Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

ITS OVER FOR PUTIN! 100 YEARS FROM NOW THE MIGHTY GERMAN ARMY WILL BE READY TO BEAT UP THAT DAMN WRONGDUER! RUSSIA IS DOOMED!
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Happy Camper said:
Some morning mapping again.
A counter-offensive in Kursk is in full swing and it seems to be going well for the Russians, fog of war and the usual murkiness aside. Early footage generally paints a picture of relatively light Russian losses against the battered Ukrainians, which makes sense when you consider that they've been out in the open getting pounded by the air force with near-impunity for over a month now and have no proper defense lines to speak of in the area. Beyond that, your usual grind in the Donbass and speculations about whether or not long range missiles will be greenlit for Ukrainian use.

>Actually, our plane crashing and its pilot dying is a good thing
We're on a level of coping that shouldn't even be possible.
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It sounds like Kursk is basically just turning into pocketing. It's a wonder what Ukraine was hoping to achieve with it's Kursk gambit. At the end of the day, Russia has a numerical advantage so it is possible for them to advance upon fronts that Ukraine can't defend, and if they can do that, they can create little pockets of Ukrainian units.
 
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Fatniggo1488 said:
It sounds like Kursk is basically just turning into pocketing. It's a wonder what Ukraine was hoping to achieve with it's Kursk gambit. At the end of the day, Russia has a numerical advantage so it is possible for them to advance upon fronts that Ukraine can't defend, and if they can do that, they can create little pockets of Ukrainian units.
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Same thing Ukraine hopes to achieve in every single one of its mind numbingly retarded offenses against Russian positions of no strategic value: PR. If Ukraine just defends the territory it currently holds and only attacks targets of strategic value, NATO will get bored and stop sending supplies. NATO demands they reclaim or conquer low value territory or charge heavily defended positions on the off chance they can frustrate Russian military projection in the region, Ukrainian losses be damned. This is really the only choice the Ukrainians have aside from negotiating a surrender. It's a bad choice for almost everyone involved except the "leaders" happily pocketing a nice sum of money for shepherding the nation to its demise.

So it seems to be with NATO's friendships, brief and one-sided.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
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I don't recall if it was Doug McGregor or Armchair Warlord who said it, but one of the better observations of this conflict is that whatever the Ukrainians want, they eventually get.
If I'm a Chinese decision-maker, I take the following message from this: make no attempt to pursue a limited war against the West, because we will violate red lines with reckless abandon. When you fight against the West, you have to go for the jugular.
 
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Fapcop said:
Hitler was also fully convinced he was in morally right.
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I don't think the message of this is what you think it is.
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I'm sure they realized that after the whole Nordstream 2 kerfuffle recently
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I don't believe for a single second that the German high command doesn't know it was the US who blew up their pipe.
 
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It looks like Russia isn't rushing to take Pokrovsk. I won't speculate too hard on whatever their true aim at this moment is. If I had to guess, they're just trying to shorten the frontlines right now, hence the vodiane push to move the whole Donetsk frontline westward. Kursk offensive collapsing like this is not surprising in the slightest. I guess CNN finished filming their latest segment on the heroic Azovites UAF conquering Ruzzian ork lands and the farce can wrap up.
 
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It looks like Russia isn't rushing to take Pokrovsk. I won't speculate too hard on whatever their true aim at this moment is.
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I guess they don’t need to conquer it to kill off Pokrovsk’s importance as a supply point.

If they’re close enough to cut off supplies through artillery and drones, that might do it.
 
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I guess they don’t need to conquer it to kill off Pokrovsk’s importance as a supply point.

If they’re close enough to cut off supplies through artillery and drones, that might do it.
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Given where most Russian movements have been going, I'm thinking their primary goal was not Pokrovsk but instead the Sailent near Dontesk itself. The large open fields near Krasnohorivka was at least a way for Ukraine to still potentially threaten the city due to how close it was and just pushing on them normally would just lead Russia to a powerful fallback line. That just so happened to be exposed when Russia did their push across vorcha.
If they wanted to really cut off Supplies they would have at least gone to the northern connections in order to cut off that road and help against a northern flanking attack as they advance into the city's direction.
 
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Fapcop said:
I guess they don’t need to conquer it to kill off Pokrovsk’s importance as a supply point.

If they’re close enough to cut off supplies through artillery and drones, that might do it.
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That might a challenge to get close enough in a short time, as the direct route has a defense belt and the Ukies are sending reinforcements.
They may push their flank through Selydove (considering they have acquired an arterial/logistic route directly through to Donetsk)
We should get an idea in another week.
 
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Given where most Russian movements have been going, I'm thinking their primary goal was not Pokrovsk but instead the Sailent near Dontesk itself. The large open fields near Krasnohorivka was at least a way for Ukraine to still potentially threaten the city due to how close it was and just pushing on them normally would just lead Russia to a powerful fallback line. That just so happened to be exposed when Russia did their push across vorcha.
If they wanted to really cut off Supplies they would have at least gone to the northern connections in order to cut off that road and help against a northern flanking attack as they advance into the city's direction.
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Perhaps Ukie stocks are so low now and being prioritised to Kursk that there's not as much they need to cut off. Don't need to capture they enemy's supply hub if they don't have supplies to move through it. Don't take this to the extreme but it's possibly not like the earlier days of the war when severing that arterial route would have cut off large numbers of shells and launchers. The Ukies are barely clinging on there now and without barrier troops keeping the conscripts at the front, I'd bet a lot of the time when you put an ammo box in front of them they really just want to leave it there and go home.
 
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Came across this video captioned: Main events of September 12. Invite a friend 👉 Russian Army / SMO. Link



Clearly its propaganda though I'd hate to see what yesterday's minor events were. Anyone who claims "Russia is running out of shell/missiles/men, Ukraine is winning!" is a duplicitous shill.
 
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British Intelligence - putting the moron in the oxymoron. If you don't want them to think you're a spy then stop behaving like a spy. Especially like one from a John Le Carre novel. That was sixty years ago or more.

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Honestly we are tired of tolerating this circus of them jogging along the 3rd ring road in the rain across all of Moscow and the forest parks. One day visits to the cities next to the capital to just sit on a bench for a few hours in a bitter cold or multiple changes of public transportation or taxis in an attempt to hide from the security a visit to some foreign agents' meeting that lobby the interests of immigrants.
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