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A troon driven government would never place honeypots, amirite?
Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification
- Thread starter Null
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KYC verification is gay. Even if it’s proved safe, people will still be apprehensive.
That said, an XX chromosome-only 4chan isn’t a bad idea especially in the hands of the most stubborn man in the world. I would rather not submit an ID anywhere, but it would be extremely funny to witness firsthand how culture develops in a strictly female-only online space. I’m in.
There’s also the issue, mentioned earlier in the thread, of men simply taking their GF/Mom’s/sister’s ID to apply out of spite. Though I suppose if they’re willing to steal another female’s ID, it would be pretty easy to sniff them out once they start posting.
Concept: Send your ID to Null and get a “True and Honest Woman” verified checkmark on the Kiwi Farms. Anyone without this badge automatically gets threadbanned and cannot access KF’s new suuuper secrete gorl subforum(s).
That said, an XX chromosome-only 4chan isn’t a bad idea especially in the hands of the most stubborn man in the world. I would rather not submit an ID anywhere, but it would be extremely funny to witness firsthand how culture develops in a strictly female-only online space. I’m in.
There’s also the issue, mentioned earlier in the thread, of men simply taking their GF/Mom’s/sister’s ID to apply out of spite. Though I suppose if they’re willing to steal another female’s ID, it would be pretty easy to sniff them out once they start posting.
Concept: Send your ID to Null and get a “True and Honest Woman” verified checkmark on the Kiwi Farms. Anyone without this badge automatically gets threadbanned and cannot access KF’s new suuuper secrete gorl subforum(s).
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Much funnier to default this to every user and you only get rid of it by providing ID.
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I feel like AI picture generators are good enough to fool any sort of verification now. You could generate a photo of a woman, photoshop in a real-looking ID, and run the image generator again to remove the traces of manipulation, for example.
I really do think invitation only, and then banning men and man-inviters, would work better. A man could make as many fake photo verifications as he needs with minimal effort, but if he has to convince a user to risk her account to invite him each time, that's going to be much more time consuming.
I really do think invitation only, and then banning men and man-inviters, would work better. A man could make as many fake photo verifications as he needs with minimal effort, but if he has to convince a user to risk her account to invite him each time, that's going to be much more time consuming.
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Not only that, but you have to deposit all your trust the 3rd party handling your ID data. Even assuming that this isn't all one giant honey pot to identify every woman on KF, even assuming that the 3rd party is completely trustworthy, security measures can be breached, so the possibility of a leak can never be ruled out.
Not only that, but creating a precedent in which you have to provide ID to use an online service creates a terrible precedent.
@Null , I really have to wonder why you of all people would offer such a service. You of all people should know how important online anonimity is.
I'm following the Tickle vs Giggle case, and I think most women would be able to sus out the men who may try to join such an app. I'm all for a female only app (yes, I'm a man, but I don't have any interest in joining something of the kind).
And before anyone thinks that I'm just poo-pooing this idea because I want to secretly join, and an ID would prevent me from doing so, let's assume I'm a sicko pervert trying to get into such a space. Like someone else has pointed out, I could simply grab one of my female relatives' IDs. After all, I'm a sicko pervert who wants in, and if these kinds of men are known for something is for being unhinged and not respecting women's boundaries. So someone like that could easily circumvent this kind of measure. In the end, women using such an app would have to still sus out who's actually female.
So I'm all for this, but yeah, I think it should be done by invitation, or some other method. I hope women using KF know better than to send photos of their faces or their IDs.
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for reasons stated in the first post.
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I still can't understand why the ID verification seems like a good idea to you (or at least a better idea than some other alternative method, and not something the literal CIA is trying to push everyone into). I get the reasoning behind it, but I just cannot comprehend why the potential downsides seem like something worth risking. Maybe women would gladly give up their freedoms (potentially) and set up a devastating precedent for the future of the internet, for the sake of having a guaranteed (not really) female-only space, but I really hope that's not the case.
Kiwisee
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If you go through with this, please put an ip ban on all of India because that's where 90% of scammers come from. As well as sex pests that will do anything to bypass the verification process.
GaryOak
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+ Nigeria for the love of god.
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Nigerian women are some of the highest calibre TERFs around.
Just keep it women only and you'll eliminate 99% of the problems in every country, race, ethnicity and demographic.
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i like the idea. I can see a few ways it might be subverted.
Outright attack (you’re stubborn and competent enough to cope with this)
Attack via infiltration of KYC vendor (out of your control)
Matching ID to actual poster (Troon stealing a woman’s ID.)
People being wary to submit ID. Even with a KYC provider I don’t think I would. I’ve seen how the fong joneses creep through these companies
If I had to start up such an app I wouldnt bother with even trying to verify people. I’d just host it in a place where I couldnt be gulagged for saying women only. I’d have anonymous accounts like here, good mods and a policy of being absolutely brutal to troons. They all out themselves eventually - it’s actually pretty hard to pretend to genuinely be a woman via text. They always, always out themselves with how they write and act.
It’s incredible that women have no places any more. Thanks for even floating the idea.
Outright attack (you’re stubborn and competent enough to cope with this)
Attack via infiltration of KYC vendor (out of your control)
Matching ID to actual poster (Troon stealing a woman’s ID.)
People being wary to submit ID. Even with a KYC provider I don’t think I would. I’ve seen how the fong joneses creep through these companies
If I had to start up such an app I wouldnt bother with even trying to verify people. I’d just host it in a place where I couldnt be gulagged for saying women only. I’d have anonymous accounts like here, good mods and a policy of being absolutely brutal to troons. They all out themselves eventually - it’s actually pretty hard to pretend to genuinely be a woman via text. They always, always out themselves with how they write and act.
It’s incredible that women have no places any more. Thanks for even floating the idea.
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Wondering if being dragged into court might be a not-entirely-unintended side effect of the app, to test the merits of a strong case for sex-specific online services.
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Ovarit doesn't seem to have had any issues with trannies and it works on an invite/email request to join model without going through the ID ordeal. But it also is more explicitly radfem/terf which would scare troons away more than merely a girl talk type of site.
2x tan my beloved
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vpns exist, so i dont know hows that going to help plus theres a decent number of south asian and mena nonas on lolcow too so making a space for women of certain nationalities seems retarded (although i do understand where youre coming from)
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Invites and invite tree bans are a good idea, but they are more of a later thing once the user base and value have already been established
They do work but only if two factors are present.
1. It has to be a pain in the ass to join without an invite, if possible at all
2. The thing you’re joining has to have enough value that new people will still put up with the bs to join
It’s a balancing act between creating a hostile joining process while not smothering the user base to death, the difficulty has to mirror the perceived value. This is a problem for new communities, especially for ones that need to reach a critical mass before value can be demonstrated.
The entire premise of this proposal is that every user will need a verified true and honest woman government ID. It has to be easier to join with an invite than without, shrewd people aren’t going to risk associating their accounts with liability for nothing. So joining without an invite would have to require ID and something else. This could be an interview or quiz, anything that requires effort. People aren’t going to do that unless there’s something at the end of it.
(The most extreme example I know of is waiting in an irc for a week straight, passing an interview and quiz, being a good user on that site for one year, getting on the next site and being a good user for another year, getting banned from one site bans you from all sites, websites have a user limit and will not accept people even if they meet the requirements without an invite)
1. It has to be a pain in the ass to join without an invite, if possible at all
2. The thing you’re joining has to have enough value that new people will still put up with the bs to join
It’s a balancing act between creating a hostile joining process while not smothering the user base to death, the difficulty has to mirror the perceived value. This is a problem for new communities, especially for ones that need to reach a critical mass before value can be demonstrated.
The entire premise of this proposal is that every user will need a verified true and honest woman government ID. It has to be easier to join with an invite than without, shrewd people aren’t going to risk associating their accounts with liability for nothing. So joining without an invite would have to require ID and something else. This could be an interview or quiz, anything that requires effort. People aren’t going to do that unless there’s something at the end of it.
(The most extreme example I know of is waiting in an irc for a week straight, passing an interview and quiz, being a good user on that site for one year, getting on the next site and being a good user for another year, getting banned from one site bans you from all sites, websites have a user limit and will not accept people even if they meet the requirements without an invite)
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You can accomplish this with a sign up fee, a portion of which is donated to some über transphobic TERF charity. This accomplishes 3 things:
1) Troons will have a meltdown
2) When retards are banned, they are less likely to come back.
3) A womens charity gets some money.
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Late and gay, but I wouldn't pay to sperg on the internet, nor would I upload my identification to be able to sperg on the internet.
I understand the appeal. I can't stand many corners of KF even on a good day, and this site is better than most. But even female-centric areas of the internet, though few and far between, are hellscapes. They're just shitty for different reasons than male dominated websites and formerly female-centric corners invaded by the waste of human society.
This feels like a can of worms that needs to be kept closed, or women will be the scapegoat for a lot worse examples of exclusivity online. Government try to do the same by screaming about the kids, and leftist circles do it by yelling "my POC/LGBTQA!"
It sounds like a safe space and, again, while I understand the desire for one I don't think enforcing ID verification would be the way to go about it. Good moderation and a basis of conversation/selection of topics that most men don't care for should in theory do most of the heavy lifting.
The bugs will always exist and they will always find a way to enter into spaces they do not belong. We need better pest control, not a nuke.
I understand the appeal. I can't stand many corners of KF even on a good day, and this site is better than most. But even female-centric areas of the internet, though few and far between, are hellscapes. They're just shitty for different reasons than male dominated websites and formerly female-centric corners invaded by the waste of human society.
This feels like a can of worms that needs to be kept closed, or women will be the scapegoat for a lot worse examples of exclusivity online. Government try to do the same by screaming about the kids, and leftist circles do it by yelling "my POC/LGBTQA!"
It sounds like a safe space and, again, while I understand the desire for one I don't think enforcing ID verification would be the way to go about it. Good moderation and a basis of conversation/selection of topics that most men don't care for should in theory do most of the heavy lifting.
The bugs will always exist and they will always find a way to enter into spaces they do not belong. We need better pest control, not a nuke.
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A lot of people have said that controlling the topics of conversation, restricting it to cats and needlepoint is a way to keep men out, which was not part of the pitch by null and i find insulting. There should be no issue having having an off topic board and if some ladies want to sperg about male coded topics they should be allowed to do that.