US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Sammich]

I can't see me caring about politics anymore if Harris wins. I don't want to sit there and watch the country die. I think I'll just take care of my own health, worry about my friends, family, and keeping my personal finances sustainable to live out my days. Mentally, I'll just check out of society and go live in the world of an 80s Trapper Keeper where things are rad:

I felt the same way in 2008, this does feel much worse. I do think Trump will win, i'm not really aware of why I believe this.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

Why does something that Taylor Swift said have such an impact on how the Americans will vote? Is she a highly regarded political expert?

Retarded white and brown women are a not insignificant amount of the country.

 

[like_shutup_&_drive_scoob]

Why does something that Taylor Swift said have such an impact on how the Americans will vote? Is she a highly regarded political expert?

I also was like oh who cares?

But then my very normie brother and sister pointed at that while THEY understand the nuance behind JD Vances new stupid cat lady comments concerning T Swizzle, many people do not, and the main concern is the insane cult of personality she has behind her.

I kinda wish Vance would do less Matt Walshy personal burn remarks because it's so easy to spin those to the stupid and uninformed (half of population maybe more).

Both VP picks aren't great in hindsight... Vance is just kinda autistic but Walz is probably a pedophile cannibalist taxidermist serial killer on the low down ibr.

 

[CaddestSlown]

Why does something that Taylor Swift said have such an impact on how the Americans will vote? Is she a highly regarded political expert?

A scarily huge amount of people follow the vapid and distractingly saccharine menace that is pop culture and putting people who have no place in politics on a very high political pedestal. She is not a highly regarded political expert, but that does not matter in the context of why her endorsement matters.

They clap like retard seals going "GUHUHUHUH- I KNOW DAT PERSON, GONNA VOTE FOR DA RIGHT PRESIDENT," while thinking outwards attractiveness and media success means insight on things way more serious than a blonde lesbian (allegedly) who's been arm twisted into supporting the retarded seal of the Democratic party.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

I felt the same way in 2008, this does feel much worse. I do think Trump will win, i'm not really aware of why I believe this.

I feel the same, largely because I can not comprehend a world where he loses. Things are at a boiling point, people want change, and after the assassination attempt Trump looks to have the mandate of heaven to become president. But somehow a diversity hire with no policy other than "joy and girl power" and is second in command to one of the most atrocious administrations in US history as well as covering up some of the biggest scandals in US history (not to mention getting endorsed by the 2nd worse VP in modern history and touting it like a good thing) is 50/50 with him out of the sheer weight and willpower of the media and powers that be.

 

[I Hate The Disabled]

Why does something that Taylor Swift said have such an impact on how the Americans will vote? Is she a highly regarded political expert?

Celebrities are 2nd to niggers where it comes to what people worshipbin the United States.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

 

[Cactus Nibba]

PL: I have 7-8 years of experience as a professional public speaking coach, and I want to give my opinion on the debate.

The moderators were really bad. Ideally debate moderators are completely unbiased, but the moderators in this debate fact-checked Trump and pressed him much, much harder than Kamala. Even assuming the moderators hadn't shown a bias and pressed both candidates equally, they still did a poor job moderating by not enforcing the debate's rules regarding microphone usage. Their failure to correctly manage the microphones just-so-happened to align with what Kamala's team requested the rules be changed to.

Trump’s performance was really disappointing. He was unfocused, and didn’t take advantage of the opportunities Kamala presented him. I doubt he did any meaningful prep work, but Kamala was significantly more prepared than I even thought possible of her. I'm confident much of what she said was pre-written and memorized. I’m not suggesting the questions were leaked to her; you can write something ahead of time and come up with a few transitional lines on the spot for connecting to some relevant prepared statements.

Trump did bring up a few good points, but failed to hammer them home in a meaningful way. Instead, he drowned out his impactful lines with a flood of garbage by bouncing between subjects and going off on something nobody cares about. Trump also made the common mistake of assuming the average listener knows more about what's going on than they actually do, and didn't provide enough context for some of the things he was claiming. I'll give a specific example that highlights both issues. When discussing election integrity, Trump correctly noted his cases were dismissed on standing, not the legitimacy of his claims like Kamala suggested. The average person watching this debate has no clue what that means. Rather than attempting to explain why Kamala is grossly misrepresenting the situation and taking the opportuinity to kill a popular talking point used to discredit him, he moved on to something unrelated.

This was not a wash. Having an opportunity to widen the gap and failing to do so is the same as losing ground. Trump was forced to deal with the moderators in addition to Harris, but that‘s not a reasonable excuse for getting flustered and losing control. Trump lacked focus from the beginning before the moderators even stepped in. An unfortunate reality of rhetoric is that style is equally as important as substance, if not more. Overall, Trump came across as unhinged and aggressive, while Kamala appeared calm and reasonable. His outburst about Haitians in Ohio eating cats sounded like Mint Salad explaining to some cop why Black Comics Man is an existential threat to the human race. Undecided voters ignorant of all the gay ops conducted by the media and our current administration are the target audience for these debates, so things should be analyzed from their perspective. A normal person with absolutely zero preconceptions about either candidate would vote Kamala after watching this debate. If I had to rate the candidates, I’d give Trump a 3/10 and Kamala an 8/10.



EDIT: browser uploaded an old draft; this is the one I intended to post.

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

Why does something that Taylor Swift said have such an impact on how the Americans will vote? Is she a highly regarded political expert?

She's a celebrity, which to liberal white women is basically the same thing.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-debate-harris-explosive-planned-rcna170543

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

This was not a wash. Having an opportunity to widen the gap and failing to do so is the same as losing ground. Trump was forced to deal with the moderators in addition to Harris, but that‘s not a reasonable excuse for getting flustered and losing control. Trump lacked focus from the beginning before the moderators even stepped in. An unfortunate reality of rhetoric is that style is equally important to substance, if not more. Overall, Trump came across as unhinged and aggressive, while Kamala appeared calm and reasonable. His outburst about the Haitians in Ohio eating cats sounded like Mint Salad trying to explain to that cop why Black Comics Man is an existential threat to the human race. Undecided voters ignorant of all the bullshit and gay ops are the target audience for these debates, so the discussion should be analyzed from their perspective. A normal person with absolutely zero preconceptions about either candidate would vote Kamala after watching this debate. Hopefully he can redeem himself in a second round. If I had to rank the canidates for this debate, I’d give Trump a 3/10 and Kamala an 8/10.

Yeah, I do feel like this and the other debates will have a negligible impact on the state of the race, but let's not kid ourselves that Trump entered with an air of overconfidence and really shouldn't have participated in this debate in the first place. Kamala had everything to gain from the pampered treatment she would receive and lowered expectations people on the right have done a good job of establishing, while Trump had nothing really to gain.

Ultimately, the person who decided the Laura Loomer should be the head of his debate prep? Should be fired--from a cannon.

 

[Meat Target]

@Historical Strelkov
A small part of me wants to say you're giving Trump too much credit, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Also, to all the people saying Kamala won because she didn't burst into tears and shit herself on stage – did you NOT read all the posts warning you against this exact sort of thinking 100 pages ago, before the debate? You lowered your standards too far, and when she managed to barely meet them, you're all suddenly crowing that this is a "win" for her. To me, it just seems like an excuse to doompost.
Maybe you guys should stop being such fucking cowards and actually have a little hope for once.

Doomers always try to prove themselves right by waving the white flag at the first sign of trouble.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Yeah, I do feel like this and the other debates will have a negligible impact on the state of the race, but let's not kid ourselves that Trump entered with an air of overconfidence and really shouldn't have entered into this debate in the first place. Kamala had everything to gain from the pampered treatment she would receive and lowered expectations people on the right have done a good job of establishing, while Trump had nothing really to gain.

Ultimately, the person who decided the Laura Loomer should be the head of his debate prep? Should be fired--from a cannon.

But i have to wonder if it'll ensure her victory in the election considering the things that's happening in real time like migrant crimes and inflation down the drain and all she did was repeat herself

 

[a vending machine]

Why does it seem like after every debate people always say "no one won the debate"? They said this after the debate with biden, because they refuse to say trump won.
I think part of this demoralizing/doomer campaign we're probably about to see even from supposed right wingers to make it seem like "harris won" "Trump looked terrible ".
There's no satisfying some people as this comment perfectly puts it

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Why does it seem like after every debate people always say "no one won the debate"? They said this after the debate with biden, because they refuse to say trump won.
I think part of this demoralizing/doomer campaign we're probably about to see even from supposed right wingers to make it seem like "harris won" "Trump looked terrible ".
There's no satisfying some people as this comment perfectly puts it
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People are only acting like he lost simply because of some screw ups even though half of it was because of the moderators coming to Kamala's rescue

 

[botrix_fan]

If Trump agrees to another debate the rules have got to be that the moderators can't argue with him after every answer.

I thought it was the same rules as the CNN one, but I don't remember them doing it then.

 

[Wherethereisawhip]

People are only acting like he lost simply because of some screw ups even though half of it was because of the moderators coming to Kamala's rescue

Doomers are never satisfied, especially after the blowout that was the Biden debate.

If Trump agrees to another debate the rules have got to be that the moderators can't argue with him after every answer.

I thought it was the same rules as the CNN one, but I don't remember them doing it then.

That was because the Moderators there were actually there to moderate and not serve as backup to Kamala.

 

[botrix_fan]

That was because the Moderators there were actually there to moderate and not serve as backup to Kamala.

Makes me think if ABC had moderated the first debate then Biden would still be nominee.

 

[Wherethereisawhip]

Makes me think if ABC had moderated the first debate then Biden would still be nominee.

Would have at least limited the damage his exposed senility gave.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

Doomers are never satisfied, especially after the blowout that was the Biden debate.

It's annoying as fuck because the election isn't over yet. All the dems have rn is sound bites to use against him that'll eventually get tossed back at them in the coming weeks.