Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification

[community member]

The DMZ thread works reasonably well because the women there are harsh enough to make being there unpalatable for the majority of men

It's also the single most hostile place to men on the entire site. A whole collective operating under that level of hostility won't be sustainable, not to mention you're still referring to it with hedging language about the people who still infiltrate anyway. There is no set of social behaviors that will ever stop deluges of infiltrators under open borders, the only thing that will is a 20 foot wall with electrified barbed wire

I've no idea what it's like from the moderating perspective, perhaps that set up is more effort than desired.

When the thread still had a double digit page count it appeared to be a fucking moderation disaster and to this day several users still actively shit their pants about it. I suspect the app will see worse behavior from a larger pool of creatures

Women don't need ID to detect the bepenised and act accordingly.

"scrotefoiling" wouldn't be a bannable offense on LCF if we were really that good at it in an open borders Internet setting kek

But fuck me, I love the idea. No where else has the Kiwifarms 'feel', mods who aren't shitheels, and the freedom to call people niggers and faggots, which is all I really want in life.

Me too, and in the US this is our constitutional right. Before the Internet, women who wanted to group together had to compromise their identities by definition, and the people interested in compromising them were in physical proximity. They did it anyway and now we aren't glorified domestic slaves. Yeah the premise of this app isn't for political activism nor do I think it should be, but the more we avoid any risk the more we can expect to see even the most neutral hangouts raped by freaks who get hard over every single bit of misery their presence causes us. It's their favorite thing in the world

I’m wondering why this app couldn’t just have a more basic vetting process where a user answers a few questions and then a mod manually approves it.

I've been in places that use manual verification methods via voice interview, and while they were very successful with filtering out males, the wait times could be weeks before your schedule syncs with a moderator clocking in. These places also don't have the notoriety this app will. The ID verification would dramatically cut down on the need for moderation resources and also prevent the moderators from having to filter out every male who will 100% use any opportunity to jack off in the interview call or shove snuff porn wherever he possibly can

 

[Hubelublub]

There is no set of social behaviors that will ever stop deluges of infiltrators under open borders, the only thing that will is a 20 foot wall with electrified barbed wire

This is the same rhetorical trap trannies use when they attempt to remove sex delineations: If you can't provide a fool-proof boundary, then having any boundaries at all is pointless.

A determined thief can break into your house if they really want to, you still hide your valuables, and close the door and lock it when you leave. Humans are sometimes born with an odd number of legs, we still say humans have two legs. There will always be edge cases, violations and exceptions; they don't disprove the general pattern and guiding framework.

whole collective operating under that level of hostility won't be sustainable

Women have a variety of social tricks to handle miscreants (outright hostility is only one), but I understand autism can prevent an individual from noticing these more subtle types.

"scrotefoiling" wouldn't be a bannable offense on LCF if we were really that good at it in an open borders Internet setting

Again, this is the troon approach to denying women their own spaces. If it can't be perfectly defined, always, without fail, then it doesn't exist at all. It's also a sign of autism, so if you know anyone exhibiting those behaviours maybe have them checked out.

I also genuinely do not give a single shit about what's happening on LCF, what's banned on LCF, and how retarded the women who use LCF are.

When the thread still had a double digit page count it appeared to be a fucking moderation disaster and to this day several users still actively shit their pants about it.

It sucked, and then it got better. Sounds ... ideal?

The only 'users' getting their panties in a twist about it are men, and I'm not sure why women should care about that.

 

[community member]

This is the same rhetorical trap trannies use when they attempt to remove sex delineations: If you can't provide a fool-proof boundary, then having any boundaries at all is pointless.

This isn't my stance at all kek. If the anger is going to degrade your comprehension of what I'm saying this much then I shall wish you a good day

 

[Male Idiot]

Yes I am a cavement, but my poinst were valid security vulnerabilities.

I did miss a third party app, but that makes it even worse. Come on Null, can you imagine a company that doesn't absolutely cave in to trannies.

This maybe a bad idea, feel free to critizise it, but maybe the invite-only girl was onto something. You would need a lot of vetted volunteers, and it after Cloudflare I wouldn't trust a third party sex verification program with . That would make your workload explode, but it is the most efficient way to sniff out trannies if invites are tracked.

If you think they are worth shit, you can just tell me and I'll stop trying to offer suggestion. You could even set up honeypot threads or boards where troons would be more likely to out thesmelves, like "True and Honest female programming" where their narcissism may rat them out.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Potentially dumb thing to point out but I understand that in the actual id information isn't stored but couldn't it be possible to have someone or a group with ill intentions make a middleman in which they're able to take in the information that is being inputed into the site and then being turned into a nonce?

Also how would you be able to tell if the person is a masculine looking woman or a simply a troon? Are staff just gonna go off on vibes they get from the image on the id?

 

[Mankirk]

couldn't it be possible to have someone or a group with ill intentions make a middleman in which they're able to take in the information that is being inputed into the site and then being turned into a nonce?

Only if they own an ISP and even then, probably not. Even the very unlikely "the image verification company has a troon employee that doxes all the transphobes" is more likely than this. Encryption is a thing and Null will have well defined means of communication.

I do think making it invite only solves a lot of problems about disruption, possibly used in tandem with other approaches. Hopefully while making very public examples of those bad actors that do get in, which could double as an advertisement of sorts.

 

[AnOminous]

Maybe I’m just being a negative Nancy, but doesn’t it seem like this is exactly how things will unfold?

Not really, that's exactly how it will happen.

The kind of whammens who would actually be interested in such a service are already, though, pretty familiar with this bullshit. Getting rape threats, death threats, on a daily basis from perverted child molesting troons, just for saying normal things all normal people agree with, and wouldn't have been even "controversial" ten years ago.

It is ludicrous that we have allowed troons to turn an insane fringe belief into enforced ideological conformity.

 

[Sock Cucker]

I will financially support any Anti-Trans action Null decides is worth his time and effort.

However, unless Dear Leader intends to take this to the Supremes, I have my doubts about it being successful. And if the SC is the goal, more power to him.

 

[Private Tag Reporter]

I'm dumb, but I tried to read as much of the thread as possible before posting, and honestly it seemed like the last hurdle was 3rd party providers don't supply the gender field; and lots of understandable aversion to sending ID to a third party.

Again, I'm dumb, but couldn't this be sidestepped by owning the process, and acting as the verifier yourself? It probably wouldn't be bullet proof, but couldn't you:

1. Transmit the ID to the SITE, which runs a service to verify IDs.
2. OCR the ID into plain text.
3. Pipe the plain text into an LLM AI, you probably don't need any special training, just prompt like "here is some information from an ID card, can you identify if it's male or female based on the gender marker M or F?"
4. If the result is indeterminate, then flag the ID for manual review, and retain it for no more than say 24-48 hours? I can see the OCR failing, especially for non-latin IDs.

It's probably not a perfect strategy. I can see some holes in it already in that it doesn't create a nonce since there's no way to verify the ID is unique with this method. Maybe require a nominal payment with identification, to reduce the chance of fraud? Though that would presume that payment processors play ball. Invite only with a reputation system, so that inviting moids prevents you from spawning new invites? Would there be a way to send the ID both to the third party processor to generate a nonce, AND to the first party gender inspector service?

I abhor the necessity of digital ID for such a system, but admire the concept. Anybody should be able to own the self-determination of their chosen association, whether that association be based on immutable characteristics like race, religion, gender, etc. or mutable interests like hobbies. Toxicity is a great semi-permeable membrane for hobbies and purposes like Kiwi Farms shitposting about lolcows, but for something more serious like this, a harder barrier is both more appropriate and less toxic.

My only question is what would such a site have to offer that Mumsnet or Ovarit wouldn't? Neither of those sites are strictly XX-chromosome, but at least from lurking Ovarit it seems like the invite only nature does a pretty solid job of keeping hostile men and troons out. Is the key difference that not even non-hostile men would be allowed? Is it cultural? Is it the format that's the difference - pseudo-imageboard vs pseudo-reddit?

In any case, what can and can't be learned from the Ovarit model?

Ovarit has that quote at the bottom of each page: "All space becomes male space unless females maintain a concerted effort to mark a space for themselves." –Sheila Jeffreys

I hope that this post has been contributive in nature and want to apologize in advance if my naievety about any of the technologies proves the post to be useless.

 

[Susanna]

I also think keeping it invite-only, and revoking invitation privilege from users who bring bad actors in, would be sufficient and much easier to implement.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I do think making it invite only solves a lot of problems about disruption,

it limits the already fractured pool. Most women cant have discords or forums or a dm chain without men trying to break in and trying to disrupt the conversation thus making it hard to connect with other women.

 

[Hubelublub]

Invite-only will stagnate quickly, you need fresh blood for these things, or they get boring.

This thread does demonstrate that this app will need something to keep the men out. Despite clearly stating in the OP that male opinions are not requested, at least 50% of the responses here are from male posters. Some are using the "you've already said no, but I'll do what I want anyway and you'll have to say no again before I'll take it seriously even though the point is now moot because I've already done it" approach, some are pretending they can't read the OP at all but can write posts, and others are basically saying what's been said by women but restating it in "man" because who the fuck knows why.

Even if you ignore the hostile male responses, you still have a thread beginning to be dominated by male opinion, on a topic that is clearly intended for women, which is why the DMZ exists in the first place, and why an app like this would be appreciated.

It's not about men being mean and hostile, it's about the nature of males seeking to dominate, and the nature of females seeking to cooperate. When you put the two together, cooperation always loses to domination.

 

[Ealen]

Would it be open to public viewing? Aside from the useful data that would provide, if not, it likely wouldn't have much scope for growth outside of the small pool of BP posters who are willing/capable of proving that they are indeed true and honest women.

 

[Begemot]

Can we also get a male only app except instead of ID's we do dick pic verification? Asking for a friend.

I jest of course. Sounds like a fine idea, but is this app going to be related to the farms in some way like a woman's only version of beauty parlor or is this just gonna be a general thing? Honestly as long as trannies seethe over it I'm happy.

Why would transwomen seethe, sweetie? We know the natural state of cisgender women is to serve us. You might desperately try to use simps like null here but ultimately we are your natural superiors.

 

[Hiphopopotamus]

I assume this is for an entire board/forum for women only? When you mentioned the following

go to any amazon product review, any subreddit about knitting, go to forums about fucking cervical cancer or fucking PCOS support community or endometriosis community, and BEHOLD the REASON.

I thought another good idea would be a woman's only review site, rate me late and retarded if it's been mentioned.
Obviously no men or tranny would be allowed post on it, but I would like to see these reviews as I have terrible taste and it could help me get gifts for the women in my life. Plus I wouldn't ever have to see some agp grandpa faggot posting himself in a skirt.

 

[neighbour]

In another timeline where the world isn't burning, this is what @Null pitched instead:

"I'm considering making a very small Kiwi Social app. Think of it as a place where you can actually discuss your real life.
Greater profile/club customisation options would be available to paid users.
The focus, as always, will be on privacy and user safety. It will have a world class women's-only section, with I.D. required for verified users.
It could even potentially have a dating section down the line, due to the established level of safety and privacy for women. I want to make it a civilised place and would rely on you whiny faggots being on your best behaviour so that you can keep your shiny new toy
What do you think?"

 

[Hubelublub]

you can actually discuss your real life

No.

potentially have a dating section

Fuck no.

would rely on you whiny faggots being on your best behaviour

Christ.

 

[EllenDrawsRapeOfHerHaters]

I don't think many people would want to verify their ID. It would be fun to make the troons seethe.

 

[std::string]

For me, the third-party ID verification service would need zero data retention and I'd need to have a very high level of trust that they actually follow that policy.

This is less of a "oh no the evil troon masterminds will steal my info" thing and more a "I'm not verifying my ID just to shitpost" thing.

 

[community member]

This is less of a "oh no the evil troon masterminds will steal my info" thing and more a "I'm not verifying my ID just to shitpost" thing.

This is something I can understand. The biggest draw is going to be for people who really really want likeminded female friends/connections, particularly likeminded in more unconventional ways