Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Meh123]

This is one job a woman can do better than any man.

Fite me.

Yet another reason not to conscript women.

 

[Fapcop]

Apparently CNN has blown the whistle on the disastrous state of the жожол army.

Most of a battalion of 800 just walked off. Fuck me!



19.000 cases of desertion in four months. And that’s likely an undercount. Fuck me.

From what I’ve been reading, there are plenty of issues with armed men in Ukrainian cities robbing, getting into fights and occasional shootouts.

Afghanistan is probably the future for what remains of Ukraine after Russian annexes what it wants/needs.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Most of a battalion of 800 just walked off. Fuck me!

That's okay, they allegedly have another 500 000 coming right up.

 

[BikeLock]

Back to back updates from Patrick Lancaster (status; not dead).
They find an find an alleged pollock merc (status: dead).

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He is running around with Akhmat SF group in Kursk checking out busted ukrainian positions.
They eat their cookies and take their ammo. The positions all look like hobo camps with food and ammo that looks like it came from walmart rather then proper military issued stuff.
And he gets an interview with a Major General who says the 2-3 months timeline.

I know "beggars can't be choosers" but PMC is commercial garbage .223. I would go so far as to say that the local made steel cased .223 is better, as its not coming from you know, South Korea.

You are legit down bad if you're taking PMC to war.

The fact they're using civilian-grade .223 Remington that I could buy myself, right now, instead of NATO (surplus?) M193 5.56x45mm is very telling. These "mercs" are badly equipped if this is what they're using...

It's not just "civilian grade" its "bottom tier, civilian grade."

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Phone? Car? Mate, I can hardly afford food. My phone is 10 years old and I don't have a fucking car.

Nigger, how you gonna afford a wife and kids if you don't have a car?

You need to move to Belarus, the land of opportunity.

 

[Fapcop]

That's okay, they allegedly have another 500 000 coming right up.

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Hmm… Yeah… The Volkssturm was also pretty menacing on paper.

Part of the reason why they’re fucked, is also the way they keep forming new units, instead of removing veteran units and putting their manpower replacements there.

Part of the reason why the Wehrmacht lasted so long, was because they were pretty good at trickling green recruits into barre hardened veteran units.

The Khokhols keep their veterans on the frontlines until they’re all dead, and then replace them with green units who had a month of training. And a commander 10 miles behind them.

 

[White_N]

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Everytime I see a new article about the Ukies inventing new ways to break international law, all I can ever think about is that one day this'll probably be used on Americans. But it's fine for now, because it's just "orcs"

Wow, you weren't kidding
The sincerity of posts like this that are supposed to be jokes is a little scary

 

[Meh123]

That's okay, they allegedly have another 500 000 coming right up.

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Notice how they mention "500k bayonets ready" to invade. They're not even getting Orkish Shovels..
Also pretty to think the ruZZian orkz will not do anything significant in the winter.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Wait a minute...

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This video is like 2 years old at this point

 

[Brahma]

From what I’ve been reading, there are plenty of issues with armed men in Ukrainian cities robbing, getting into fights and occasional shootouts.

Did they ever get around to gathering up all the arms they handed out in the opening days of the war when they thought that Putin was planning another Sarajevo?
I'd imagine even if they tried, a lot went missing and the last people to hand them back would have been the dealers and pimps

 

[Happy Camper]

Found time to watch the video. While his content is good on balance, I wish he didn't act as sensationalist about things he obviously doesn't believe in himself.
>IF 1% OF ALL THE REFUGEES SIGN UP THAT CAN FILL A WHILE BRIGADE THAT'S A HUGE DEAL!!!
Lots of things on that level. He contradicts that point too in the video itself by pointing out the more somber reality: yes, training a few randoms few a few months doesn't really plug the hole when your army suffers those kinds of losses multiple times over on a weekly basis. Why even go through the process then of pretending otherwise for part of the video? Not like playing to the side of the audience that wants pro-Ukrainian content cares, because they will flip to a different channel when the second half of the quote drops.

So yeah like his content overall but he should just stick to straightforward analysis with his unfiltered and unbiased thoughts instead without wasting a quarter of the video on something he himself disagrees with. It's why I've been a much bigger fan of Weeb Union lately as that bloke just drops autistic map analyses and when he does editorialize it's usually just a quick aside at the start and end of a video.

Hmm… Yeah… The Volkssturm was also pretty menacing on paper.

Part of the reason why they’re fucked, is also the way they keep forming new units, instead of removing veteran units and putting their manpower replacements there.

Part of the reason why the Wehrmacht lasted so long, was because they were pretty good at trickling green recruits into barre hardened veteran units.

The Khokhols keep their veterans on the frontlines until they’re all dead, and then replace them with green units who had a month of training. And a commander 10 miles behind them.

You see these kinds of mistakes a lot and it's been depressing to see from a purely human perspective since day one. Mariupol really set the tone: huge chunks of the fighting force, encircled and in the end effectively wiped off the map in an encirclement. Same story in Bakhmut and Avdeevka, always waiting until everything's utterly lost before you give the command to retreat across icy/muddy fields on foot or on dirt roads under the vigilant watch of artillery and aircraft. If they'd husbanded their forces and occasionally employed tactical/strategic withdrawals more wisely, I don't think anyone would disagree that they'd be in a better place than they are now.

Then again, westerners seem to broadly believe that real wars operate on the same rules as RTS rather than being a real human tragedy, but even in a purely robotically inhuman sense this doesn't make sense. Of course you'd want to preserve your veterans and trained men. Suffering staggering losses in doomed defensives isn't just a human tragedy, but military foolishness as well.

 

[Fapcop]

Then again, westerners seem to broadly believe that real wars operate on the same rules as RTS rather than being a real human tragedy, but even in a purely robotically inhuman sense this doesn't make sense. Of course you'd want to preserve your veterans and trained men. Suffering staggering losses in doomed defensives isn't just a human tragedy, but military foolishness as well.

For all the mythical “human wave” attacks that somehow have never been captured on camera, the Russian army seems to do a much better job at sherparding their men.

Even now when they have the advantage and could theoretically make some bold, deep strikes, you see little of the sort.

Instead they seem to go for overwhelming bombardment from artillery and the air, and only when there numerically superior and have great fire support do they advance, slowly but methodically.

(And of course the occasional brilliant, daring moves like the tunnel attack in Avdeyevka, or occasional bold motorcycle attacks.)

 

[The Foxtrot]

Even now when they have the advantage and could theoretically make some bold, deep strikes, you see little of the sort.

Instead they seem to go for overwhelming bombardment from artillery and the air, and only when there numerically superior and have great fire support do they advance, slowly but methodically.

Funny, this is exactly what the US Army did in Europe in WW2. But when Russia does it in the modern day, it's not the same, magically.

 

[Susanna]

For all the mythical “human wave” attacks that somehow have never been captured on camera, the Russian army seems to do a much better job at sherparding their men.

Even now when they have the advantage and could theoretically make some bold, deep strikes, you see little of the sort.

Instead they seem to go for overwhelming bombardment from artillery and the air, and only when there numerically superior and have great fire support do they advance, slowly but methodically.

(And of course the occasional brilliant, daring moves like the tunnel attack in Avdeyevka, or occasional bold motorcycle attacks.)

Human wave attacks were never Russian (or Soviet) doctrine. It’s an artillery army with really good armour. The idea is called deep operation, you smash the enemy’s front lines and then send in tanks and mobile infantry to disrupt enemy logistics. Drones make the mobile infantry part more dangerous, so that part is slower today, just like lack of motor vehicles during the great patriotic war led to things like infantry riding on top of tanks to move around quicker. Lack of organisation during the early stages of the great patriotic war led to militia units making foolish and dangerous assaults that kind of looked like human wave attacks, but it absolutely wasn’t doctrine, nor even intentional. The only modern army that’s really used human wave tactics as a doctrine is China (specifically Nationalist China, today’s Taiwan), who disregarded human life almost as much as the Japanese they were repelling.

 

[Happy Camper]

For all the mythical “human wave” attacks that somehow have never been captured on camera, the Russian army seems to do a much better job at sherparding their men.

I can not for the life of me understand why they keep insisting on this nonsense. It's such a moronic lie. I know I shat on HL a fair bit in my prior post, but I genuinely think he's a smart guy. Here's a fantastic example from a handful of months back: him dismantling the entire human wave meme not just for this war but for many others as well.

It's a dumb meme. No one's ever used these attacks in any relatively modern era, let alone any contemporary conflict. It boggles the mind how any serious adult can fall for these kinds of hoaxes. Simply put, what blatant war propaganda does to a (low info) mf.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Human rights for one.

Everyone has the right to be a conscientious objector. Fuck, over half the rapefugees we get from Ethiopia and Eritrea are here because they don’t want to serve.

If my country was retarded enough to declare war on Russia and called me up, you best believe I’d go some place else.

If your government is a rotten nest of Globohomo servants who despises you, fuck showing up to fight for that government.

Also it’s a question of fairness.

Why should Ukrainians who were smart enough to get out of 404 in time get sent to die, when every millionaire and politicians son is chilling in Spain and UAE?

What human rights? We shouldn't be sheltering them, they should be home putting pressure on their govt to stop this bullshit. What about my rights to not have cost of living shoot up, or gopnik cunts behaving like thugs around my city?

 

[Fapcop]

What human rights? We shouldn't be sheltering them, they should be home putting pressure on their govt to stop this bullshit. What about my rights to not have cost of living shoot up, or gopnik cunts behaving like thugs around my city?

Well fair…

However: COUNTERPOINT!

The fewer hohols that are sent back to die, the sooner the hoholia army collapses.

The sooner it collapses, the sooner lil’ Z will be dangling from a lamppost and Russia can sign a peace deal or insert a puppet.

The sooner there’ll be peace or a puppet in place in Kiev, the sooner we can start shipping back canbageniggers to Kiev where they belong.

Win! Win! Win!

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Well fair…

However: COUNTERPOINT!

The fewer hohols that are sent back to die, the sooner the hoholia army collapses.

The sooner it collapses, the sooner lil’ Z will be dangling from a lamppost and Russia can sign a peace deal or insert a puppet.

The sooner there’ll be peace or a puppet in place in Kiev, the sooner we can start shipping back canbageniggers to Kiev where they belong.

Win! Win! Win!

I'm paying for this fucking war, I WANT VALUE FOR MONEY

 

[Fapcop]

It's a dumb meme. No one's ever used these attacks in any relatively modern era, let alone any contemporary conflict. It boggles the mind how any serious adult can fall for these kinds of hoaxes. Simply put, what blatant war propaganda does to a (low info) mf.

Human wave attacks were never Russian (or Soviet) doctrine. It’s an artillery army with really good armour.

The whole “human wave” deal is rooted in Russophobia. Kinda like the old canards about how a “Russian’s love a harsh, cruel Czar”.

If you can pretend that Russians are unintelligent brutes, driven forward by cunning, cruel commissars or threats of being mowed down by machine gun fire, it makes the war more palatable in the west. “SEE?!? Russians are actually also victims of cruel, evil Putler!”

That way, Ukrainians and Westerners can pretend that Russians are simultaneously both halfwit beasts and victims.

Rather than brave men, who are fighting for a cause they believe in, because their countrymen are being killed and their nation threatened.

 

[EscapeVorkuta]

I can't help but chuckle when I hear Western Military historians discuss Russia's propensity for "meat wave" attacks. Some of the most ineffective "meat wave" attacks in history were conducted by the Western Allies during World War I. The Somme and Verdun, for example. One of the greatest innovators of combined arms assaults that broke the static trench warfare of World War I was Aleksei Brusilov, a Russian general that served both the Tsar and the Soviets. Many of his strategies were employed in the later stages of the war to great effect by the Western powers. Once again, arrogant Western pundits attempting to re-write history to dehumanize the Russians.