped,” Peter told me. Amy believed that her parents were “backing away” from her and Peter’s lives. The following spring, Amy’s parents told her that they would not be getting vaccinated against COVID-19. Amy’s mother had long been ambivalent about vaccines, but Amy had come to see them as vital. While shopping for dresses together, Amy’s younger sister, a bridesmaid, went in for a hug and seemed confused when Amy didn’t reciprocate. (Amy and Peter were observing strict social distancing.) “It was a pretty tense three months from that point on,” Peter told me.

The couple wanted to get married at Peter’s synagogue, which required vaccinations. Some of their friends, Amy told me, also feared bringing children to a wedding where some guests would be unvaccinated. In June, she sent an e-mail to her family telling them they would need to get vaccinated to attend, then left for a weeklong camping trip. She returned to a series of upsetting e-mails. Amy’s sister accused her of being selfish, and prioritizing friends over family. They fought on the phone, and Amy eventually told her she couldn’t be a bridesmaid. They haven’t spoken since. Peter, who had lost his mother and brother, tried to talk to Amy’s siblings. “The scariest thing to us is losing another family member,” he wrote to one. Briefly, they discussed alternatives. Amy suggested her parents could throw their own celebration. Amy’s mother asked if the synagogue’s leaders would let them come through a separate entrance, and keep their distance from the other guests. “I beg of you, do not respond to this imperfect email with anger,” she pleaded. “Please see the love behind it. In the last few years, I have felt such reserve from you whenever we are in the same room. I have come to believe that you would prefer to not have me in your life at all. Is that true?” Amy responded with a short e-mail of her own. “This is the only response I have for you about vaccinations and our wedding,” she wrote. There were two choices: get vaccinated and attend, or don’t. “I can’t help you deal with your feelings about this choice or make it for you,” she wrote, curtly. “Please do not keep trying to discuss this further with me.”

The wedding ceremony, Amy told me, was “amazing.” She and Peter were married under a chuppah, and their friends lifted them up during the hora. Her maternal grandmother, who was not religious, walked her down the aisle. “It was wonderful,” Nickel, Amy’s former professor, who attended with his wife, told me. The engaged couple had asked guests, in lieu of giving gifts, to donate to UNICEF’s vaccine fund. But Amy’s parents did not attend, nor did most of her siblings. Through a relative, she heard that the family was staying in an Airbnb close to the venue, as originally planned. One vaccinated younger brother arrived bearing a gift from the family: a duvet. Amy had set up a live stream of the ceremony, and she wondered if the others were watching.

For a period after the wedding, Amy and Peter tried out a low-contact relationship with Amy’s family. They sent cards back and forth. She and Peter had moved back to Calgary, and, at Christmas, her parents dropped a wreath at her door. That winter, however, the brother who had attended the wedding sent Amy an e-mail calling her actions manipulative and immature, but expressing a desire to bring the family back together. He asked if they might have a phone call, but Amy, responding much later, said no. She wrote back, cc’ing the rest of her family, asking them not to contact her again unless there was a medical emergency. (She told me, when I questioned this reaction, “I don’t allow other people to treat me that way. Why should family members get a pass?”) “Do not call, text, or email us,” she wrote. “Do not send us gifts, packages, letters, or deliveries. Do not come to our home. Do not use other individuals or extended family members to communicate with us by proxy.” Another brother wrote back calling her a “bitter self-obsessed psycho.” He told her, “Have a good life.”

In interviews with nearly a dozen people who have little or no contact with certain family members, I heard a wide range of explanations. One woman had spent much of her twenties coming to terms with sexual abuse from her father, before cutting ties with her entire extended family. (Many interviewees, citing privacy concerns, did not want to be identified by name.) Other fissures were harder to trace. Some people felt ignored or misunderstood by their parents, or believed that a sibling had always been the family’s favorite. Several described a family member as a “classic narcissist” or as “toxic.”

For some, going no contact felt like a weight lifted. “You get this clarity,” one woman, who had distanced herself from her parents because of her father’s rage and substance abuse, told me. She described the experience as pressing Pause on a tape she had heard over and over again since childhood. “You get to silence all of that. And you get to just know who you are.” Another woman had cut contact with her mother and brother in part because she didn’t feel as though she could be herself with them. “I feel like I’m not heard, I’m not seen,” she said. Since pausing their relationship, she told me that life “has been easier—much, much easier.” But, like many people I spoke with, her newfound freedom came with guilt: “There are still days when I doubt myself. What if I invented it all? Or what if I just understood wrong? Or what if they mean well?”

On TikTok, some estranged young people express distress and sadness, but others testify to the mental-health benefits of going no contact. Many describe a life with less anxiety and more self-respect; some provide advice about how to break from your parents. In the Reddit forums, people post long descriptions of family entanglements and ask for advice, or just vent about daily life. (Sample post: “Has anyone ever had a good response to, ‘I will pray for you’?”) I spoke with a university student who had cut ties with her parents and brother, and she told me that the forums were “instrumental to me not feeling alone.” She got practical tips on changing her credit cards, and applying for financial aid. She wrote her own will, moved, and warned friends not to tell her parents where she’d gone. She told me, of reading stories about people who had chosen estrangement, “I think that was one of the main reasons I was able to find the strength to do this.”

As anyone who has spent time on Reddit knows, posting there can be validating. You can spill your guts and be affirmed. You can rage. When there’s nowhere else to turn, this is helpful—maybe even lifesaving. But, scrolling through no-contact communities, one can find it hard to avoid the fact that posters are not exactly unbiased. Some are vigilant about not allowing parents into the forums, and sometimes they advocate a slash-and-burn approach to complex relationships. One poster described feeling torn about going no contact because their parents “are nicer now.” “If anyone BUT your parents treated you this way, everyone would say Kick em to the curb!!!” one commentator responded. Certain texts circulate like touchstones. A blog post titled “The Missing Missing Reasons” argues that parents willfully disregard their children’s reasons for cutting ties. “If you’re an estranged adult child and you’re looking for a way to get your parents to hear what the problem is, I’m sorry, but you have your answer already,” the author writes.

Also popular is the work of Sherrie Campbell, a psychologist in California who has written several books on cutting ties with family members. Campbell told me that her practice is “full of healthy people trying to figure out how to cope with the toxic people in their lives.” She started writing about estrangement after breaking with her own family, in her forties, because she came to see them as toxic, and she offers readers blunt advice on how to do the same. (“Power is a toxic person’s drug,” she writes. And, “Selfishness and parenting cannot coexist.”) Campbell doesn’t see a lot of reconciliations. “Most people walking into my office have reached a place where they’re helpless, and hopeless to change the relationship,” she said. Campbell told me that toxic people are different from flawed people. “I mean, I’m a parent. I’m flawed,” she said. But toxic people “are very bad people with good moments. They’re not good people with bad moments.” I wondered where the line was. Campbell told me that toxic parents often use the phrase “Because I’m your parent” to justify their behavior. But other parents—tired, frustrated, burned out—say that, too.

Support groups can be more nuanced. One middle-aged man from London, who became estranged from his family as a result of a “communication breakdown,” told me that he found Stand Alone sessions helpful, but wished they offered more advice for people feeling unsure about their choices. “You’ve got people who are estranged, but they’re really happy,” he said. “But then you’ve got sort of the middle category of people who are estranged that either want to not be estranged or don’t know if they want to be.” He counted himself in the latter group. Often, “there isn’t really necessarily a good reason for the estrangement, but rather many misunderstandings along the way,” he told me. “And then, after a while, it’s just too much time under the bridge.”

Recently, I sat in on an online support group hosted by Together Estranged. People had called in from Ohio, New York, California, and Nova Scotia. One woman had cut out her family for the second time, three years earlier, and seemed content. “I remain very, very O.K. with it,” she said. But another woman, who was estranged from her parents, said that she had to learn of her father’s death through an acquaintance. “If I sit with it, then I will continue to spin, like, What could I do? What can be done? Is there any angle? Is there a letter?” she said. Another participant shared that her childhood dog had recently died: “The urge is to kind of go back and seek comfort in the same people, and you realize, well, you left for a reason.” A moderator said that she recognized the impulse to get back in touch. “When you have estrangement, you know, the person’s still alive,” she said. “So it kind of has this itchy feeling to it.”

The thing about listening to someone’s else’s family drama is that it’s really none of your business. Nevertheless, we all have opinions. While reporting this story, I sometimes found my allegiances shifting. When I spoke to adult children who had found some peace after distancing themselves from their parents, I felt relieved. But when I spoke to a mother who had not heard from her daughter in more than ten years—who didn’t know where she was, or how she was doing—I felt her pain, keenly. They had always been close, but they clashed after her daughter finished university and wanted to travel on her own. One day, the mother received a text from her daughter asking her not to contact her again. “And that was it,” she said. “When it first happened to me, I really didn’t know what I’d done. . . . But I can see now, with the help of a lot of therapy, things that weren’t good, and weren’t right.” She hoped to speak with her daughter again, “even if it’s only one conversation.” I asked her what kind of relationship she would be willing to accept. “I’d accept anything,” she said. “Anything would be better than this.”

Joshua Coleman, a clinical psychologist and the author of “Rules of Estrangement: Why Adult Children Cut Ties and How to Heal the Conflict,” spent several years estranged from his daughter, following a second marriage and the birth of his younger children, and described the experience as “nightmarish.” “I found myself daily rehearsing every parental mistake I’d ever made,” he wrote. “It was frightening, it was heartbreaking, it was guilt-inducing, it was shame-inducing,” he told me. He and his daughter have since reconciled, and he now helps parents figure out life after being cut off. Mostly, they are devastated. “Every day, I’m dealing with parents, or mothers in particular, who are just sobbing on the call with me,” he said. “The amount of grief that the parent feels is really hard to describe.” Some take responsibility for what happened, but “some are, frankly, confused.” Bland, who founded Stand Alone, runs video courses for estranged parents with titles like “What Does the Silence Mean? I Don’t Know What Happened!” and “What Is the Younger Generation Thinking?!”

Coleman believes that estrangement is becoming more common, in part because of “changing notions of what constitutes harmful, abusive, traumatizing or neglectful behavior.” He cited a paper by the psychologist Nick Haslam that showed that the definition of trauma has expanded in the past three decades to include experiences that were once considered ordinary. “The bar for qualifying as a trauma today is much lower,” Coleman writes. He’s seen parents cut out because they say negative things about a child’s sexuality, or romantic partner, or because they refuse to accept a child’s boundaries. A growing number of his clients cite political differences as a reason for estrangement. In “Rules of Estrangement,” Coleman devotes a chapter to the prevalence of psychotherapy—subhead: “My Therapist Says You’re a Narcissist”—and concludes that “therapists’ perspectives often uncritically reflect the biases, vogues, and fads of the culture in which we live.” In a culture that values independence, in other words, a therapist might advise a clean break. “Today, more than at any other time in our nation’s history, children are setting the terms of family life in the United States,” he writes.

The phenomenon may also be related to broader changes in how we think about the family. Bland has noticed a generational divide. Older people often have a sense of duty when it comes to family, and this means that “they won’t break relationships even if they find them very dysfunctional,” she told me. Parents tell her that they tolerated worse behavior from their own parents. But members of younger generations “feel that they need healthy relationships, rather than any relationship.” They don’t see family relationships as mandatory. Coleman told me that divorce often plays a role. The liberalization of divorce law in the seventies helped people escape terrible marriages, but divorces can also provoke feuds, introduce new allegiances, and “cause the child to feel more like the parents are individuals, with their own assets and liabilities, rather than a family unit that they’re a part of.” There’s been a shift away from “honor thy mother and father,” Coleman said, and toward notions of happiness and mental health. “In some ways, the ideals we now have for romantic love are really parallel to the ideals we have for parent-adult-child relationships.”

Some critics think the movement has gone too far. Do we owe our parents more than we owe romantic partners? Few would argue that one should continue a relationship with a parent when it involves physical or sexual abuse. And yet many estrangements happen for other reasons, including emotional abuse or toxic behavior—more difficult terms to define—or differences in world view. It can sometimes be unpleasant, even horrible, to hang out with your parents. And yet severing ties can also cause harm. What is lost when we render our families optional? Isn’t part of the point of your relationship with your mom that, even if she aggravates you, you still pick up the phone?

The problem with calling someone “toxic,” Karl Pillemer, the Cornell sociologist, told me, is that “it’s completely in the eye of the beholder.” No one self-identifies as toxic. “It’s a label applied to someone by someone who is angry at the other person.” The term also forecloses the possibility of bridging the divide. “If you consider a family tie toxic, then there’s no reason anymore to try to work on it or to consider the other person as a human being,” he said. The loss of the relationship can also hit the parent harder. Pillemer, who has written a book titled “Fault Lines: Fractured Families and How to Mend Them,” told me that “parents, on average, care much more” about the parent-child relationship. “If you ask older parents and their adult children, ‘How important is this relationship to you? How central is it to your life? How upset are you if you can’t see the other person? How much is your identity bound up in the relationship?,’ older parents are much stronger in those views than their adult children are,” he said. “You’ve invested for years in your children.” Meanwhile, adult children have “many competing roles, many competing responsibilities. It’s structurally easier for them to exit the relationship than it is for parents.”

On the forums, though, even the mention of reconciliation can be triggering. One poster said that they had been contacted by Coleman on behalf of their mother, who wanted to reconcile; commentators derided Coleman as “callous” and a “flying monkey.” But sometimes reconciliation is possible. Pillemer mentioned the scene in “Sleeping Beauty” in which the princess pricks her finger and suddenly everything in the castle stops. “The musicians are in mid-bow stroke, the dancers are in mid-leap—everything freezes,” he said. “That’s what happens in estrangement. Over five, or ten, or fifteen years, the situation is frozen in the mind.” He acknowledged that there are exceptions—relationships that can’t or shouldn’t be saved—but, in many cases, people continue to grow while apart, and sometimes this allows them to reconnect.

When Coleman works with parents who want to reconcile with an estranged child, he will typically ask them to write an “amends” letter, to see if a dialogue might be opened. The letter might acknowledge mistakes, and note, “I know that you wouldn’t have cut off contact unless it was the healthiest thing for you to do.” If the child agrees to attend family therapy, and the parent is willing to respect the child’s boundaries in terms of when and how often they speak, the chances of reconciliation are “extremely high,” he told me. Bland has now left Stand Alone and offers private coaching, where she often brings estranged adult children and their parents back into conversation. “That can be very powerful for them,” she said, of the children. “To have the opportunity to say something that they’ve needed to say for quite a long time.”

After Amy cut ties with her parents and siblings, she blocked their e-mail addresses and phone numbers. It has been more than two years since she has spoken with them. “They picked this and just dug in on it,” she told me, of their decisions around the time of her wedding. “I don’t know what relationship you expect us to have going forward if your ideology is more important to you than celebrating this life event with me.” Sometimes she misses her younger sister, but she has found solace with friends and in no-contact communities on Reddit. She has been seeing a therapist to try to make sense of what happened. She no longer identifies as religious. “It’s not for me,” she said. “I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to kind of shake the associations that I have with God.” As an exercise, she wrote herself the apology she would need to receive from her family for anything significant to change. “I looked at it, and I was, like, That’s never going to happen,” she said. There was anger in her voice, and also sadness. She sounded tired.

I thought of the estranged parent I’d spoken with who told me that she would be willing to accept any kind of relationship with her missing daughter—even a fraught one. She’d sounded heartbroken, and described an ongoing, complex grief. Her daughter was both unreachable and unmournable. As a new parent myself, I felt scared at the idea that I might somehow screw up, and my child would reject me. Speaking to Amy over time, I felt sympathy for her account of her family’s intractability. I could see that she had found a fragile peace in forging her own path, without their presence. And yet I wondered often about her parents and the suffering they must be enduring. It seemed that they had tried, at various points, to remedy the situation. Surely, they would not have wished for this outcome. Perhaps they did not see it coming at all. When I spoke to Ken Nickel, Amy’s former professor, he told me that he hoped the relationship would improve. Amy’s estrangement was an “estrangement in world view, in ideas,” he said. “In my understanding, Amy wasn’t beaten as a child, she wasn’t neglected. She was loved. As best as her parents could love her, they tried to love her.” He added, “I don’t genuinely see it as ‘Her parents did harm to her.’ So my hope is that she can somehow forgive them for that, in the years to come.”

When I asked Amy about the possibility of reconciliation, she said that she would need a very real apology in order to even consider it. When I pressed her on whether a full break was really necessary, she stressed that they had tried a period of low contact and that it didn’t work. “Reconciliation, for me, would mean them doing a bunch of work, and I don’t think they’re going to, so I just need to move forward like it’s not going to happen,” she said. Her parents used to send her cards, on which Amy would write “Return to Sender,” but they no longer know where she lives. I thought of unread cards piling up, a testament to Amy’s anger.

Recently, she and Peter bought a house in Calgary, a few hours’ drive from her parents: a fixer-upper. There are four bedrooms, and a yard with a playhouse, which Amy wants to turn into a chicken coop. She gave me a tour on a video call. “It’s all a bit chaotic,” she said. There were paint swatches on the wall and a man was installing tiling in the kitchen. Amy and Peter slept on the floor while they redid the bedrooms, and took cold showers when their water heater broke. Amy showed me a room where she had installed laminate flooring herself. “There’s a significant amount of trial and error,” she said.

Over time, the estrangement has receded into the background of her life. “I have a good thing going,” she said. Lately, though, it’s been on her mind a bit. She and Peter are planning to start a family, and are thinking about what kind of parents they will make. “There’s a sense of feeling like things are actually going really well, and it would feel really good to share those things with some kind of parent figure,” she told me. “There’s lots of things that imitate it, or come close, but there’s nothing that’s exactly the same.”

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This happened a lot more than anyone wants to admit too. When the left normalized "show me your papers" and valorized cutting people out of society over not having said "papers"- that's exactly what they intended to happen.
Suggest there was a side effect from all that. People started cutting government, law enforcement, the judiciary, the media, and 'science' out of their lives to the greatest extent possible. "They" have no confidence now that people will even believe them, much less do anything they say, the next time something happens. And there will be a next time.
 
You have to listen to shitty fake bands like Zwinglicore or Seven Day Big Guy instead of rocking out to Nirvana with your friends
It wasn't as bad in the 2000's. For whatever reason, Christian rock and metal was common even in the mainstream. A lot of those bands turned out to mostly be on Christian labels because it had an audience of kids wanting anything but lame pop rock. Most of the legit Christian bands were making metal the parents of their audience thought was Satanic, which is pretty funny. Demon Hunter is more Christian than the whiny self hating shit on Klove. Antestor managed to make Christian black metal about depression work so well, they have non-Christian fans.
 
This happened a lot more than anyone wants to admit too. When the left normalized "show me your papers" and valorized cutting people out of society over not having said "papers"- that's exactly what they intended to happen.

Yup, I completely agree.

Here's the general chain of events that went down with my in-laws (there's much more shit they've put us through that I'm leaving out just because I want to stay focused on this particular subject):

-They kept pestering us if we had gotten the jabs yet. When we said we were waiting before making a final decision at the time (which was the truth), my very weird mother-in-law "did us a favor" by signing us up for some nurse to come to our house to give us the first series of jabs. (spoiler: we didn't get the shots lol)

-When we said we are choosing to not disclose our vaccination status because we care about maintaining everyone's right to medical privacy, they flipped out and proceeded to isolate us. Whenever we saw them in person, they'd have their double masks on, outside, over six feet apart, and would give everyone attention but us (and they'd take their masks off once we left). This went on for months before my husband finally lost it and told them how hurtful their actions were. (btw, my husband and I even offered to quarantine for two weeks every so often to see them, but we were turned down every single time.)

-I got pregnant with our first child. Instead of being excited for his parents' first grandchild and instead of my husband's siblings being excited over becoming an aunt and an uncle, they said that I was going to die and that I was going to kill our baby if we all didn't get the covid jabs.

-We told them that their actions and words were not only highly inappropriate and not okay, but also insanely entitled and hateful.

-It's been an off-and-on shitshow ever since. I am at the point of no contact with my in-laws (which is great for me-- lol, good riddance), but they reach out to my husband every so often with more of their awfulness. Lots of false promises, my husband calling them out on those false promises when he catches them in lies, and them flipping out on him all over again.

So yeah, the estrangement isn't just "hey, we disagreed on something about how we approached covid, so we won't talk ever again." It's been the very real emotional abuse, mind games, and the constant breaking of the boundaries.
 
So yeah, the estrangement isn't just "hey, we disagreed on something about how we approached covid, so we won't talk ever again." It's been the very real emotional abuse, mind games, and the constant breaking of the boundaries.
How tempted have you two been to get a restraining order or a no contact order on them, even if temporary? They likely aren't an actual physical danger to you, but they sound parasitic.
 
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How tempted have you two been to get a restraining order or a no contact order on them, even if temporary? They likely aren't an actual physical danger to you, but they sound parasitic.
I personally don't think they are a physical danger. "Parasitic" is the right word for it.

They actually moved farther away from us about a a year ago without telling us (thank God, lol).

That said, I do absolutely have a red line (which I've discussed with my husband and he 100% agrees with me on it). If it's ever crossed, I won't hesitate to file a restraining order. The "red line" is them showing up to our house unannounced and uninvited. Like I said, I don't think I'd be in physical danger if that happened, but my kids don't need to witness that kind of harassment and be introduced to that toxic behavior. Plain and simple.
 
Yeah it's almost as if you're missing something.
Oh, please condescend to tell me what I'm missing? - You said
if they were terrible people you probably are too as most personality traits are genetic/nurture rather than emergent in the self.
so how is it that Boomers often turned out to be selfish assholes, when their own parents were the complete opposite? Why is "Boomer" a pejorative, rather than being a synonym for "generous, thoughtful, selfless provider"?
 
Oh, please condescend to tell me what I'm missing? - You said

so how is it that Boomers often turned out to be selfish assholes, when their own parents were the complete opposite? Why is "Boomer" a pejorative, rather than being a synonym for "generous, thoughtful, selfless provider"?
The only thing more retarded than inter-generational hatred, is gender-based hatred. For the same exact reasons you stupid fuck. I shouldn't have to explain further than that, if I do, at least do me the courtesy of reading the wall of text I'll end up making.
 
I have a cordial relationship with my parents but I never visit them because my old hometown is a shithole. They chose to remain there and there's nothing back there for me besides emotional baggage from my shit childhood and the money spent visiting that place would be better spent working towards my future.

That's just the world their generation created and it sucks.
 
Can someone legit explain to me, as someone who grew up religious and stayed religious, what the fuck has happened in these churches that our generation of kids who grew up evangelical/fundamentalists/Christian in general have stopped going to church/reading the Bible and then go out of their way to estrange themselves from their families? It doesn't sound like she even got bad-touched, she just didn't get an answer (which is God literally speaking to her) right away about something as a kid and got mad about it, and never bothered to try again or ask again or even someone else about it. Best I got is "Fuck you, Dad."
I would imagine it’s those churches being super pro Zionist and than the kids witnessing the horrors that the Kikes inflict upon the Palestinians.

No God would pick a people as evil as Kikes as their chosen people (unless it was a demon)
 
Can someone legit explain to me, as someone who grew up religious and stayed religious, what the fuck has happened in these churches that our generation of kids who grew up evangelical/fundamentalists/Christian in general have stopped going to church/reading the Bible and then go out of their way to estrange themselves from their families? It doesn't sound like she even got bad-touched, she just didn't get an answer (which is God literally speaking to her) right away about something as a kid and got mad about it, and never bothered to try again or ask again or even someone else about it. Best I got is "Fuck you, Dad."
far too many Churches are extremely bad at apologetics in general, and far too many religious people don't know the proper answers to basic questions that could have kept the kid in the faith if they'd been able to answer properly or without fudging/fibbing. Thus kids don't go out into University or even basic public school with a proper defense against things that are incorrect but persuasive.

Plus in the case of that Amy chick I bet everybody was just fucking gaslighting her about God speaking to them or glowing hands while praying, and she was too autistic to play along as well as was expected. Sounds like a trash denomination of Charismatics. I'm surprised Speaking In Tongues wasn't mentioned. Parents sound like a couple of religious Cluster B Clusterfucks.

The other half of the blame is, a bunch of commies in teachers clothing are working double time extra hard to unconvert the religious.
 
The "reasons" you refuse to give?
Ok.

First point: the sheer numbers.
There are/were 76.4 million baby boomers.
Article said:
Data from the U.S. Census Bureau show that there are 76.4 million baby boomers.

There were actually a total of 76 million births in the United States from 1946 to 1964, the 19 years usually called the “baby boom.” Of the 76 million baby boomers born, nearly 11 million had died by 2012, leaving some 65.2 million survivors. However, when immigrants are included (the number of people coming into the United States from other countries, minus those moving the other way), the number grows to an estimated 76.4 million because immigrants outweighed the number of baby-boomer deaths. The flow of immigrants greatly increased after passage of the Immigration Act of 1965, just as the baby boom was ending.
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So one can use the figure 76.4 million (or round it down to 76 million) to approximate the number of baby boomers living in the U.S. today. But keep in mind that of the 76 million babies were born in the United States during the baby-boom years (1946 to 1964), only 65.2 million of those babies were still alive in 2012, and the baby-boom age group (ages 50 to 68 in 2014) stood at 76.4 million in 2012 with immigrants included in the count.

So there's 65.2 million apparently, alive right now. Of those people you're attributing to the majority an ill-intentioned, capricious, avaricious mindset:
Boomers are the generation that inherited the wealth of their ancestors, yet are determined to leave nothing at all for their own children and grandchildren. They are a truly wicked and spoilt generation.
I know there are Boomers out there who have made provision for their families but they are definitely in the minority.
"Wealth of their ancestors"? Let's look at that "wealth".
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Huh. Looks to me like line went up, with some hiccups, until you get to around 2008. Weird. Let's look at another consideration for "the wealth of their ancestors", the population.
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The boomers were a staggering forty fucking million increase in population of the U.S. I'm not sure of the math exactly but that's not 'spoiled' given that your average family, if a person was married, likely had enough kids that the 'wealth of their ancestors' likely didn't go very fucking far.

Speaking of, you're talking about a group of people that includes both people who were of-age in the beginnings of the sexual revolution and people who very well might've been born because of it. Don't you think that's a bit illogical on its' face? But the big nail in the coffin of that horseshit:
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There wasn't any wealth to squander for most people. You know, like the vast majority of history. Another good one though:
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Outlined in red the date 1971 as the oldest boomer would've barely been old enough to rent a car. Look up FDR if you want for more information on why you're just wrong-headed if you think boomers are the reason you can't afford a home. Hell I personally have barely scratched the surface of this shit but it really started with fucking Lincoln.

So with that, the second is the logical problem of attributing all of the negative characteristics to an entire generation of people some 70m strong that were born over the course of the two most tumultuous decades in American domestic history. A boomer born in 1946 is just not going to be the same kind of person as one born in 1956 or 1964 any more than someone born in 1986 is going to be the same as someone born in 1996, or 2006.

Even if it were within the same 'cultural decade' for want of a better term, you must either believe that it's logical to deduce that an entire swath of a population can share the same negative characteristics based on... well all I ever see is this insistence that boomers were a consumerist group, and the outcomes of shit politicians lied about to get voted into office over. Newsflash - they didn't have any better options then than now and had several fucking orders of magnitude less information that wasn't controlled, ultimately, by the same force(s) that were controlling everything the hell else then and now. They presumably as a group did what their parents, their parents' parents, their kids, and recently their kids' kids do now at the ballot box - pick the least stinky turd and hope for the best.

As far as consumerism or vanity, or lack of concern for the future, both gen x and millenials as a cohort have them beat hands-down if the logic used to judge boomers is applied evenly. What substantively, culturally did Gen X accomplish beyond making drug use acceptable, or millenials beyond making being a genderqueer superpozzed fagblob the literal state banker-mandated religion?

Have you ever been accused - perhaps by some fat hairy feminist, or some ape-like sheboon making hooting noises - as part of a group, a preposterously large group, of being guilty of x sin by virtue of being a part of that group? Like perhaps, being a straight, white male? You're doing the same shit to boomers and it makes even less fucking sense as racism is at a minimum, logical. If I need to explain in detail why please do let me know and I'll get on that next since apparently it's remedial critical thinking 101 today in A&N you fucking clown.
 
I don't talk politics with my family, since we are so different. But I accept we'll never see eye to eye and we build a relationship on other things. If you disown your family over politics its a sign you probably need to grow up.
It's funny you mentioned that, I'm having some difficulties with this very thing right now. Thankfully I'm a full grown man so I don't really have to deal with it outside of visits, but it's really bad at the moment.

Modern US political parties are more like cults than anything and it's tragic to see your own family become victims to that stuff.
 
The Bible is full of not only interesting historical information, but plenty of grounded, actionable philosophy.

Sometimes I want to be religious purely out of embarassment.
I would argue it's your fault for going in blind instead of going in with the assistance of some Homilies from St Gregory Palamas and St John Chrysostom but I have this sneaking suspicion that no-one ever told you about them. It's a bit sad, I hope you give the scriptures another chance and this time you let these friends to all people help you out with the bits you didn't understand :).
Oh really?
It's "historical information" and also I don't understand it?

Leviticus 14:
The Lord said to Moses, 2 “These are the regulations for any diseased person at the time of their ceremonial cleansing, when they are brought to the priest: 3 The priest is to go outside the camp and examine them. If they have been healed of their defiling skin disease,[a] 4 the priest shall order that two live clean birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop be brought for the person to be cleansed. 5 Then the priest shall order that one of the birds be killed over fresh water in a clay pot. 6 He is then to take the live bird and dip it, together with the cedar wood, the scarlet yarn and the hyssop, into the blood of the bird that was killed over the fresh water. 7 Seven times he shall sprinkle the one to be cleansed of the defiling disease, and then pronounce them clean. After that, he is to release the live bird in the open fields.
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millenials beyond making being a genderqueer superpozzed fagblob the literal state banker-mandated religion?
The supreme court that legislated gay marriage from the bench and the billionaires in charge of the companies that made faggotry the state religion are all boomers and gen X with very few exceptions. Millennials largely are too broke a demographic to even control their fates, which might be even worse. Though world's most stubborn autistic man Joshua Moon is a Millennial so they aren't all globohomo.
 
I think the circumstances where cutting off family is wise are pretty uncommon, and the rise of the phenomenon is mainly due to redditors and the like suggesting it as a fix for even for the most basic family problems.

Family abusive? Siphoning your cash? deadbeat drug addicts who won't change? Otherwise unable to make even a single good life decision? Yeah, cut them out of your life, at least to save yourself from further problems.

It should not be used for "my parents voted for Trump" or "we had an argument at a holiday dinner", and it especially should not be done over "I'm a teen who thinks they know everything and will make huge irreversible or painful to reverse choices over something I'm not going to care about in a few years at best". "Go No Contact", to redditors is basically the family version of "Divorce your spouse over literally any disagreement or problem".
 
There is not a sense of "well I better instill my values then hope she can stand on her own two feet because I won't be here forever" because sometime in the 70s, it started to become taboo to acknowledge that it is normal and expected for every one
A Godless society fears death, as there's no salvation or chance to enter Heaven.
 
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