Apalachee Highschool Shooting in Georgia on September 4th, 2024

StarDog said:
The thing I hate about these shootings the most is that they won’t actually get down to the root issue. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s blown up to much larger proportions for the sake of a narrative during an election year… but shootings like these are a cultural phenomenon exclusive to the US. I’ll tell you now it’s not the fucking guns. Tell me why this shit didn’t happen in the 60s, 70s, or 80s… and also explain to me how you’d even begin to take guns away from US citizens. Shit ain’t happening.

The root issue is that these kids are absolutely fucked in the head, over-stimulated with content, are completely unsympathetic because of the age of media, have a warped sense of reality from being chronically online, have shitty millennial parents, and are so god damn confused about themselves because of all the “acceptance” fuckery that’s happening in the world. I mean just fucking look at this Colt kid. Does that look like a kid who has had a good role model? A good example in his life?

Instead of talking about what the fuck is wrong with our culture that teenagers are being driven to commit acts of domestic terrorism on a semi-regular basis… instead we blame it on the gun? We immediately make it a political issue before the bodies are cold? We weave a fear mongering finger pointing narrative for votes that mean nothing when the administration who got them steps into office? Instead of actually denouncing these horrible acts or doing anything to discourage it… we make it about god damn politics?

You take away the guns… then what? You don’t address the cultural and spiritual side of this in any regard, and you think the problems will just go away? This is a deep-rooted issue because of the moral decay, spiritual absence, and empathetic bankruptcy of our youngest minds within society. Terrifying shit.
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So, I agree with you completely, but I want to point out a specific aspect of school shootings in particular: Schools guarantee a large population of unarmed and "weak" victims. Collating dozens and dozens of children in one place has consequences, and school shootings are one of them. Yes, the mental health aspects need to be addressed, but we can't ignore the idea that grouping a bunch of people together like this greatly magnifies the issue. Same thing grocery stores, malls, and movie theaters. They all have bigass NO GUNS signs at their entrance which tells spree killers everything they need to know: Your chance of bullets coming back at you is low.
 
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StarDog said:
You take away the guns… then what?
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Look, im not from Burgerland, and guns just arent a thing i particularly care about owning where i live, i also hate the stupid dumb americans and their guns meme that does the rounds where i live every time a school shooting hits the news here, its a cultural thing for you lot and i get it.

i say this because this isnt my argument im presenting, but the normie one that gets thrown around here whenever this shit happens.

But at a minimum if you took the guns away then youd assume this guy would have killed significantly less kids,
 
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Salt_Merchant said:
Look, im not from Burgerland, and guns just arent a thing i particularly care about owning where i live, i also hate the stupid dumb americans and their guns meme that does the rounds where i live every time a school shooting hits the news here, its a cultural thing for you lot and i get it.

i say this because this isnt my argument im presenting, but the normie one that gets thrown around here whenever this shit happens.

But at a minimum if you took the guns away then youd assume this guy would have killed significantly less kids,
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Well I can tell you that my fiance from Iran sent me a screenshot with some douchebag talking about Republicans carimg more about guns than kids, I proceeded to list to her the reasons why the second amendment is in the constitution in the first place and asked her does she think that the Iranian government would be able to do the things that they do to their citizens if the Iranian citizens had access to firearms. Of course her answer was no. Your government just hasn't gotten harsh enough but it will. To quote a very strange but intelligent man "those who trade their Liberty for security deserve neither, and shall lose both".
 
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I can’t speak to the laws of every state but I do know that in most states only a Licensed Security Guard Cleared by the Superintendent and the Police are allowed to bring a gun on a campus without committing a felony. That includes the reddest of states like Wyoming and Idaho. There was a story a few years back about a kid in Texas who brought a Hunting Rifle with him to school and got caught was being threatened with a felony until he explained he had simply forgotten it in his truck after that weekend and he just had to pay a fine. Why he didn’t see it and someone else did is anyones guess but he has a point that he didn’t bring it into the school or wish anyone harm with it.

Then there is a funny story a friend once told me as well. Suffice to say his last name is the same as a firearm, I am not going to say it. There was another student who’s family made their own chewing gum and wouldn’t share it with the other students unless they were close friends. Well my friend said “I am going to bring my own “x” gum tomorrow” and the teacher thought he said gun. This was a kid in elementary school about to be charged with a felony in a red state for even mentioning bringing a gun, no seriously he had to talk to authorities and his parents had to smooth things over.

So yeah it’s a felony to even talk about bringing a gun to a school, let alone actually do it and then do a shooting.
 
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Salt_Merchant said:
its a cultural thing for you lot and i get it.

But at a minimum if you took the guns away then youd assume this guy would have killed significantly less kids,
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It‘s not a cultural “thing” for us… like Marvel movies or rap music… it is something quite literally woven into the moral fabric of the nation. Our forefathers etched “the right to bear arms shall not be infringed” onto our most sacred document, the second inalienable right they gave us in the Bill of Rights.

A foreign warship chock full of rifles and cannons sat out in the harbor right after our constitution was ratified because it refused to come into port. They needed to restock their provisions, but waited, because the crew wanted to make us aware of their armaments and confirm they weren’t an issue. Thomas Jefferson wrote them a letter back to not worry about it and come the fuck in. He quoted the constitution… it was their right to be armed. That was an entire warship stuffed with cannons and armed soldiers, not one singular semi-automatic rifle… which they’re trying to take away today.

One of my points was that you don’t simply just take away guns in America. I get that you’re playing devil’s advocate for a normie argument… and trust me, I don’t want more dead kids… but I believe it’s a human right to protect yourself, to be self sufficient in defense of your life and property, and not be denied the appropriate tools to do it. There’s much more deeply rooted issues that can be addressed. They won’t explore other avenues because this is a political argument used for the sake of getting votes and building a narrative. We can propose more ideas to fix this other than “gun bad, take gun, problem solved.”
 
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StarDog said:
One of my points was that you don’t simply just take away guns in America. I get that you’re playing devil’s advocate for a normie argument… and trust me, I don’t want more dead kids… but I believe it’s a human right to properly arm yourself, to be self sufficient in your own defense, and not be denied proper defense for you or your property. There’s much more deeply rooted issues that can be addressed. They won’t explore other avenues because this is a political argument used for the sake of getting votes and building a narrative. We can propose more ideas to fix this other than “gun bad, take gun, problem solved.”
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That will be a challenge with the growing demographic change in America. It´s not the case here regarding race but I think that goes beyond race - it is way too easy to survive nowadays, there is little societal checks for completely antisocial retards and you definitely dont want low impulse control, low IQ people bearing arms - what barely works in America regarding public safety doesnt work in Chade. You will be revisiting gun policy in a decade or two.
 
Get the rope Macaulay! said:
Based on the wife being a constant in the justice system, wouldn't it be obvious to check on him? Especially factoring in substance abuse, he'd have to be lucky to have never been arrested.
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You mean look up criminal records? I've been trying, but the Georgia court online lookup system (which you have to register for, an affront in itself) is a retarded piece of shit. Any other court lookup, you type in last, first and get your records, if there are any. This one is clearly designed for the quasi-literate Shaniquas you will find behind the front desk of any GA state office, and it vomits out dozens of pages of records based on a phonetic guess.

So I type "Gray, Colin" and it spits back 2340 results that include things like "Gurrey, Callie" and on and on.

That said, I did not find anything with his exact name in the first several pages I went through. I will try another method later.

MunsterCheeseJr said:
It sounds like the father wanted a fresh start for his kid.
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He bought him a gun AFTER the feds had come knocking over the kid making threats to shoot up his school. So sure, he wanted a fresh start for him- a high score and a funeral/prison term is a kind of fresh start, if you squint.
 
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So according to MSM
The kid was already a sperg who was sending threats and got talked too by the FBI.
Then the big brain dad buys him a rifle for Christmas.
In this case i happen to agree, with the dad catching charges.
The warning signs were there
Yet he still "here boy you are old enough for your first rifle"
What did he think was going to happen?
I am not sure defending this smooth brain dad out of loyalty to the 2A is a good thing. Yes the democrats will use it, but they use everything anyway.
What sort of logic was this guy on?
"Let's shut up my spastic of a son for 10 mins by giving him a weapon."
This is not a 2A issue, this is a giving guns to smooth brains issue.
 
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