Plagued Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

[Equal Rights for Androids]

One common argument I see from Lolicons that I find mildly amusing is how often they’ll deflect to pointing out that Cuties exist, so therefore we shouldn’t make fun of their fetish for drawn children.

They think they made a point, but all they end up showing is that they’re being willfully obtuse about the subject matter. Ignoring the obvious deflection tactic, just about 90% of Netizens were calling for the movie to be boycott because of how it sexually exploited the young actresses. The only people defending it were either doing it to “own the conservatives” or straight up pedophiles (or both).

Funny enough, it’s an argument that says more about the Lolicon than it does about the “Antis” they’re arguing with.

It’s an argument whose foundation is built upon the assumption that “Antis” ever supported Cuties in the first place. If a person loathes the sexualization of children, they’re more likely to loathe it regardless if it’s real or fictional.

Every adult that contributed to the making of Cuties deserves the wall.

 

[Kiwisee]

Every adult that contributed to the making of Cuties deserves the wall.

They should be hung from the gallows, and slowly suffocate so that they spend their last few minutes reflecting on their pathetic lives while the air slowly leaves their bodies.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Every adult that contributed to the making of Cuties deserves the wall.

"I'm going to sexually exploit children and then tell everyone that sexually exploiting children is bad!"

 

[Sneeding]

They picked a fight with Child Assault and sided with the Assaulter

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

Every adult that contributed to the making of Cuties deserves the wall.

And Sneako for making that one video while we’re at it

 

[LavenderMenace]

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What they mean to say is that there are no studies that investigate whether looking at drawn child porn leads to real rape. Not that there are some that disprove that it leads to real rape. There aren't. However, studies have already shown that watching violent porn can lead one to act more violent. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6751001/ That's a RECENT study, newer than the Big-Porn industry-paid studies. That show yes, it does increase violence.

There are multiple Japanese articles that argue that lolicon doesn’t help with pedophilic urges. In fact it can be a catalyst for a mentally unstable person to act out their desires.

It’s comparable to liking drawn beastiality porn. Yeah it’s a drawing but you’re getting your rocks off to realistic proportioned animals getting fucked by humans.

Here’s 2 that I found involving the culprit and liking lolicon from Japan the other day. You’ll need to translate the pages.

(2014) Kurashiki Kidnapping Case (X)

• (Article talking about it along with lolicon as a whole) Kitahara Minori: "Let's think about 'Lolicon culture' together" in the Kurashiki girl abduction case (X)

(2018 ) ＜Niigata girl murder＞ The moment the suspect's mask came off; he had been obsessed with "2D girls" since high school. (X)

 

[TNF]

One common argument I see from Lolicons that I find mildly amusing is how often they’ll deflect to pointing out that Cuties exist, so therefore we shouldn’t make fun of their fetish for drawn children.

The Cuties argument is the most disingenuous one. People actually boycotted the movie. It was rightfully critizied by literally everyone in the west who knew that this movie exists. Heck, 4chan even banned promotion of that movie.

Only lolicons act like Cuties is considered as some master piece in the west that people celebrated.

 

[James done did it]

"she's not a kid bro she's a 1000-year-old spirit dragon."

The converse of this, when an anime girl who is canonically underage is drawn as an obviously post-pubescent adult generates outrage is one of the most bizarre zoomer trends to me. The 'ackshully she's a 1,000 year old dragon who just looks and acts like a 7 year old girl' and 'ackshully she is canonically 16 and you're a pedo for liking an image of an anime girl drawn off-model with huge tits' are equally stupid.

Nobody cares what arbitrary age is assigned to a cartoon but what it's obviously depicting. It's easy to identify pre and post pubescent body types. If you're attracted to prepubescent body types, whether it's a cartoon or 3d, you're a pedo.

 

[Vecr]

The converse of this, when an anime girl who is canonically underage is drawn as an obviously post-pubescent adult generates outrage is one of the most bizarre zoomer trends to me. The 'ackshully she's a 1,000 year old dragon who just looks and acts like a 7 year old girl' and 'ackshully she is canonically 16 and you're a pedo for liking an image of an anime girl drawn off-model with huge tits' are equally stupid.

Nobody cares what arbitrary age is assigned to a cartoon but what it's obviously depicting. It's easy to identify pre and post pubescent body types. If you're attracted to prepubescent body types, whether it's a cartoon or 3d, you're a pedo.

Personally I think that's flying too close to the sun, why not have a standard that needs both requirements met, or all of a long list of requirements met? BOTH canonical age being over a certain value AND visual age.

 

[James done did it]

Personally I think that's flying too close to the sun, why not have a standard that needs both requirements met, or all of a long list of requirements met? BOTH canonical age being over a certain value AND visual age.

I think fundamentally nobody should really care as long as a depiction is clearly postpubescent. Unless you know the lore of whatever anime character is being depicted there is functionally no way to know how old it is. Hatsune Miku is 16, Kasane Teto is 31, they are typically depicted with virtually the same body type/proportions, I don't buy that one is pedo and one isn't and I also don't buy that you find a character attractive, then go and google her canonical age and are supposed to then act like you don't find her attractive anymore otherwise you're now a pedo. The visual smell test is all that should be needed.

I also think there's an active movement of pedos/pedo enablers trying to broaden the scope of what is considered pedophilia in order to increase its acceptability by proxy, or to focus energy/outrage on a different demographic as a form of trollshielding. You will find plenty of loli gooners hidden in that crowd, I'd bet. Same deal as woman respecter feminist rapists.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

Personally I think that's flying too close to the sun, why not have a standard that needs both requirements met, or all of a long list of requirements met? BOTH canonical age being over a certain value AND visual age.

Bruh Jotaro is 17 but look at him. He likely looked that way at 16 too.

You're telling me I'm a pedophile because I think he's hot. Kakyoin is also 17 and looks similar to him. Polnareff is 36 and looks exactly like them.


Anime characters do not have the same conventional identifiers that humans IRL have in terms of appearance = age. That is a fullgrown adult male in design and he also acts like a grown adult. You're not a pedophile just because of age. You're a pedophile primarily of the type of body (CHILD) and sometimes behavior (a child-like character acting like a child) you're sexually attracted to.

This is why a 900year old loli demon is not a good excuse. She has a child's body, you're a pedophile. It's not the age that matters necessarily for drawn characters.

My girl friend got called a pedophile for liking kill la kill because the main characters were 17 year olds. They're drawn as adult women with adult behavior. Their age isn't mentioned in the show.

Your argument is as dumb as the retards'.

On the other hand, Mako looks young to me and acts like a child despite being 17 so you might be a lil sus if you find her hot (and very sus if other characters you like have younger visual characteristics). She could be fuckin 20 years old but because of the way she's drawn and how she acts, you're bit sus for gettin horny to her.


There are women who have thyroid issues and never end up going through puberty, sticking them in a child's body forever. The men that try to date these women (grown 18+ adults) are pedophiles because of the body they're interested in.

 

[Vecr]

Bruh Jotaro is 17 but look at him. He likely looked that way at 16 too.

You're telling me I'm a pedophile because I think he's hot. Kakyoin is also 17 and looks similar to him. Polnareff is 36 and looks exactly like them.
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Anime characters do not have the same conventional identifiers that humans IRL have in terms of appearance = age. That is a fullgrown adult male in design and he also acts like a grown adult. You're not a pedophile just because of age. You're a pedophile primarily of the type of body (CHILD) and sometimes behavior (a child-like character acting like a child) you're sexually attracted to.

This is why a 900year old loli demon is not a good excuse. She has a child's body, you're a pedophile. It's not the age that matters necessarily for drawn characters.

I guess so, but I don't really see the point. Aren't there enough characters that meet stringent requirements that you don't have to bother with the ones that don't? Maybe I'm out of touch because I don't get highly attached to fictional characters/universes.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

I guess so, but I don't really see the point. Aren't there enough characters that meet stringent requirements that you don't have to bother with the ones that don't? Maybe I'm out of touch because I don't get highly attached to fictional characters/universes.

I care more about the body type and the behavior than the age when it comes to drawn pictures. Again, 900 year old lolidemon = you're still a pedophile. I wouldn't be able to tell that jotaro was 17 until i looked up the wiki info. I thought he was like fuckin 45 years old lmao.
I can literally just age him up 1 year in my head and he's ok to you. He is rendered younger at 28, 30, and 40 years old but behaves the same way as during 17. Why? because he's already character-typed as a grown adult despite the age initially given to him.

This is him at 40. Looks a lot younger than he was at 17. So it doesn't fucking matter.

If you find this attractive, though, you're a pedophile
Now, the real life argument:

Yes, they look like adults, but they sure as hell don't act like one. They lack the maturity and will act childish for they are real people this age. Who wants to date something like that???

2D characters have two-dimensional personalities. They aren't a whole person. They're depicted in one way with a complete disregard to what their assigned age usually entails. You could change Jotaro's age to 50 in the show and it wouldn't change a thing. I don't think any non-nigger 17 year old would act as jotaro does.

I'm willing to have my mind changed on this, I just need logic-based arguments rather than emotional ones.

this shit is why i don't trust ages in anime

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

The converse of this, when an anime girl who is canonically underage is drawn as an obviously post-pubescent adult generates outrage is one of the most bizarre zoomer trends to me. The 'ackshully she's a 1,000 year old dragon who just looks and acts like a 7 year old girl' and 'ackshully she is canonically 16 and you're a pedo for liking an image of an anime girl drawn off-model with huge tits' are equally stupid.

Nobody cares what arbitrary age is assigned to a cartoon but what it's obviously depicting. It's easy to identify pre and post pubescent body types. If you're attracted to prepubescent body types, whether it's a cartoon or 3d, you're a pedo.

True, body type is what it ultimately boils down to in the end

 

[James done did it]

Yeah I'm not in the "BUT ITSCH JUSCHT CAHTOONSCH" white bowser faction, but at the same time you can't really apply the same standard to cartoons as real people because any number you assign to an age of a fictional character is inherently arbitrary, while real people have a factual chronological age. So for fictional characters the sensible standard is what is being depicted, not whatever label an artist applies. Like these are two depictions of Hatsune Miku:

Spoiler: pedo

Spoiler: clearly not pedo

The fact that she's canonically 16 and that the official art tends to depict her as a young, slim woman doesn't matter in the context of these depictions IMO.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Bruh Jotaro is 17 but look at him. He likely looked that way at 16 too.

True, body type is what it ultimately boils down to in the end

Sort of? For example, where I grew up, 16 is the age of consent. There are no weird rules about age ranges - once you're 16, you can fuck and get fucked. In other states, though, this is illegal. So, if a fictional character is 16 and "looks" 16, what does that mean ethically and legally? What does a 16 year old "look" like generally? Do all fictional characters involved in pornography have to be 18 as is required by 18 USC § 2256? What do we make of these edge cases?

Make note that I'm not going to bat for lolicon/shotacon defenders. I think it's an interesting discussion. Although, it may not be relevant for this thread, depending on whether OP wants to pursue these sort of edge cases.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

once you're 16, you can fuck and get fucked. In other states, though, this is illegal. So, if a fictional character is 16 and "looks" 16, what does that mean ethically and legally? What does a 16 year old "look" like generally? Do all fictional characters involved in pornography have to be 18 as is required by 18 USC § 2256? What do we make of these edge cases?

Good point. Age of consent is literally just a judgment call from the government. It used to be like 10 in 1880. Now it's 18. Slavery used to be legal. Child prostitution used to be legal. Horrific animal abuse used to be legal. Just because the GOVERNMENT says it's right doesn't mean it is. Things that can change like this are a weak source for establishing morals (which should not change in most situations). It wasn't moral for it to be 10 then, it isn't now even though it was legal at one point. A 16 year old really isn't much different from an 18 year old maturity wise. Logically, the age of consent should be 25, when people's frontal lobe is finished developing (the part of the brain responsible for rational decision making). But no one is gonna agree to that lmao. 18 is literally just an arbitrary age based on societal constructs.

I like the romeo/juliet laws. 4 years within your age range and it's probably fine just based on the fact that you've likely got similar life experience as the other person.

Of course this doesn't apply to anime, where a 17 year old could have murdered 18 people and is basically The Godfather in appearance and behavior. It's because they don't age the same way that real humans do. They're written however the writer wishes to write them as, regardless of whatever age label they assign. If you say your character is ten years old but has the appearance and behavior (and probably wisdom) of a mature thickbuff adult male, I'm still gonna think he's hot because the character registers as a mature adult male, not as what I know a 10 year old to actually be.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Look I'm just going to say this. If the charecter looks five, its five, and you're a sick fuck if you think its hot. That is lolicon. Getting above that and you're getting into the weeds where the lolicons love whipping out the 500 year old vampire argument and fucking with your head. Use your brain, if it stinks, don't fuck with it. Just use common sense.

 

[Vecr]

It wasn't moral for it to be 10 then, it isn't now even though it was legal at one point. A 16 year old really isn't much different from an 18 year old maturity wise. Logically, the age of consent should be 25, when people's frontal lobe is finished developing (the part of the brain responsible for rational decision making). But no one is gonna agree to that lmao. 18 is literally just an arbitrary age based on societal constructs.

Yes, but I like to think of it as holding the line on the slippery slope. 18 is a fallback point that can feasibly be defended, but the war must be fought there or lost to the pedophiles.

 

[LavenderMenace]

Anime is a visual media.

Characters that are supposed to have some maturity will be drawn with a developed body, teenaged or adult.

The other side of the argument of "This character is a teenager" is made by only teenagers and retarded "adults" (Look up My Hero Academia forums/discussions).

I don't care what you goon to, but when the character is a literal child that goes to elementary school, you're a pedophile.