Christian theology thread for Christians - Deus homo factus est naturam erante, mundus renovatus est a Christo regnante

[YouDoNotHaveTheRight]

This isn't really what the thread is for my wall of text had my entire explanations and some of you still confused and blinded by hatred which is a little ironic since we call ourselves Christians. For as much as you hate Muslims your opinions upon them help the Islam is the religion of peace narrative. I actually love when you blame all Muslims for things done by these little groups like isis when there is so much evidence of Mossad agents as their leaders as well as Mossad snipers killing militaries in afghanistan not to mention the uss liberty incident all done to plant these ideas into you and the shabbos goy are so well behaved and eat it up. I don't even simp for Muslims I just like honesty and dislike when people lie and generalize them especially when they also acknowledge my Messiah and you hang so highly on the point of his death and execution that if he lives again was he not really killed? I can't change your minds, but I'm not going to let you slander without shit for it. A quick google search will show you places where Christians thrived under Muslim rule if you can't even do that you aren't worth typing to. Much less if you aren't willing to research a little for yourself then you aren't on the discussion thread to discuss, but to shit it up.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

I don't even simp for Muslims I just like honesty and dislike when people lie and generalize them especially when they also acknowledge my Messiah and you hang so highly on the point of his death and execution that if he lives again was he not really killed?

You may think yourself sly. Crying about Jews in a place that see them as Pharisees. But you for no reason have decided to stick to a point you could easily ignore. You can not call yourself Christian and believe Jesus Christ, Son of God didn't die on the cross. You have overplayed your hand and all with eyes to see can perceive it is nothing more than taqiyya.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

This isn't really what the thread is for my wall of text had my entire explanations and some of you still confused and blinded by hatred

My bro. Read your kloran at least once in your life.
You think we are hateful? Boy you're in for a surprise.

which is a little ironic since we call ourselves Christians.

There's only one group of people that are so adamant about islamophilia as you that I have encountered.
Don't lie.

For as much as you hate Muslims

Islam is the religion of peace

I actually love when you blame all Muslims

things done by these little groups like isis

Mossad agents as their leaders as well

Mossad snipers killing militaries in afghanistan

uss liberty incident

USS Liberty was an accident that Israel has fully acknowledged, apologized and paid dues to the dead soldiers' families btw

shabbos goy are so well behaved and eat it up.

I don't even simp for Muslims

lol

dislike when people lie and generalize

"Mossad mossad. Shabbos guy."

they also acknowledge my Messiah

The Islamic Isa is a lying maniac who gladly sent an innocent man to die in his place.
No Muslim believes in the Resurrection. You know. The most important even in history.
But they do believe their demonic Isa will return to kill all Christians and Jews in the last day.

you hang so highly on the point of his death and execution that if he lives again was he not really killed?

I can't change your minds, but I'm not going to

A quick google search will show you places where Christians thrived under Muslim rule

Sure it does.

you aren't on the discussion thread to discuss

Shut up, Abdulah.
This is a wholesome thread, so I don't want to be too harsh, but the very least I can say is that you're a lying dog.
You're as much Christian as Xi Jinping. Everything you say is what coward muslim crypto liars say, pretending to be Christians. Stop making a fool of yourself and either admit your true allegiance or leave.

 

[Derrick]

Making friends with muslims is like asking saint George to befriend the dragon. It's a view birthed of blissful ignorance. Muslims have martyred more Christians than the pagans of ancient times, the communists of modern times or the conflicts between Christians. You are spitting on the graves of those victimized by them and allowing a beast in the crib of your descendants.
They are the enemy. A fact made plain by their continued murder of Christians for being Christians. There is no alliance. If given enough time they will attack you or those that come after you.

I should probably clarify what I meant a bit, I agree that Islamic teaching are theologically antithetical to Christianity and that we should work to share the Gospel with them. With that said I'm not telling you to import millions of Muslims, because I don't think you should, however in places where theres already a sizeable Islamic Minority (5-15%) such as Russia, Georgia, Kenya, France, Germany, and Greece, it wouldn't be a horrible idea for the local Christian political leaders to reach out to them to collaborate on moral political issues wheres there's common ground like LGBT Rights. For example in Georgia there has been increasing talk from progressive political circles of legalizing Gay Marriage (though this is definitely still a minority opinion). It wouldn't be a horrible idea for some Christian leaders (Christianity makes up 85% of the country) to reach out to their Islamic Counterparts (Islam is 10% of the country) to tell them to get their people out to vote for the morally conservative party to put a stop to the Gay Marriage talk.

 

[YouDoNotHaveTheRight]

You may think yourself sly. Crying about Jews in a place that see them as Pharisees. But you for no reason have decided to stick to a point you could easily ignore. You can not call yourself Christian and believe Jesus Christ, Son of God didn't die on the cross. You have overplayed your hand and all with eyes to see can perceive it is nothing more than taqiyya.

I said threads ago I was closest to sacred name movement. Therefore cross not sure jesus not sure I have more questions than answers hence why I am on the discussion thread.

 

[Derrick]

Therefore cross not sure jesus not sure

Jesus's death and resurrection are the core tenants of Christianity as Paul wrote: "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." -1st Corinthians 15:14. There can be no salvation without a core belief in this basic event.

The good news is despite what Islamic scholars have taught Jesus's crucifixion is one of the few facts about him virtually all biblical scholars, Christian and Atheist agree upon. If you're interested in learning more I can send you more non biblical sources verifying the crucifixion.

 

[YouDoNotHaveTheRight]

Jesus's death and resurrection are the core tenants of Christianity as Paul wrote: "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." -1st Corinthians 15:14. There can be no salvation without a core belief in this basic event.

The good news is despite what Islamic scholars have taught Jesus's crucifixion is one of the few facts about him virtually all biblical scholars, Christian and Atheist agree upon. If you're interested in learning more I can send you more non biblical sources verifying the crucifixion.

When was the letter J added to the alphabet?

On a cross or a pole?

If you can reach a little here and lets say J wasn't added to the alphabet until more than a thousand years since the Messiah what that would say about Christ, Christianity as a name to our religion and many many more questions?

 

[Derrick]

When was the letter J added to the alphabet?

Sixteenth Century I think, if you find some old first edition KJV bibles they will spell his name with an 'I', kinda neat. His actual name was Yeshua (meaning to deliver or redeem) but I assume you already knew that given you've associated with the SNM. Jesus is just an English transliteration.

On a cross or a pole?

Rather than point you towards any bible verses to show them using 'cross' imagery I think it would be better for me to point you to a contemporary depiction (with two centuries) of the crucifixion.

This is the Alexamenos Graffito (200 AD) it depicts the crucifixion of Jesus and is actually one of our first images of Jesus (if not the first). It was created by a pagan in Rome to mock Jesus, you can notice Jesus is depicted with a donkey head, a common way to mock leaders you dislike in Roman Art. The description reads 'Aexamenos [a stereotypical Greek name] worships his God'.



As you can see by the imagery here by this relatively contemporary depiction Jesus was depicted as being crucified on a cross as opposed to an upright torture stake indicted that's what people thought of when they refereed to his crucifixion.

 

[YouDoNotHaveTheRight]

Sixteenth Century I think, if you find some old first edition KJV bibles they will spell his name with an 'I', kinda neat. His actual name was Yeshua (meaning to deliver or redeem) but I assume you already knew that given you've associated with the SNM. Jesus is just an English transliteration.


Rather than point you towards any bible verses to show them using 'cross' imagery I think it would be better for me to point you to a contemporary depiction (with two centuries) of the crucifixion.

This is the Alexamenos Graffito (200 AD) it depicts the crucifixion of Jesus and is actually one of our first images of Jesus (if not the first). It was created by a pagan in Rome to mock Jesus, you can notice Jesus is depicted with a donkey head, a common way to mock leaders you dislike in Roman Art. The description reads 'Aexamenos [a stereotypical Greek name] worships his God'.

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As you can see by the imagery here by this relatively contemporary depiction Jesus was depicted as being crucified on a cross as opposed to an upright torture stake indicted that's what people thought of when they refereed to his crucifixion.

Perfect I am so glad you brought up 'Yeshua' I'll let you read what I have read and even compare the hebrew and greek if you like. ( I know its shittypedia, but they like to be honest about themselves at least.) To blot out the name to blot out the existance from history. Suspicious? 200 AD is still pretty far out especially when there are many accounts of Romans crucifying on poles, stakes, crosses more in resemblence to an X than a T. These may not seem significant, but if you think deeply enough about it you may reach some conclusions that I have. Also I do not follow any Imams or scholars for that I just try to research the texts and follow others who have journeyed this path that I am on. I am open to learning, but when it is very logical and jives. Funny that even here on the farms we have a Jewish handler trying to handle the Christian discussion thread. Typical. Not you Derrick, but the kike I will no longer acknowledge. Buhlocked deleted and ignored

 

[Derrick]

200 AD is still pretty far out especially when there are many accounts of Romans crucifying on poles, stakes, crosses more in resemblence to an X than a T.

200 AD is roughly 165 years out, when studying Historical Jesus most historians tend to stick to the first couple centuries as it gives us a good idea of what the first couple generations of Christians were teaching and what the prevailing thoughts about Jesus was among the public, it would seem odd to me Christians would forget within the first 170 years how their messiah was executed. The 'T' shaped cross would have been the most common image in peoples mind hence why this oldest surviving depiction has him on a 'T' Shape. I choose the Alexamenos Graffito to show you because it is a literal pictorial image (and not a written account which you could try to say was mistranslated or meant something else).

If you can find a depiction or description of his crucifix from earlier I would gladly look at it. Otherwise I think it's fair to say he met his fate on a 'T' Shaped cross.

 

[Rendang]

The Amish and other such Luddite groups.

I have to ask why the Amish are considered wrong by a Luddite standpoint. I don't recall any commands that specifically say to reject or uphold technology, but there are plenty asking us to glorify God with our wealth. I think their self-sufficiency, asceticism, & closely-knit community is quite admirable, and their careful approach to adopting technologies & policies (most Amish have gasoline/diesel generators, and have a functioning healthcare system) is often vindicated today.

I'd say their biggest flaw is the paranoia of towards outside influences. We're instructed to walk with prostitutes, tax-collectors, and rich men to spread the gospel, but they instead actively barricade themselves with their practices. It makes it difficult-or nearly impossible-for outsiders to be adopted into their communities & faith, as if they regressed into becoming the tribes of Israel.

It's true that rejecting technology can be fatalistic, as seen with Christian Science, but the Amish issues stems from their doctrine of fear, not their luddite tendencies.

 

[Preacher ✝]

I have to ask why the Amish are considered wrong by a Luddite standpoint.

I was just using it as a term to lump all those groups together, The Amish, The Mennonites, etc. There's a bunch of them and luddite is the easiest word to group them all with because they all reject modern technology to varying degrees.

And you're right there's nothing in theology that says you can't be as selective as you want with what technology you use, but where the Amish and alike go wrong is thinking that their technology choices are based in theology.

 

[YouDoNotHaveTheRight]

200 AD is roughly 165 years out, when studying Historical Jesus most historians tend to stick to the first couple centuries as it gives us a good idea of what the first couple generations of Christians were teaching and what the prevailing thoughts about Jesus was among the public, it would seem odd to me Christians would forget within the first 170 years how their messiah was executed. The 'T' shaped cross would have been the most common image in peoples mind hence why this oldest surviving depiction has him on a 'T' Shape. I choose the Alexamenos Graffito to show you because it is a literal pictorial image (and not a written account which you could try to say was mistranslated or meant something else).

If you can find a depiction or description of his crucifix from earlier I would gladly look at it. Otherwise I think it's fair to say he met his fate on a 'T' Shaped cross.

It took less than 165 years for the boomers to believe in lampshades and soap.

I'll edit if I find good resource for crucifixions I referenced at work now.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I do not follow any Imams or scholars

I just try to research the texts

follow others who have journeyed this path

Talk about taking the longest road possible.

 

[Derrick]

Perfect I am so glad you brought up 'Yeshua' I'll let you read what I have read and even compare the hebrew and greek if you like. ( I know its shittypedia, but they like to be honest about themselves at least.)

As an interesting aside, if you're interested in Jesus's name and historic Jesus you might be interested in some spering about how some of the earliest Roman sources refereed to him. The Greeks starting using Christ as a translation of Messiah and eventually that was transliterated to Latin as 'Christus', in Latin you add a 'us' or 'o' to denote a name is masculine and 'a' or 'e' to denote the name is feminine (i.e. Julius vs Julia, Claudia vs Claudius). Anyways theres a common Latin name for slaves 'Chrestus' which in Latin means 'good' or 'faithful' and it seems some of the earliest sources on Jesus had gotten confused when hearing 'Christus' and wrote it as 'Chrestus'.

For example heres the, low quality, historian Suetonius: "Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome."- The Twelve Ceasears (121 AD)

The more respected historian, Tacitus meanwhile got Christus right but still wrote that Christians were known as 'Chrestians' indicating that the mixup had become so commonplace Christians were just refered to for a time as 'Chrestians': "But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Chrestians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus". - Tacitus, The Annals (116 AD)

 

[YouDoNotHaveTheRight]

@Derrick I will give better reply when I get home, but this is exactly the kind of postings I am here for thank you for responding seriously and not shitting on me.

Since no one posted heres what I can muster for now, but these things are kind of hard to find online anyway unless you dig really deep. Unfortunately it is a catholic resource shitting on it, but a better explanation than I can produce on the spot. This is an archive as this post seems to be now memory holed.

Revisiting I did some reading on Christus and it just confirms my bias on modern translation and reading and even discussion that when you refer to someone as Jesus Messiah it just does not sound right, feel right. I am not denying I believe like you all do its just not how language is used and even the texts would not refer to anyone else that way of name and title as it comes up it would be odd. I have been personally lost on the Christ part for a while bros and I am glad I was able to find an answer here of all places, however just referring to the Messiah as the Messiah works because that is what the origin of Christ is.

 

[Mnutu]

@YouDoNotHaveTheRight
You identify as closest to the Sacred Name Movement, so I have biblical questions.

How do you reckon 2 Corinthians 3:6? How do you reckon Hebrews 8-10? By extension to Hebrews, Jeremiah 38:31-40?

 

[YouDoNotHaveTheRight]

@Mnutu (easier to reply this way due to time limit.) I will be honest I have not finished reading the entire bible yet. There is no good excuse for this, but I am a younger man that works a lot and I am imperfect I never said I was some days I don't even pray and I should. Also when I do read the bible I get hung up on things like if God names 40 families it is very significant. If God repeats things like groves and high places or other things it is also significant. I find myself wanting to know more to an autistic level even at times I will start to translate languages back and forth and see what comes out. There is a name in Enoch I for instance that was also in the old testament, yet censored out. I will devote sadly sometimes more time to get to the bottom of a mystery presented to me, but find more satisfaction, gratitude, and understanding. I do however lack anyone to talk to non anonymously though about anything that I may want to ask a mentor or a fellow about because asking IRL could get me de jobbed de banked.

That being said I will explain what these mean to me and while I am not SNM it is just closest to me personally.

For the Corinthians: I take it as that it may not exactly matter the vehicle in which the word is spread. Only that the word is spread is what is more important. (Its never been an elitist thing for me or anything like that I'm not diagnosed autistic, but sometimes I think I am lol even if it doesn't matter I like to know if possible.)

For Hebrews: I am glad you shared this with me because I have not yet read this entire book in the Bible yet. I had actually somewhat discussed something similar with a mentor and he laughed at my concern and said something like this. That the old laws are I wouldn't say null and void, but not so heavy a cost for forgiveness and salvation. (Another note here only because you asked and I don't want to go full power level unless I am asked. When reading what I have and studying other findings I have become sickened by all of these holidays [holy days] that I have been tricked into participating my whole life and had decided that to live a life that is living for God personally only passover and the days that people die should be the only holidays observed. I am not perfect, but that should be the goal.)

For the Jeremiah: chapter and verse are mixed it is totally cool I wish I could pull verses from my head, but I am not there yet . I also had to grab a little more context to understand or try to. ( I am Khazaria-pilled. While I have my own bias on a tribe I am much more kind to actual semetic peoples hence some of my thoughts on Islam and the like. This being said that I don't interpret modern nations to what is said biblically unless it is unmistakable [jericho]) I interpret the nation of Israel biblically to being the actual semetic tribes peoples and their descendants. As far ar rebuilding the city I can not say for sure if it is meaning in this trial life here now, (it certainly is not looking that way now.) or post judgement in the New Jerusalem with streets of gold and jewels, but I want to say the latter. As far as the days are coming I am sure that they are coming, but what God says for times in the Bible does not always necessarily mean the lifetime of someone that has read the Bible in their lifetime.

I saw this thread the other day and hopped in on topic that was going, but sometimes talking with others of faith really helps with things I still have to read my own and everything, but its nice to get other POVs as well for me.

I also think one of the chapters in the book of Amos has imprinted on me for my curiousities Amos 8.

 

[Sebben Crudele II]

I'm ready the bible for the first time. I got KJV/RVR (I can speak both languages fluently so I figured it would be good to have them side by side if I don't understand a word from KJV instead of reaching for the translator). It's really difficult to follow because it feels written in the same way an excited kid would tell you about their day (and and and and and), so someone told me people have made year reading plans so it becomes more manageable and you learn things better. I figured I'd ask you guys first instead of just searching it on the internet.
Any recommendations?

 

[YouDoNotHaveTheRight]

I'm ready the bible for the first time. I got KJV/RVR (I can speak both languages fluently so I figured it would be good to have them side by side if I don't understand a word from KJV instead of reaching for the translator). It's really difficult to follow because it feels written in the same way an excited kid would tell you about their day (and and and and and), so someone told me people have made year reading plans so it becomes more manageable and you learn things better. I figured I'd ask you guys first instead of just searching it on the internet.
Any recommendations?

They have websites that do the same thing now, but this physical book offers many different versions of every verse and some languages I highly recommend. Don't force yourself to read it because it is less likely to stick read it when you want to.