Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging

[ChurchOfGodBear]

They should consider building walls.

At least give them their own entrance to theaters and restaurants, so we don't have to mingle with them. Their own schools, if possible.

 

[TheImportantFart]

Remember the shitstorm a few years ago, when Bill Nye agreed to debate Ken Ham about evolution, and there was much REEEEing that Mr. Science shouldn't lower himself to discussing evolution with a creationist. And Ken shouldn't be given a platform to speak his mind, because IT'S ALL SETTLED AND WE KNOW BEST can't letthose crazy fundies have an inch or they'll destroy us all with their ignorance rays.

The debate came and Nye mopped the floor with the guy, albeit politely and respectfully. And if anything, it made strict creationists look even more detached from reality.

This brings me onto a point I've wanted to make for a while. They'd be loathe to admit it, considering most prominent YouTube atheists have moved on to bashing SJWs, but the Atheism community was actually the breeding ground for a lot of SJW attitudes and arguments we see today. The Atheism community is the first place I saw the [CURRENT YEAR] argument being put forth - I can't count the number of times I went to a YouTube video debating the existence of God and found the comments full of things like: "It's [CURRENT YEAR]. Aren't we a bit old for this God business?"

Similarly, refusing to debate people who disagreed with you was something you saw a lot of. Richard Dawkins vowed never to debate a Creationist because he considered it beneath him and thought that giving them a platform would give them some legitimacy. He also refused to debate William Lane Craig because Craig defended one of the genocides depicted in the Bible and Dawkins used the same logic to argue that Craig shouldn't be given a platform. For a while, he refused to debate theists in general because he considered them beneath him, although he did eventually relent on that point. It's kind of funny, because he nearly ended up being no-platformed himself. Karma eh?

I'm really not surprised the Social Justice community ended up infesting the Atheism Community as thoroughly as it did - a lot of the mindsets required to be an SJW were already there.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

This brings me onto a point I've wanted to make for a while. They'd be loathe to admit it, considering most prominent YouTube atheists have moved on to bashing SJWs, but the Atheism community was actually the breeding ground for a lot of SJW attitudes and arguments we see today. The Atheism community is the first place I saw the [CURRENT YEAR] argument being put forth - I can't count the number of times I went to a YouTube video debating the existence of God and found the comments full of things like: "It's [CURRENT YEAR]. Aren't we a bit old for this God business?"

Similarly, refusing to debate people who disagreed with you was something you saw a lot of. Richard Dawkins vowed never to debate a Creationist because he considered it beneath him and thought that giving them a platform would give them some legitimacy. He also refused to debate William Lane Craig because Craig defended one of the genocides depicted in the Bible and Dawkins used the same logic to argue that Craig shouldn't be given a platform. For a while, he refused to debate theists in general because he considered them beneath him, although he did eventually relent on that point. It's kind of funny, because he nearly ended up being no-platformed himself. Karma eh?

I'm really not surprised the Social Justice community ended up infesting the Atheism Community as thoroughly as it did - a lot of the mindsets required to be an SJW were already there.

Universal test of your position: if the roles were reversed, would you still agree? Scientist won't debate a creationist? "WHOOO HOO! Don't humor those cavemen!" Creationist won't debate a scientist? "Aha! Just shows their scared and can't defend their beliefs!"

... Nope, sorry, it doesn't work that way. Something can't be good when you do it and bad when someone else does it.

Science is built on the concept of building models and having those models work every single time. If the model is sound, it can withstand a debate. It can withstand two. It can withstand ten, it can withstand a hundred. A scientist who can debate his or her model is a scientist who has tested it and knows it. I'm gonna trust that all day long.

I would also think that SJWs and YouTube Athiests have a very similar demographic... people in their teens and 20s adopting similar schools of thought. I also suspect the opportunities to cross-breed between the two populations must be an added incentive.

Personally, the biggest surprise I see is that Athiests, who often claim to lead their lives by logic and reason, will engage in such blatant fallacies, not the least of which being "IT'S CURRENT YEAR!". I mean, SJWs lead by their emotions, I can see that coming from them. But I'm really disappointed to see Atheists go that route.

Then again, SJW pussy is at stake.

 

[TheImportantFart]

Personally, the biggest surprise I see is that Athiests, who often claim to lead their lives by logic and reason, will engage in such blatant fallacies, not the least of which being "IT'S CURRENT YEAR!". I mean, SJWs lead by their emotions, I can see that coming from them. But I'm really disappointed to see Atheists go that route.

This is why I've never considered myself part of the Atheist Community, even though I'm an atheist. Back in the day, I'd see stuff like "If you don't constantly tell religious people they're deluded morons you're not a real atheist!" and much like how there's "white feminism" and "intersectional feminism" you'd also have "weak atheism" and "strong atheism". Nowadays someone is declared "the wrong kind of feminist", but back then you could also be "the wrong kind of atheist". Piss off. The only requirement to be an atheist is that you don't believe in God. That's it. Personally, as long as someone's practice of their religion doesn't infringe on another's rights, I don't care what you believe. That doesn't make me less of an atheist.

It's worth remembering the religious right also has a lot of parallels with Social Justice. Ben Stein's "documentary" (it's more of a propaganda piece) Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed uses tactics so dishonest they'd actually make someone like Brianna Wu blush, but a lot of them are the same as ones SJWs have used to back up their garbage ideas.

The point is, extremist ideologies share a lot of the same elements, even if they march under different banners and hate each other.

All that said, I think the SJW phenomenon has been very good for the Atheist Community. It's made a lot of them look at themselves and be more open to free speech and debating and embracing people who disagree with you, and they've also jettisoned a lot of their more fallacious arguments. Lots of the Atheist YouTube channels I follow are a lot more watchable now it's not just an anti-Christianity echo chamber.

 

[QB 290]

This is why I've never considered myself part of the Atheist Community, even though I'm an atheist. Back in the day, I'd see stuff like "If you don't constantly tell religious people they're deluded morons you're not a real atheist!" and much like how there's "white feminism" and "intersectional feminism" you'd also have "weak atheism" and "strong atheism". Nowadays someone is declared "the wrong kind of feminist", but back then you could also be "the wrong kind of atheist". Piss off. The only requirement to be an atheist is that you believe in God. That's it. Personally, as long as someone's practice of their religion doesn't infringe on another's rights, I don't care what you believe. That doesn't make me less of an atheist.

One ideology leads to another, always keeping the sacred rule of "no true Scotsman".
Its happened since the start of political agenda, carry's on now and will exist until we realise that dividing ourselves will only create future enemies so as long as we keep our minds pure.

 

[Patrick Buttman]

This brings me onto a point I've wanted to make for a while. They'd be loathe to admit it, considering most prominent YouTube atheists have moved on to bashing SJWs, but the Atheism community was actually the breeding ground for a lot of SJW attitudes and arguments we see today. The Atheism community is the first place I saw the [CURRENT YEAR] argument being put forth - I can't count the number of times I went to a YouTube video debating the existence of God and found the comments full of things like: "It's [CURRENT YEAR]. Aren't we a bit old for this God business?"

I remember that too. The YouTube atheists like Mrrepzion, Amazing Atheist, and Cult of Dusty were talking about the rise of "Atheism Plus", which sought to SJW-ize the atheist community and make it all about "intersectional feminism" and shit like that. It was basically a dry run for SJWs before they went on to try that shit with gaming, which led to Gamergate.

 

[TheImportantFart]

It was basically a dry run for SJWs before they went on to try that shit with gaming, which led to Gamergate.

Atheism Plus is very much where this whole thing began, or at least first came to prominence. It was even started by a "-gate" event (Elevatorgate). People often think the SJW phenomenon began around 2013, but Atheism Plus predates that by about five years. I know Steve Shives is generally what pops into people's heads when they think of an atheist SJW, but you had people like AronRa and PZ Myers long before he showed up.

 

[Positron]

They should consider building walls.

They don't have the spoons.

 

[Hummingbird]

To be fair, what kind of message would it send from an Alabama oil change company? One which relies on Mom and Pop America for its entire raison d'etre?

I ever caught someone saying that sort of shit working for me they'd be in a world of hurt too. They'd be thrown out on their arse, not just sacked.

People have lost homes, livelihoods and masses of stock, its even a fucking Twee Tourist Town so relies very heavily on visitors coming and going and looks very much like a traditional, Southern "Experience" of small town friendly america for people to go gawk at the moonshiners.

What an utterly colossal prick.

I was there (along with Pigeon Falls) this summer and to see him act like this is infuriating.

 

[Lorento]

Something similar happened with the BNP (British National Party) over here.
When their leader, Nick Griffin, appeared on Question Time, people were going crazy about him being allowed to speak on national TV, like simply seeing him would suddenly brainwash people into supporting him.

The programme went out, and he was torn to shreds, despite his best attempts.

(Parts 2, 3, 4, and 5 should be linked from there.)

And now, the BNP are pretty much a non-entity. That's how you deal with these people.

It was the perfect way to completely and utterly destroy an ideology on national television. It was one of the highest rated Question Times ever at the time because people were curious to see what Griffin was going to say and what kind of dumb shit he'd come out with. They should really do that with an Islamic Extremist just to see if we can't make fun of him in front of the entire country.

 

[muina]

Antifa is freaking stupid

IT WON'T STOP

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

I'm cool with giving pretty much everyone a voice, since that's kind of what freedom of belief is about.

But nah, we don't like her so don't ever let her talk, that's the best way to understand and beat her ideas. That sure worked for Hillary, amirite?

When your beliefs are founded on mental gymnastics, peer pressure and appeals to emotion, open discourse is poison for you.

 

[Maiden-TieJuan]

IT WON'T STOP

It's crap like that that completely shuts down all dialogue and communication between groups that oppose each other. I can't even fathom that mental gymnastics that it would take to justify doing this to someone, let alone trying to justify it the public at large. Most INTELLIGENT groups that disagree with an ideology try to educate their opponents, but this shit just makes the other person feel vindicated in their beliefs. Shit like this needs to stop, because they are becoming as bad as, if not worse then, the groups that they oppose.

I am just waiting until they show up and some dude is home at the time and blows them away. Just a matter of me, really.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

It's crap like that that completely shuts down all dialogue and communication between groups that oppose each other. I can't even fathom that mental gymnastics that it would take to justify doing this to someone, let alone trying to justify it the public at large. Most INTELLIGENT groups that disagree with an ideology try to educate their opponents, but this shit just makes the other person feel vindicated in their beliefs. Shit like this needs to stop, because they are becoming as bad as, if not worse then, the groups that they oppose.

I am just waiting until they show up and some dude is home at the time and blows them away. Just a matter of me, really.

"It's not our job to educate you! We're on the right side of history! REEEEEE!!!!"

 

[Maiden-TieJuan]

"It's not our job to educate you! We're on the right side of history! REEEEEE!!!!"

Every time I hear "It's not MY JOB to educate you" I get frothy with rage. UHHHHHH, YES IT IS! If you call yourself an Activist your JOB is to create dialogue to help others LEARN your viewpoint and beliefs. You, as an Activist, are attempting to bring people together and communicate! If you aren't patient or smart enough to do that you are NOT an Activist, you are merely Tardraging.

So tired of every "Activist" that pulls out that line. The second someone tries that I know that everything they say they are representing is incorrect and they don't care about their platform enough to educate people on their views.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Every time I hear "It's not MY JOB to educate you" I get frothy with rage. UHHHHHH, YES IT IS! If you call yourself an Activist your JOB is to create dialogue to help others LEARN your viewpoint and beliefs. You, as an Activist, are attempting to bring people together and communicate! If you aren't patient or smart enough to do that you are NOT an Activist, you are merely Tardraging.

If YOU want someone to be convinced of your view, YOU do the convincing. How do they not understand this?

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Something similar happened with the BNP (British National Party) over here.
When their leader, Nick Griffin, appeared on Question Time, people were going crazy about him being allowed to speak on national TV, like simply seeing him would suddenly brainwash people into supporting him.

The programme went out, and he was torn to shreds, despite his best attempts.

(Parts 2, 3, 4, and 5 should be linked from there.)

And now, the BNP are pretty much a non-entity. That's how you deal with these people.

They actually are, they even forgot to re-register themselves as a bloody political party earlier this year.

Of course, they thought this would work for Our Nige too.

That turned out so well. But then, hilariously Farage had the Commonwealth Shield to hide behind on many issues when it came to immigration. His tone was a lot different as well.

Didn't stop the same idiots using the same fucking lemming tactic without realising they were dealing with a fairly different beast. The prime Minister at one point called UKIP supporters "Loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists" and that turned out really fucking well for him too.

Everyone expected Farage to fail during both the debates and during the Q&A sessions he had (To the point Vote Leave were panicking about it) and instead he faced down critics, including some shrill idiot who was "an ordinary member of the public" who accused him of racism which he pinned with "I'd rather have immigration from our family in the commonwealth."

Turned out she wrote for the fucking Guardian. Which is the only place our moronic SJW folks gather here in the UK.

 

[TheImportantFart]

Turned out she wrote for the fucking Guardian. Which is the only place our moronic SJW folks gather here in the UK.

The Telegraph publishes stuff which is almost as bad occasionally, but yeah, The Guardian's a fucking disgrace. Godfrey Elfwick recently claimed responsibility for that "Alt-right poison almost turned me into a racist" article which was virtually indistinguishable from a regular Guardian op-ed piece. This is a paper that employs Laurie Penny and Jessica Valenti.

 

[kcbbq]

The prime Minister at one point called UKIP supporters "Loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists" and that turned out really fucking well for him too.

Mook, in his CNN interview, pretty much says that the exact moment Clinton lost the election, his internal polling shows, is the "basket of deplorables" comment. Not the investigations, emails, leaks, none of those had any real affect. Ten words cost her the election. Romney killed his chances with the 47% comment. Carter killed his second term chances with a single, and taken in isolation pretty good, speech. Utterly tone deaf in the circumstances.

When you set yourself up as "better", you better be just that. One crack and it fails.

Trump doesn't do that. He never even tried to claim to be "better", just that you could trust him to get shit done. Bill Clinton was at his best, politically, when he was just some dude who ended up president. When he was Lawyer Clinton is when gaffes stuck.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Mook, in his CNN interview, pretty much says that the exact moment Clinton lost the election, his internal polling shows, is the "basket of deplorables" comment. Not the investigations, emails, leaks, none of those had any real affect. Ten words cost her the election. Romney killed his chances with the 47% comment. Carter killed his second term chances with a single, and taken in isolation pretty good, speech. Utterly tone deaf in the circumstances.

When you set yourself up as "better", you better be just that. One crack and it fails.

Trump doesn't do that. He never even tried to claim to be "better", just that you could trust him to get shit done. Bill Clinton was at his best, politically, when he was just some dude who ended up president. When he was Lawyer Clinton is when gaffes stuck.

Apparently people don't like being insulted and told to vote for the person who insulted you. Who knew?!