The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Miller]

As far as I'm concerned nothing of value. I learned

1. He is a literal apple shill, invested in apple
2. He is a coder, but was somehow not able to just set up his system on his phone or computers to work properly.
3. He thinks windows vista making computers require more ram was a good thing (instead of being less bloated)
4. Worked at amazon... and twitch (that should tell you something by itself)
5. Thinks a system is better if the settings are how he likes them out of the box.

He looks like a generic breadtuber on a watch list.

 

[Internet Wizard]

So after 3 minutes of dealing with the horror known as Google's Android I caved in and got Graphene on my phone, and the first thing I noticed was that the UI was hideous. I guess it makes sense for what's supposed to be totally barebones Android, but I have no idea why privacy means ugliness.

Sorry but this is just cope
Whatever, Niagara launcher and play store apps (w/o network access for stuff like Gboard, I think the Google paranoia goes too far in some ways) fixed a good amnt of these. I still have no idea what the deal is with the Aurora vs Sandboxed Play Store debate

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

So after 3 minutes of dealing with the horror known as Google's Android I caved in and got Graphene on my phone, and the first thing I noticed was that the UI was hideous. I guess it makes sense for what's supposed to be totally barebones Android, but I have no idea why privacy means ugliness.
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Sorry but this is just cope
Whatever, Niagara launcher and play store apps (w/o network access for stuff like Gboard, I think the Google paranoia goes too far in some ways) fixed a good amount of these. I still have no idea what the deal is with the Aurora vs Sandboxed Play Store debate

I just use the sandboxed play store. It works well imo. Does the job well enough.

to me, the UI wasn't really bad looking. I mean, I wouldn't say I fell in love with it when I saw it, but it literally seemed like a normal phone. It is custommizable like you mentioned so that shouldn't be an issue. but if anything the stock user interface is a little bland.

I personally don't even really thing the google thing is paranoia. I mean, maybe specifically with Gboard it could be a little. Otherwise though, they literally tell you in their terms of service they are tracking and selling all your info basically.

-----------Google rant below ----------------------------
Besides that, just on a whole, Google is truly one of the worst companies around, at least as far as the Internet goes. (so excluding stuff like nestle). I was just talking with someone about this. How its insane to me, you see all these people that HATE null. Meanwhile they wouldn't bat an eye if they saw a high ranking employee of google. Looking at the actions google, and other giant tech companies have taken over the years. Its pretty obvious they have little to no moral compass, would fuck their entire user-base over for a dollar, Will sell away peoples human rights, if it means less trouble for them. Outright break laws until they get caught, pay fines, then do it again.

Big rant, but it just sad. Seeing how much hate a guy who has a forum that overall if you look at his actions, tries to do the right thing. And gets hated for it, and Google is around and most people are neutral towards them.

 

[The Anarki Main]

So after 3 minutes of dealing with the horror known as Google's Android I caved in and got Graphene on my phone, and the first thing I noticed was that the UI was hideous. I guess it makes sense for what's supposed to be totally barebones Android, but I have no idea why privacy means ugliness.
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Sorry but this is just cope
Whatever, Niagara launcher and play store apps (w/o network access for stuff like Gboard, I think the Google paranoia goes too far in some ways) fixed a good amnt of these. I still have no idea what the deal is with the Aurora vs Sandboxed Play Store debate

I use Calyx and I have some experience with Lineage on my older phones. Works great and it's basically just stock Android but de-googled and with MicroG built-in when you need it. Minor incompatibilities here and there but it's a very usable experience, more than they advertise even.

Material UI may or may not be your thing. I like it personally.

Also Calyx isn't run by a massive fucking control freak, so that's a bonus.

 

[Susanna]

Big rant, but it just sad. Seeing how much hate a guy who has a forum that overall if you look at his actions, tries to do the right thing. And gets hated for it, and Google is around and most people are neutral towards them.

Well, yeah? Null is a good guy with bad PR, Google are bad guys with good PR. Null isn’t a huge corporation that has to increase its stock value, he’s one guy who highly values free speech that runs a gossip forum. I would think it strange if Null cared even a tenth as much about how other people perceive him as Google does.

And I think a big part of why the public doesn’t despise Google nearly enough is they just don’t understand that Google are predominantly an advertising company. They think first of the search engine, then of GMail, Maps, and GDocs, then maybe Android, then maybe YouTube. Very few know that Google’s main business is AdSense. If all you think of when you hear Google is “that search engine company”, you’re not going to have the context to despise them properly.

 

[Sperg Coalition]

Google

We can apply the same point to most giant tech corporations but yes: normies do not hate tech corpos enough or the ones that do misplace their hate or even worse, they do not care at all.
We could even make a thread about the business practice of these corporations.

 

[Latex Catmaid]

I'm really grateful I found this video. Because it showed me, I really need to diversify my hatred. I hate windows so much, that i never think about apple, and more specifically apple shill faggots like this one.

Since I didn't want to be unfair. I made myself watch the entire thing in case he made some good points. I will admit. I had to put it on 2x to bare it.

But no. As far as I'm concerned nothing of value. I learned

1. He is a literal apple shill, invested in apple
2. He is a coder, but was somehow not able to just set up his system on his phone or computers to work properly.
3. He thinks windows vista making computers require more ram was a good thing (instead of being less bloated)
4. Worked at amazon... and twitch (that should tell you something by itself)
5. Thinks a system is better if the settings are how he likes them out of the box.

Idk if this dude doesn't realize. You can save config files... after I have a window manager set up once. I save the config to a flash drive, and I can have basically any system working how I want it as soon as I install the programs. Hell if I really wanted to be efficient I could set up a script to install every program I know I will want automatically and then just drop my files in.

Anyway. The real take away, I need to remember, apple needs just as much hate as windows gets.

People don't like it when they don't understand why something doesn't work for them and they can't solve the problem on their own. Happens very ften with windows, so they move to mac, but happens especially often with linux. Even on this thread there are folks angry they cant use linux because they dont understand how it works.

 

[Betonhaus]

I would like to know why my ThinkPad with an i5-6300u has screen tearing and vsync issues when playing back video files.

 

[Dread First]

I'm really grateful I found this video. Because it showed me, I really need to diversify my hatred. I hate windows so much, that i never think about apple, and more specifically apple shill faggots like this one.

OSX is a UNIX environment, yet you basically need Xcode to do anything fun like installing third-party software out of MacPorts, Fink, or possibly Homebrew. What a fucking cuckold.

 

[AmpleApricots]

He is a coder

That means absolutely nothing these days. When in doubt, assume "Coders" know nothing about computers and you are probably more often right than wrong.

being able to SSH into my Raspberry Pi without needing an external program like PuTTY

ssh is an external program though, just like PuTTY. It feels part of the system because it's a command line tool and is included as standard or semi-standard program in many distros, which themselves are really nothing more than a "software collection". I sometimes feel a bit repetitive pointing this out over and over again but posts like yours (no offense) make it feel like the right thing to do. Every single command line tool you use is an external program that is at least theoretically fully optional on your system. People coming from other modern OSes have a bit of trouble wrapping their mind around that as they just know huge software monoliths. Some are quite standard, like the GNU coreutils, which sparks this whole GNU/Linux thing as Stallman basically states (Not in the "I'd like to interject...." meme, which is not a real quote but summarizes his thoughts quite well) that Linux (the kernel) is unusable without GNU utilities and basically an unheard of thing, which might've been true at one point but is not really true anymore either. You can build the linux kernel without gcc now and for example, the Alpine distribution uses busybox for it's collection of standard programs, which have nothing GNU about them and you can in fact run a Linux without even a trace of GNU. You don't have to use OpenSSHs ssh either, there's for example also TinySSH or dropbear. A lot of this confusion is also not helped by distribution maintainers liking to play up their importance and pretending their software collection is an operating system in itself they made, which it isn't and they (maintainers are also active in development) didn't. It's always Linux (the kernel) plus a collection of software tools and they are all more or less the same. From the perspective of the average user, all the kernel does is bring up the system and hand off to PID 1, the first process spawned which in a sane system also only has a very limited amount of tasks, like spawning other processes and reaping zombies. Everything else is up to whatever the system is needed for. Even an init system is not a strict requirement.

A lot of the felt "seamlessness" of *nix utilities can be traced back to one of the core concepts of the Unix Philosophy: "Do one thing, and do it well." In short, the idea of doing things on a *nix system according to this principle is that many small, highly specialized programs work together by working on any given data stream in a chain, adding their "expertise" to it. It means that you can take e.g. the GNU coreutils and build highly complicated software by just chaining programs together. Anything from a alarm clock, to a website scraper, to a dead man's switch that will launch the nuclear rockets. That's why 3rd party processes are first class citizens in basically any classic scripting language. A lot of people who have not internalized this philosophy often react poorly to it, but it is nontheless a quite powerful way to do things.

ssh is typically provided by openssh’s sshd service

If you allow me, to word this in a way that cannot be misunderstood: sshd is the server software (the part that lets you log in) ssh is the client software (the part you log in with) You can e.g. use OpenSSHs sshd together with dropbears ssh and that works and both parts of that software package, while admittedly nowadays often installed on a system at the same time, are not dependent on each other and can function and be installed without each other.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

Convenience with Linux that I was never afforded on Windows: being able to SSH into my Raspberry Pi without needing an external program like PuTTY.

OpenSSH is bundled with recent versions of Windows, so you shouldn't need PuTTY anymore anyway.

 

[std::string]

I personally don't even really thing the google thing is paranoia. I mean, maybe specifically with Gboard it could be a little. Otherwise though, they literally tell you in their terms of service they are tracking and selling all your info basically.

Well, it's their entire business model. They track and monetize you. Gmail also scans your inbox to try to figure out how much money you have by looking at billing statements sent to your email address. I only know this 'cause someone I'm friends with who used to work for Google worked on implementing this. It's crazy how invasive they are.

What I can't figure out is why MS seems to have gone down the same road. You'd think they already get enough money from licensing.

 

[AnOminous]

OSX is a UNIX environment, yet you basically need Xcode to do anything fun like installing third-party software out of MacPorts, Fink, or possibly Homebrew. What a fucking cuckold.

I love Homebrew but God I hate Xcode. Why do you have to install this gigantic piece of shit when Homebrew needs maybe 1% of it at most (total wild ass guess maybe it is more but not by much imo).

A lot of the felt "seamlessness" of *nix utilities can be traced back to one of the core concepts of the Unix Philosophy: "Do one thing, and do it well."

And this is why Leonard, Linnert, Lynyrd or whatever Poettering should kill himself.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I would like to know why my ThinkPad with an i5-6300u has screen tearing and vsync issues when playing back video files.

What backend are you using?

(Xorg or wayland)

Well, yeah? Null is a good guy with bad PR, Google are bad guys with good PR. Null isn’t a huge corporation that has to increase its stock value, he’s one guy who highly values free speech that runs a gossip forum. I would think it strange if Null cared even a tenth as much about how other people perceive him as Google does.

And I think a big part of why the public doesn’t despise Google nearly enough is they just don’t understand that Google are predominantly an advertising company. They think first of the search engine, then of GMail, Maps, and GDocs, then maybe Android, then maybe YouTube. Very few know that Google’s main business is AdSense. If all you think of when you hear Google is “that search engine company”, you’re not going to have the context to despise them properly.

I don't blame him for not caring too much about pr, and that isn't surprising. It's just dissapointing seeing the contrast between the perception of the two things.

One is genuinely evil.

The other, a free speech guy that has opinions some people disagree with.

People don't like it when they don't understand why something doesn't work for them and they can't solve the problem on their own. Happens very ften with windows, so they move to mac, but happens especially often with linux. Even on this thread there are folks angry they cant use linux because they dont understand how it works.

Yeah. I can understand why some people might have that reaction. Instead of myself, who within reason will tend to keep trying something until I start to understand it.

Part of why that douchebag bothered me, is the coder thing. And i couldnt quote the message for whatever reason. But the guy saying with coders their is a good chance they have no idea about computers could make sense.

But really I would expect someone who is a coder, that has a youtube channel talking about coding, and stuff like that, would be compitent enough to configure i3 without having to spend literally 3 months on it. Which is what he said in that video. He spent 3 months figuring out how to get it configured.

I know basically nothing about coding. The only things I know, are what I have slowly been picking up, as I try new window managers (the ones that are configured in their native language), and from trying to do more advanced stuff with my operating system learning bits and pieces of how scripts work, and the command line.

With that in mind. It took me maybe a week, and I started with i3. So really I didn't even know what I know now. And the week it took me was just because I only spent a little time each day on it after work, and got things set up slowly over that time. If I spent a work day on it, it probably would have been done in 2 days at the most, since I had to learn how evrything worked.

 

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I would like to know why my ThinkPad with an i5-6300u has screen tearing and vsync issues when playing back video files.

I'm assuming VLC? Have you tried fuck-assing around with different video output options?

 

[TheDataHorder]

He is a coder, but was somehow not able to just set up his system on his phone or computers to work properly

thats just fucking sad, my mate's girlfriend is better then him while also using macos as well. she uses it for coding but only because she doesn't want the hassel of dealing with window's or linux's bullshit when she needs to get work done.
she understands low level C code and system architecture, it's not a skill issue. she just doesn't want her system to randomly break one day when she needs to submit her shit to her work's repo. she knows the os's limitations and the shit that comes with it, and is ok with it.
some enjoy fixing their systems when something goes wrong (even if you need to do something urgent) but some don't and she's one of them.
i respect her became of that.

 

[Betonhaus]

What backend are you using?

(Xorg or wayland)

I'm assuming VLC? Have you tried fuck-assing around with different video output options?

Linux Mint 22 with Cinnamon so it's Xorg, and it's the Celluloid video player but it seems to also happen in others

edit: it seems turning off fractional scaling fixes it. this laptop is a 1440p screen and 100% is way too small and 200% is way too big for stuff.

 

[GNU Abyss]

umu launcher (formerly UWLGL) is a pretty interesting thing to keep track of. It's what the Glorious Eggroll Proton/WINE builds guy seems to have moved on to. Version 0.1-RC4 at the moment, so not totally ready yet.

I won't outright say this is the last wine-ge build, but we are getting close. The reason is that myself, alongside the other devs for lutris, heroic, and bottles, have begun working together on ULWGL

Essentially ULWGL will allow you to run your non-steam games using Proton, Proton-GE, or other Proton forks using the same pressure vessel containerization and runtime that Valve use to run games with Proton. This means your games will run the exact same way as proton runs games, but outside and independant from Steam.

The pros of Proton and its game-specific patches, cutting out the disgusting bloat of Steam and the Steam runtime. Good for pirating Steam games with Goldberg patches too, I imagine.

But really I would expect someone who is a coder, that has a youtube channel talking about coding, and stuff like that, would be compitent enough to configure i3 without having to spend literally 3 months on it. Which is what he said in that video. He spent 3 months figuring out how to get it configured.

I checked out 2 pages of his videos and it was 80% webshit, 19% general tech news and 1% hacking challenges. You certainly don't need Linux to make videos on these topics and the streamlined Mac experience would let him milk his smooth-brained audience more efficiently. To be fair to this tacky shirt soyboy, I don't think Linux Youtubers are of any actual use either.

 

[Dread First]

I love Homebrew but God I hate Xcode. Why do you have to install this gigantic piece of shit when Homebrew needs maybe 1% of it at most (total wild ass guess maybe it is more but not by much imo).

OSX used to be so fucking nice before they started the trend of iOS-ification with OSX 10.7 Lion. The fact that you effectively need to download Xcode from the Mac App Store nowadays is the most insulting thing about the whole ordeal. You basically can't fuck around with third party software without relying on the Mac App Store at least once. I might be talking out my ass with hazy recollections here, but I distinctly recall UNIX certification being a minor marketing point for OSX up to and including the 10.6 Snow Leopard days. You certainly won't find the MacOS page on the Apple website mentioning Unix certification anymore

 

[AnOminous]

OSX used to be so fucking nice before they started the trend of iOS-ification with OSX 10.7 Lion.

Apple OSes pretty much peaked with Snow Leopard (OS X 10.7).

I'm still pissed about doing away with kernel extensions, which broke so much shit that was no longer being updated so you can't have it any more.