Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Since Russia has pretty much achieved its goals, could it be sticking to a fixed pace? So whenever Ukraine suffers a major personnel loss Russia will ramp down its attack force instead of pressing the advantage? Russia could overwhelm the border at every spot if they chose, but they would rather preserve their forces as much as possible. If Ukraine was to lose 90% of their forces, then Russia won't invade 90% faster but instead task 90% less of their forces into pressing the advantage.
I wouldn't go so far as that. Ukraine had the largest army in Europe, they're still getting supplies and it's still not a cake walk to take territory. Whilst Russia could certainly have allowed itself to be diverted into defending Kursk more, they didn't exactly let Kiev invade it willingly.

But all that said, I think there's merit to what you say. Russia has certainly shown a tremendous willingness to go at its own pace in this war. Like an experienced boxer willing to take some blows and not be drawn into over-extending or becoming exhausted. They know they can retake Kursk, they have done what they can to evacuate their citizens from there, I believe. They've been working to a plan and very rarely wavered from it. And when they have fallen back like withdrawing from Kherson, they've done so with a long view in mind rather than cling on when they (probably) shouldn't.

I think Russia would like to wrap this up - it's not as though they're not suffering casualties or sanctions have no effect at all. But they still plan to wrap it up on their terms.
 
I think Russia would like to wrap this up - it's not as though they're not suffering casualties or sanctions have no effect at all. But they still plan to wrap it up on their terms
Ultimately they cannot wrap things up until Ukraine is no longer on millitary welfare. As long as Ukraine continues to get international support it will never surrender, even though a more independent nation would have collapsed by now. Pushing harder would only increase the support Ukraine recieves. Russia may be banking on Ukraine losing that support shortly after the US elections, and timing things to have a very secure and fortified position at that point.

Russia controls almost all of the 2014 fortifications by now, right?
 
Sanctions wont end even if they took Kiev tommorow. They would do even more if they could. There is no path to remove current sanctions without removal of multiple generations of workers from the US state department and CIA.

Putin likely realizes there is no path to reconciliation with the west in his lifetime. His pr is for Brics not the west. He wants to show Russia is the calm stable rational actor that you can trust to act pragmatically
 
Why wont they bomb Ukraine to the stone age (non nuclear)?
What would that look like?

Ukraine edging closer to disastrous total blackout as alarm bells ring over Russian attack

On Monday, Vladimir Putin's army launched one of its biggest attacks on the energy sector across Ukraine.
By JOHN VARGA
09:05, Fri, Aug 30, 2024 | UPDATED: 09:26, Fri, Aug 30, 2024

Pay attention to what this Kiev resident is saying:

Kira Rudik, who lives in Kyiv, says the city's homes do not have electricity for the "majority of the day".

"It's terrifying that still, by this point, we are unable to protect us from those vicious attacks in full," she told Sky News.

"And Russia keeps bringing us closer and closer to that total blackout.

Kiev is becoming uninhabitable, and this is when the weather is still good. Winter is coming:

How we are going to survive the winter is unclear right now, because the weather outside is still good.

This winter is very likely to see another huge wave of refugees leaving Ukraine (unless they're stopped by armed Ukrainian border guards). Once sub zero temperatures hit, the damage already done to Ukraine's electricity generation will leave people shivering in the dark, which will be a humanitarian and economic disaster.

Is freezing in the darkness stone age enough for ya? The amount of people, 3 years into this war, who still think it's a videogame is wild.
 
"Kursk occupied, Donetsk gone: is Ukraine losing because it is winning in Russia?"


From the article:

"Since the start of the Kursk offensive on August 6, Russian troops have been advancing ever faster in the eastern Ukrainian Donbas. In the Donetsk region alone, they have conquered more than 230 square kilometers."

"And while the Ukrainian army was only able to take control of one small Russian town (6,000 inhabitants), Sudzha, in August alone Russia's invading army conquered five Ukrainian towns, Novohrodiivka, Krasnohorivka, Druzhba, Pivnitschne and Niu-York, which formerly had a total population of more than 53,000.

Since Thursday, the strategically important city of Pokrovsk with a population of 65,000 has also been under forced evacuation - because Russian troops are only eight kilometers away.

“Ukraine is paying a high price in the Donbas for its successes at Kursk,” says military expert Nico Lange (49), drawing a sobering interim balance of the risky operation. “The Russian pressure on Pokrovsk and the evacuations that are now necessary as a result call into question the strategy of the Ukrainian leadership,” the security expert told BILD."

"Lange sees a direct link between the successes in Kursk, Russia, and the increasingly threatening situation in the Ukrainian Donbas. This is because Kiev is thinning out its best units in the east of its own country in order to be able to advance in the west of Russia.

“Understaffed units in the Donbas cannot withstand the Russians there, which is causing internal discussions and unrest,” Lange tells BILD."

"Artis Pabriks (58), former Minister of Defense of Latvia, takes a different view. In his opinion, the Kursk operation is “a masterpiece” with which the Ukrainian leadership held up a mirror to both Russia and the West."

From other articles about Kursk:

"More than three weeks have passed since the Ukrainian surprise attack on the Russian region of Kursk. The offensive has caught Vladimir Putin's (71) troops off guard! Ukraine is still able to hold parts of the region. But the Russians are arming themselves and striking back harder

At the beginning of the offensive, it was quiet on the Russian side, Ukrainian soldiers told BILD. Even Russian drones were not flying, says Dmytro (45), commander of a mortar unit of the 117th Brigade of the Territorial Defense of Ukraine, BILD.

But now it has “become much more intense”, Dmytro continues. “Now the shelling is constant, there are a lot of drones.”"

"The Russians would fire on Ukrainian infantry with tanks, howitzers, mortars and drones. His unit has not yet been hit. “Maybe they haven't found out exactly where we are.”"

"BILD accompanies Ukrainian Maxim (26) very close to the Russian border. He reports: “The Russians have brought more artillery into the region. They have become more active. Not just here, but everywhere on the border.”

The big concern: Russian soldiers could cross the 600-kilometre-long border towards Sumy. “They can infiltrate anywhere. So far it's more or less quiet, but the shelling has intensified.”

As a drone pilot, the young soldier is responsible for reconnaissance of Russian targets.

It is unclear what Ukraine is really aiming to achieve with the Kursk offensive. Ukraine President Volodymyr Selensky (46) described the attack as part of a plan for victory. However, Ukrainian Chief of General Staff Oleksandr Syrskyj (59) admitted that one of the aims of the Kursk operation was to “divert Russian forces from other fronts, in particular Pokrovsk and Kurakhove (Donbas, editor's note)”. In fact, however, the Russians had “intensified their efforts on the Pokrovsk front”.


"According to current information, the retaliatory strike against Russia is the largest drone attack on the neighboring country to date. The Kremlin reports that 158 Ukrainian drones were shot down over a total of 15 Russian regions on Sunday night. Most of the 122 drones were shot down over the western Russian regions of Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh and Belgorod on the border with Ukraine."

"The drone squadron even reached the Russian capital Moscow. According to Russian reports, a refinery in Moscow and two power plants were hit. A fire broke out at the Kapotnya refinery in the south-east of the capital, but the fire department was able to contain it after some time, according to the state news agency Tass."

 
“Ukraine is paying a high price in the Donbas for its successes at Kursk,” says military expert Nico Lange (49), drawing a sobering interim balance of the risky operation. “The Russian pressure on Pokrovsk and the evacuations that are now necessary as a result call into question the strategy of the Ukrainian leadership,” the security expert told BILD."
What success are they talking about? They are occupying fields outside of actual settlements and getting pummeled? The fuck is successful about that? Do these military guys in the west ever feel retarded having to pretend stuff Ukraine does makes any sense? Well of course not, they presented Afghanistan as a glowing success until they ran out with the tail in-between their legs and the people they had "defeated" in 2001 blitzed and took over within months.

Ukraine is like the office tranny everyone begrudgingly calls a woman and stunning in public because they have to or they lose their job. Ukraine is a tranny.
 
What success are they talking about? They are occupying fields outside of actual settlements and getting pummeled? The fuck is successful about that? Do these military guys in the west ever feel retarded having to pretend stuff Ukraine does makes any sense? Well of course not, they presented Afghanistan as a glowing success until they ran out with the tail in-between their legs and the people they had "defeated" in 2001 blitzed and took over within months.

Ukraine is like the office tranny everyone begrudgingly calls a woman and stunning in public because they have to or they lose their job. Ukraine is a tranny.
It's BILD. Germany's #1 tabloid. Springer is a US/Israel mouthpiece. Yet the reader base is also rather "conservative" or at least critical of the current government. So everything BILD says should be taken with a large grain of salt. They're basically trying to ease their readers into the fact that Ukraine is done for but have to package it in a way so they won't alienate most of them.
 
"Artis Pabriks (58), former Minister of Defense of Latvia, takes a different view. In his opinion, the Kursk operation is “a masterpiece” with which the Ukrainian leadership held up a mirror to both Russia and the West."
One of the craziest things about this whole conflict is how all these yapping chihauhas from the Baltic states keep acting like they're king shit, they're way worse than even the Poles who actually have something resembling a military to back their words up. Do they think they're impressing someone with this? Is it just a copium overdose? Did they all start doing actual, real drugs to forget about the fact that if Russia attacks they'll reach their capitals and hang them all before NATO can muster a strongly worded letter? Ukraine had the advantage of being so huge that even if Russia completely Blitzkrieged them, Desert Storm style, it would take time, but the Baltic states don't have that, you can drive from the Russian border to the capital in like 3 hours.
 
How? This isn't Iraq. Ukraine still has formidable air defenses. Russia doesn't have unlimited munitions to use on such a thing. And why do it anyways? Mass bombing campaigns are a western thing. Russia didn't even do it in ww2
It would be potentially possible, but it makes no sense or logic. Maintaining it later is already expensive enough that it would be much more expensive. Russia would not be able to afford to rebuild it, and in combat it would not help as much as some think and it did not help much.
 
As someone from the Baltics, I can say that people are like completely delusional on the Russian issue. Some people even unironically believe that US will fire nukes at Russia for invading Baltics, because muh NATO. The whole national identity feels about 50% pure russophobia at this point. In reality, mostly the Baltic identities were constructed by Baltic German progressives in the 17-18th century, who had an outgroup bias - much like the shitlibs today. For Estonia it's literally just a derivative from the Finnish myths, which are a lot better preserved - so basically it's all just some Baltic kraut faggots writing fairy tales. Culturally there are no real differences with the northern Russians, only a language barrier.

They keep beating the drum of liberalism and freedom, yet have no idea about the child castrations or rapegangs in Western Europe - because they're descendants of slaves, who have no ability to think for themselves and were bred for obedience for hundreds of years.

Even looking back at the Soviet era, they have no idea this was just some fucking pointless borderland for the Soviet Union and they've never seen the actual Russian intellectual elite. There's this insane hubris that Russia is a wholly "incompetent nation", filled with "dumb people", that just through "sheer luck" or whatever the fuck manages to keep up with military innovation. This also leads to this utter glazing of all US/Western military tech as these unbeatable wunderwaffe, though at least this admiration is not as shameful as someone like the Germans worshiping their literal occupiers.

I can't wait for Russians come and liberate us from this madness, sadly I'm quite sure this won't happen this decade. Life is only going to get worse, with the economy in freefall and it's evident that NATO has 0 motivation to even try to defend it. All it will have left by then is just some sorry rabid sods...
 
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I can say that people are like completely delusional
I can't get over their pride in having been Nazi auxiliaries when those same Nazis literally said they were cannon fodder to be killed instead of Germans. Worshiping the people that said you were less sentient than farm animals. I'm going to copy The Last Stand and say "I don't get it".
 
I can't get over their pride in having been Nazi auxiliaries when those same Nazis literally said they were cannon fodder to be killed instead of Germans. Worshiping the people that said you were less sentient than farm animals. I'm going to copy The Last Stand and say "I don't get it".
It gets worse.
During the independence wars for Estonia-Latvia 1918-1920, the people were really demotivated in fighting the Russians. People started signing up when the state started handing out land to the enlisted. Yet there were also pockets of Baltic Germans who were fighting the natives and the natives were multitudes of times more motivated fighting them, as documented by soldiers memoirs and surges in enlistment rates when armed conflicts began with them.
It really can't be understated how big the hatred for Germans used to be in this area, but 50 years later and they're happy to have been called "lower aryan". I sometimes wonder if these people are just incapable of seeing further than the hatred for their previous master.
 
Hohols are complaining about the latest Russian trick:

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Apparently Russia have begun to use turbojet drones with no payload.

5000$ drone vs. 50.000$ SAM missile.

The drones travel in swarms, so good luck trying to figure out which one is a decoy and which one isn’t.
 
Hohols are complaining about the latest Russian trick:

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Apparently Russia have begun to use turbojet drones with no payload.

5000$ drone vs. 50.000$ SAM missile.

The drones travel in swarms, so good luck trying to figure out which one is a decoy and which one isn’t.
50 grand for a missile? Try 200k at the very least, they dont have cheap soviet stocks anymore.

Also turbojets arent that cheap, unless we talk about RC scale jet engines.
 
Why wont they bomb Ukraine to the stone age (non nuclear)?
You may as well ask why they don't bring out the siege engines and giant catapults. Or use a slingshot like David and Goliath. Carpet bombing is pretty much a stone age technique for a modern army. A total waste of ammo on nothing. Here's a quote from wiki that explains just how shit it was:

An example of the difficulties of precision bombing was a raid in the Northern Hemisphere summer of 1944 by 47 B-29's on Japan's Yawata Steel Works from bases in China. Only one plane actually hit the target area, and only with one of its bombs. This single 500 lb (230 kg) general-purpose bomb represented one quarter of one percent of the 376 bombs dropped over Yawata on that mission. It took 108 B-17 bombers, crewed by 1,080 airmen, dropping 648 bombs to guarantee a 96 percent chance of getting just two hits inside a 400 x 500 ft (150 m) German power-generation plant.

When you've got fibre optic controlled drones that can hit the weak spot on a tank to the nearest inch, or 3 tonne FAB bombs with an accuracy of 10 metres, why bother blowing up random shit. Did you not see the photo of a Ukrainian power station with four turbine halls, with a cruise missile sized hole in the roof of every hall.

Apparently Russia have begun to use turbojet drones with no payload.
I don't get the point of this. Once you've built the drone, the cost of 50kg of explosive must be pretty negligible. Maybe you could get more fuel on board without it, but it doesn't take much intelligence to realise that the explosive ones don't hang around and fly in circles for hours.

Don't know the story behind this, but if you're looking for a way to impress the neighbours.


Not heard much about those Ukrainian penal battalions. This might explain why. Even Wagner only took volunteers, and they were selective beyond that. And trained and fed their recruits. Who knew that telling people "sign up or I'll break your arms and legs" might not give you the highest quality soldiers.
 
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