Youtube General thread (formerly Youtube Censorship discussion thread)

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Civillian 18 said:
I will keep recommending it but ReVanced for Android phones is the only way to avoid the suffering that is being forced on you on phones. As Nite said, a little second hand refurbished office pc with a basic bitch linux distro, a bluetooth keyboard and FreeTube/Firefox w/ uBlock Origin makes TV viewing bearable too.
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Brave blocks the ads and allows you to turn off your screen while listening, too.
 
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ToroidalBoat said:
For some reason it seems a number of Invidious instances are expressing support for "trans rights" now.
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The number of instances has also gone down dramatically since YouTube's big sperg-out a few months ago.

The Invidious and NewPipe trooncoders can stink up their rooms with their stinkditches for all I care...I just want viable alternatives to YouTube making its platform into cable television.

It appears that Tubular has been abandoned by its creator. However, there is an app that is virtually identical to Tubular called PipePipe that also has built-in sponsorblock and it was just updated a few weeks ago, so now it can get around age-restricted videos.
 
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Hepativore said:
The number of instances has also gone down dramatically since YouTube's big sperg-out a few months ago.
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The main tactic the advertisers at YT were -- and still are -- trying to pull is that "this helps protect our community" BS.
 
Why have advertisers at YT gotten so seemingly desperate to push ads and disable other frontends lately? They never really tried to pull any this crap before, so why now?
 
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Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 said:
Some ads have started sneaking through for me. If I pause a video for a couple of hours then resume watching there will be an ad. It's skippable by refreshing the browser but it never happened before.
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Similar problem here, even with every ad blocker Null recommends for firefox and then some I'll sometimes get told to refresh the window to keep watching and get an ad for my trouble.

I also can't see videos on desktop at all with ProtonVPN active. Even if I'm spoofing a location in the US.

ToroidalBoat said:
Why have advertisers at YT gotten so seemingly desperate to push ads and disable other frontends lately? They never really tried to pull any this crap before, so why now?
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It's YT not the advertisers - there is a company-wide crackdown at Google on money-losing wings of the business and that includes YT. There are other branches getting this treatment but their public profile is so much less than Youtube's that it gets less coverage.
 
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UncleTusky said:
It's YT not the advertisers - there is a company-wide crackdown at Google on money-losing wings of the business and that includes YT.
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I like to call those who work at YT "advertisers": the ones who try to push people to watch ads on the main site to see vids. Also what other branches are being impacted?
 
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ToroidalBoat said:
I like to call those who work at YT "advertisers": the ones who try to push people to watch ads on the main site to see vids. Also what other branches are being impacted?
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Special projects/advanced R&D, i.e. the divisions that are most likely to work on something just does not work out (and is not expected to be ready for years even if things go perfectly). Youtube does not want to be binned with those as far as profitability goes.

Before anyone asks, those are probably not euphemisms for classified work - due to color of money/information security concerns, funding for classified work would come from the glowies independent of the rest of Google.
 
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ToroidalBoat said:
What about Mail and Maps?
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I'm not 100% sure but for Gmail it's probably some combination of:
* Gmail for Business - unlike YT premium it has features people actually want, and since the cost is either per-user or negotiated on a case basis with Google depending on the package the amount companies pay will be roughly proportional to how much they cost Google.
* Gmail has ads too. They're not as immersion-breaking as Youtube ads but they're there and last I checked there's no such thing as 'Gmail AdBlock' which also helps Google tell advertisers, 'no really this many people will see your ads'.
* It sells your data. If you don't understand why this is valuable, please send Null your Social Security number and bank account details.
* Gmail might just cost less than Youtube - thumbing through a handful of emails (which are probably mostly text) is less taxing than watching a half-dozen HD videos.

On a completely unrelated note, fuck Gmail.

For Maps it's similar - ads + businesses can pay to have their listing appear first/more prominently. And again, this is a system without a dedicated cottage industry of adblockers so less money gets spent on anti-adblock developers or attorneys/PR staff to smooth things over with advertisers.
 
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ToroidalBoat said:
So 3rd party advertisers have access to the content of emails themselves?
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Sorry, guess I got that wrong - Google definitely uses email metadata to serve up tailored ads (presumably at a markup compared to randomly targeted ads) while directly selling user data to 3rd parties was alleged in lawsuits that were ultimately settled. So far as I know the contents of emails themselves was never sold to third parties.
 
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I've noticed that NewPipe and Revanced can't get around now age restricted videos lately. So far Grayjay can play them but takes some tries before it can pkay the video.

On desktop the userscript is also having troubles to get around this. I'll not log in to youtube, no matter how hard you try google.
 
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