Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification

[Pool's Closed Due to AIDS]

They manage to look "female" when compared to filtered Instagram photos of women, but if no filtering is allowed for timestamp pics, the vast majority of troons won't pass.

Find all female posters who scored high in this thread: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/we-can-always-tell.189456/

Make them do the video/phone checks.
Them gal's can spot troons.

 

[Reimu Hakurei]

It's not a bad idea. Women on Ovarit frequently complain about the lack of women-only spaces to discuss hobbies and interests, since it's hard to get traction on anything besides hating troons and complaining about men there. Attempts have been made at invite-only Discords and other communities, but they usually struggle to gain critical mass.

I can see a lot of limiting issues, though:

1. ID verification will still allow troons who have changed their gender marker. While moderation will likely clock them eventually, it does create distrust within the community and it being an anonymous imageboard doesn't help. As a poster, you can't go through someone's post history to make your own decisions, and as a moderator, not having access to more than a week's worth of old posts may also make it difficult for you to clock someone.

2. Anonymous imageboards just aren't all that mainstream, either - a lot of women you'd see on places like Ovarit and Giggle wouldn't know how to use or post on one, and it's kind of hilarious how resistant many of them are to learning. Anonymity isn't always a plus to these people. You'd most likely pick up women who are LCF regulars or LJ anon meme users, and that's a fairly small and specific demographic.

3. Women are going to distrust a website that's run by a man. Association with the Notorious Cyberbullying Website Kiwi Farms isn't going to help, either.

4. I think ID Verification, third-party or not, is going to be a hard sell. Women who are interested in an anonymous imageboard are probably going to be more paranoid and there's a lot of reasons they might have to distrust the website. Having to pay for it also adds another layer where your personal information could be leaked, produces even more distrust (i.e. 'what if this is just a cashgrab?'), and creates a greater barrier to entry since a lot of people won't pay for something that doesn't have clear and proven value for them. For the site to have value it needs to have enough people to build community, but it'll be hard to create that community in the first place.

tl;dr is that there's definitely demand, but I don't know if you can tap into it easily. Hoping you can because there is a lot of possible value.

 

[Kalamazoo 2 Timbuktu]

Girl you married a homosexual

No, thank goodness. We’re both old enough to have lived before troons and giving a shit about words hurting anyone’s feelings or taking offense at jokes.

And that’s why I wouldn’t be interested in joining. The only reason we have troons invading women’s spaces is because of women allowing it to happen. Sooner rather than later, half the women on the app would stage a hostile takeover because, men can be women as long as they throw on some mascara and an ugly dress.

Your comment is exactly why being in a women’s only space isn’t appealing to me. People getting asschapped over jokes is old.

Maybe making a safe space for the perpetually triggered people would be more profitable. But I thought that’s what Facebook and Reddit was for.

 

[llllIllIllIIIIllI]

This would be entertaining for at least no other reason, seeing how quickly it would turn into the infamous woman only company where they literally went under for fighting over their fucking purses and shit:

Catfights over handbags and tears in the toilets. With her women-only TV company this producer thought she'd kissed goodbye to conflict...

What happened to the Sisterhood? In her all-female company, Samantha Brick witnessed the bitching, backbiting and conflict that eventually brought her company to its knees.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I'd also be interested in seeing the site surreptitiously breaking out the entire threads structure into varying groups of 10 - 100 females to see how quickly the pattern repeats and if the group size has any effect on the time.

 

[the rat]

The only reason we have troons invading women’s spaces is because of women allowing it to happen.

It is the fault of men as much as it is women. It's arguably worse with men considering we're supposed to be protecting women from predators (other men) they can't defend themselves from but we could.

You sure your husband isn't a homosexual?

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

This would be entertaining for at least no other reason, seeing how quickly it would turn into the infamous woman only company where they literally went under for fighting over their fucking purses and shit:

Catfights over handbags and tears in the toilets. With her women-only TV company this producer thought she'd kissed goodbye to conflict...

What happened to the Sisterhood? In her all-female company, Samantha Brick witnessed the bitching, backbiting and conflict that eventually brought her company to its knees.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I'd also be interested in seeing the site surreptitiously breaking out the entire threads structure into varying groups of 10 - 100 females to see how quickly the pattern repeats and if the group size has any effect on the time.

Textile factories are run by , staffed by and mostly owned by women( or families ) in my home country without much issues. This bitch invited her friends and it turn out to shit because she invited her friends.

 

[Garamok]

Ray Blanchard coined the term, a man.

you are right, I confused it with womb envy, that one was coined by a woman.

I think they mean equality in the workplace, the right to vote, etc. Basically they were laughing at how equality of spaces is what allowed the social spaces to become what they are today. You may or may not think that's either a good point or retarded.

I agree on that it went too far with the alleged equality. Throwing all women into one bucket and saying we all supported it and deserve the outcome, that is spiteful. There are enough women who didn't want any of it. When they introduced the women's quota and forcing companies to hire more, enough of us weren't happy. But what can you do except ignore politics and try to move on, find people who are like-minded and not obsessed with playing victim or being spiteful towards one sex.

There are women out there worrying that they didn't get hired for their skills but because they are a woman and worry that their employer wants to fill a quota. This shit messes with the self-esteem a lot. I do not want to dismiss the fact that it can very well happen that a woman won't get hired when she has the same skill set and experience as a male applicant, or maybe even better skills and more experience. But the women's quota was the wrong approach.

If you're wondering where women have issues getting in, it's manual labour jobs like welders. I can totally understand when a male welder is concerned about hiring women when he images that she will act like a princess and cry about every little shit like breaking a nail. But you know what? Men can be like that too. You can't believe the drama a male beautician makes and how much he cries over insignificant things. That's why equality plays an important role, women should be given a chance when they want to do hard labour jobs, just how men already get all the chances when they want to become a kindergarten teacher or a nurse. Did you know that men even get their education sponsored by the state when they want to become a nurse? Why not do the same for women who want to become welders?

It's interesting to see the outrage about a suggestion for women only spaces. I think it's not insane to admit that sometimes you want to be with your own sex, you feel more understood and you can talk about sex-specific topics. I doubt a man wants to be given tips on prostate related issues from a woman - or a pooner. Just how a woman doesn't want to be lectured by a man on what it means to be a woman. Of course, it's a different topic when you go to a doctor. Women only spaces are needed as much as men only spaces. Which does not mean there can't be mixed spaces: hobby groups are a good example. I got really great tips from men about carving wood and how to use drills, sharpen carving knives, which wood to use, and so on.

I think there is something people like to forget: not all men-only spaces are a dreamy man-cave situation that men make it out to be. There are a lot of miserable incels and moids there who do disgusting shit because they are upset that no woman would ever even look their way. Not all women-only spaces are dreamy puffy pink clouds that women make it out to be. There quite some dramatic cunts and backstabbing liars out there who do nothing but ruin friendship and cause a rift between friends because that's what they love to do. Perhaps, it's an advantage if we consider that some men and some women make life worse for the normal men and women amongst us.

female exclusive places: bathrooms, domestic violence shelters, changing rooms

women shelters aren't women only anymore. Give up that naive dream. And you know what else? Men hate those shelters, always did. I guess a woman hiding from a man who beats his wife half to death daily is weak in their eyes.

Edit: I shouldn't generalise it, but I do remember a generally negative view from men when it comes to talking about women's shelters. There are women who abuse it and say a man in abusive so they can use the court system (though unsuccessfully) against them. But in majority of the cases it is a real threat situation and it's hard to weed out the fakers. Many women don't even dare to run away from an abusive man or are stuck with Stockholm syndrome. The shelter is open for all women and all women get help, doubting the real victims and making them go through questioning, them having to prove without any doubt that they have been abused, is only scaring them away. The shelter is there to protect and usually there are some Amazon built woman guarding the place who will beat a man to a wimp if he tried to fuck with them. But back to the point that there is a generally negative view on women's shelter, coming from men who think it's ridiculous and then complain that all women are fakers.

 

[Topaz Eyes]

I am conflicted about this.

On one hand, forcing pooners to admit that they're actually women LARPing as men is very funny.
On the other hand, pooners are invariably unhinged lunatics and probably shouldn't be allowed to post there.

I'd support it if pooners were identified with a special badge so everyone knows where their annoying views come from.

 

[AbyssStarer]

If you say you can keep troons banned by ID it means user posts are tied to IDs that admins can see, right? That's a deal breaker for me. I like the general idea though.

 

[Sonic]

Retention of information would be on the privacy policy of the 3rd party service. I could shop around for a good one but I think there might be issues getting any of them to tolerate a site that will naturally draw fire and put them under the spotlight.

There's no real good alternatives. Either I'm manually verifying them myself, which exposes the platform to more liability since it has to actually process IDs, or I'm accepting pictures or something which is prone to human error and I'm basically just asking a bunch of women to send me selfies.

Generic 3rd party verification sounds like the most sane and accessible option.

Honestly, I don't know you or your character as a real person out in the wild, so to speak, but I have been on this site for long enough to know that I trust you with my PII more than some huge corporation.

If you do move forward with this project, I would love to help! be it financially or whatever.

 

[the rat]

If you say you can keep troons banned by ID it means user posts are tied to IDs that admins can see, right? That's a deal breaker for me. I like the general idea though.

If you read through the thread properly it was explained that the girl talk website would only hold the gender identifier data and the third party would hold the IDs for validation, the IDs shouldn't be accessible to anyone but the third party for use in validation.

The process works like this:

1. Register on SITE.
2. Forwarded to 3RD PARTY.
3. Data uploaded to 3RD PARTY.
4. Data processed, stored, handled, exclusively by 3RD PARTY.
5. 3RD PARTY asks you for consent to send specific information to SITE (in this instance, only Gender).
6. SITE stores an API token (looks like 'b594e335-ea8d-4a6f-969a-ab167a56eef5').

• This token means nothing on its own.
• This token has value to the 3RD PARTY.
• SITE can check this token against 3RD PARTY to ensure that no one registers twice.

7. In the event of total data breach, hackers get meaningless tokens, F/M.

I'm not settled on an account system yet. You'd basically log in with this token.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Here is another way of keeping modt troons from a woman only board: Make a honey pot.

Make a secret but fake NSFW-smol-slut-kink-photo sharing subforum that you have to send a written application to the sysadmin to access. Anyone who applies for access is obviously a tranny and can be banned. All the applications can then be ridiculed and mocked here on the farms. Its win-win.

 

[isalaide]

Nothing inherent in the verification system would require the ID evidence to be kept after the account was verified.

That could all be deleted once admin verified Not-A-Moid, which helpfully gets rid of the "but what about if the database leaks" concern.

You can't leak, or hand over in response to a lolsuit, data which you no longer have.

 

[Pool's Closed Due to AIDS]

Textile factories are run by , staffed by and mostly owned by women( or families ) in my home country without much issues.

Sounds like Estonia, Latvia, or maybe Lithuania. My wife is obsesssed with linen and it usually comes from those countries.

Could a female only board be trialled here first and then see how that goes?
On the honour system at first and if the gals detect a male then that user has to then prove they are not. Most users here have identified themselves as male/female by now anyway so it wouldn't be too many people having to "prove" themselves at first.

Meanwhile, is there a way to make the anon posting happen on here for everyone?
I like the idea of a trial "chaos" thread.
Maybe no images/media allowed to start with, just a place to vent and say things you don't want to say with your username attached but only Null can see which user actually posted what.

 

[Lidl Drip]

I was gonna suggest also gatekeeping pick-me's (as honorary moids) but then I realized they would never join a community with no men to give them asspats and assure them they are better than other women.

 

[Irregardless]

I am conflicted about this.

On one hand, forcing pooners to admit that they're actually women LARPing as men is very funny.
On the other hand, pooners are invariably unhinged lunatics and probably shouldn't be allowed to post there.

I'd advocate for both sex and "gender" to be female as giving pooners sole agency to harass women on the site kinda defeats the purpose of a "women's only space" in today's society.

I think the main concerns, though, would be how to convince women that their anonymity is safe since "3rd party verification" might not be reassuring enough to those who aren't very tech savvy. Normally this wouldn't be an issue, but seeing as how it would potentially be tied to a/the creator of a "Nazi forum" the past has shown us that there will be attempts to dox and harass the user base.

 

[AbyssStarer]

read through the thread properly it was explained that the girl talk website would only hold the gender identifier data and the third party would hold the IDs for validation, the IDs shouldn't be accessible to anyone but the third party for use in validation.

Okay, say a moid uses a woman's ID to post and they're permabanned if they out themselves. How do you link the post to that ID then? Hmm? Edit: op explicitly states that men would get weeded out by banning their IDs even if they get through the first screening. So what then? No twice submitted IDs? What if someone wants to get back in after losing passwords or whatever? Takes a few socks to figure it out?

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I was gonna suggest also gatekeeping pick-me's (as honorary moids) but then I realized they would never join a community with no men to give them asspats and assure them they are better than other women.

They always do until they go into fight about how women need to be back in the kitchen or feminism is evil or something. Then they get banned . Keep in mind there are men reading the man hate thread to seeth about it all the time and they give extra asspats to women who show up to spit on the " feminist"

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[Justa Grata Honoria]

Sounds like Estonia, Latvia, or maybe Lithuania. My wife is obsesssed with linen and it usually comes from those countries.

Sorry for double post its all of ee, textile industry is low paid mostly women job that needs some genuine skill if you want higher quality products. You cannot get that with countries that have average iq of 80. You need at least iq 90 for decent craftsman. There are many more sewing, knitting and textile factories with various products that they easily go for 200-300 a pop . Gudrun sjoden gets half of its shit from Bulgaria.

 

[Cemetery Support]

I could totally see this having a positive effect on less females having complete mental fucking breakdowns when a male doesn't kiss their feet on this website.

Kissing female feet?



In seriousness, god bless women.

I have a female farmer in my life and LCF fulfills her need for a girl-only space. I am watching first hand what a lack of a girlzone does to a girl. It needs to exist. CC is troon infested, Fujochan is coomer infested, and KF has issues with guys who have a penis between their ears.