Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Alaska has them too.
Firstly, what if those people refuse to go home? This is the case with many of the so-called refugees flooding the West (with our Governments' collusion, of course), and it is much harder to get rid of people than it is simply not to let them in in the first place. 2. If you offer refuge to one group of people, it inevitably leads to a loosening of restrictions on other, often less desirable groups. See where the 'nation of immigrants', 'Give me your tired, your poor etc.' notions have led the US, for example.
I'm really baffled why you and others ignore the context in which I proposed it; in the event of a world wide nuclear exchange not a single issue which you, or anyone else disagreeing with me has mentioned would be relevant since over 90% of the world's population would be immediately wiped out. Most survivors would perish afterward, making the death rate of all humanity close to 98% of the total population.

I don't think most people here, or anywhere else for that matter, understand how close we are to nuclear war with Russia right now despite detailed and reliable information being readily accessible with a single mouse click. Even if NATO manages to take out everyone in the Russian leadership in a first strike (it cannot) most pretend this doesn't still exist and has been improved since 1990 or that somehow the United States would be miraculously immune to nuclear attack from China or anyone else, like North Korea, and the aftermath.
 
I’d rather you elaborate on how many kids you have contributed with. As long as birth rates are low, Russia will need to import labor.

Having four kids and being a good father is more important than any race war, real or imagined.
We must go to war to preserve russian territorial integrity which requires that we import foreigners and lose our territory to another people anyways
 
I'm really baffled why you and others ignore the context in which I proposed it; in the event of a world wide nuclear exchange not a single issue which you, or anyone else disagreeing with me has mentioned would be relevant since over 90% of the world's population would be immediately wiped out. Most survivors would perish afterward, making the death rate of all humanity close to 98% of the total population.
Because you didn't make it clear that that was the context. If you're thinking of a post-nuclear war scenario, than you might as well not use the term immigration at all, since the current political and beaurocratic systems would no longer exist in a world in which 90% of the population had been killed. Just start a new thread with the title 'what would happen following an all-out nuclear exchange?' if that's the scenario that you want to discuss. This one's about an ongoing war that is taking place in the current geopolitical context.
 
Some morning mapping again.
A counter-offensive in Kursk is in full swing and it seems to be going well for the Russians, fog of war and the usual murkiness aside. Early footage generally paints a picture of relatively light Russian losses against the battered Ukrainians, which makes sense when you consider that they've been out in the open getting pounded by the air force with near-impunity for over a month now and have no proper defense lines to speak of in the area. Beyond that, your usual grind in the Donbass and speculations about whether or not long range missiles will be greenlit for Ukrainian use.
>Actually, our plane crashing and its pilot dying is a good thing
We're on a level of coping that shouldn't even be possible.
 
I'd be interested in your reasoning for this, if you're willing to expound on it.
I'm myself skeptical about it possibly starting before the end of SMO, but I will elaborate on everything else.

The three main reasons I believe the conflict is now inevitable are de-facto priviliged position of Caucasian minorities in the country, the ever-growing size of their personal military and radical Islamisation of Northern Caucasus in general.

Regarding the first aspect: there're ethnic conflicts happening constantly in the country involving the Caucasians and their absolute niggerish behavior in Russian territories because of the sense of impunity and superiority the state has given to them. A mind-boggling amount of money has been funneled over the course of decades into those territories. For example, have a load of these news from this June (articles in Russian): over 731 billion rubles have been allocated to the region from the federal budget in 2023 alone, with about 6 trillion (!!!) rubles planned for investment until 2030. In comparison, Crimea in 2022 alone has received a "record" sum of 26 billion rubles and is planned to receive 715 billion rubles by the year 2027 in accordance to the governmental socio-economic development program.
So, we have established that there's a federal district in Russia that's getting some unforgivable amounts of money despite a particular region there carrying out a genocide of Russians just two decades ago.
And they return the favor exactly how one would expect they would: by constantly picking fights with Russians and doing late night lezginka dances involving illegal firearms in Russian cities.



Absolutely uncivilised, niggerish behavior. Thankfully the locals return the favour from time to time:





Regarding the second aspect, just have a look at the following footage.



Everything in this fake bravado tik-tok footage, all of the guns, ammo and vehicles was paid for by Russian taxpayers (these are subsidized regions we're talking about). They are de-jure categorized as "spetsnaz", operating outside of MoD sphere of influence (as far as I understand, correct me here if I'm wrong), and can be de-facto categorized as mercs because they're in direct response to Kadyrov's cronies.
Now here's the thing about Akhmat: like I already said, they aren't actively engaged in combat, preferring to sit in the Nth lines of defense as those dumb ruskies from primarily Russian divisions die in a war that chechens personally don't feel involved in at all. What do they do in that spare time? Why, terrorize the populace of the recently freed and "old" territories, pick fights with military police, actual soldiers and law enforcement and overall constantly hinder the war efforts, of course.




Also take note of their looks: feels a bit odd that these "warriors" are dressed like 90s gang members, doesn't it?
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As such we have made it clear that not only have these wahhabi beards been overfed with gibs for years to the point of growing more brazen, arrogant and violent than ever, they have now been also extensively armed and left to their own devices without actually being forced to, you know, fight in a war.
This war will be over sooner or later. How does our government plan to disarm these monkeys post factum, exactly?..
All of the above sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. Now they only need a reason, perhaps not even a very significant one, to use those guns against those that wronged them. That reason after the SMO is over might be unwillingless to give muh guns and vehicles up or the sudden reduction of military gibs. However, what I foresee happening is most likely the government simply paying even more money to this now purpose-less militia in order to keep the fragile peace. Which is where we get to the third and last aspect...


The radical Islamisation and arabisation of Northern Caucasus. This reason needs no further introduction: anti-Jewish airport pogrom, that synagogue terrorist attack, you fucking name it. This will most likely be the actual reason for shit hitting the fan. And to anyone that might be wondering: "but weren't those republics like ALWAYS muslim??", I invite you compare the following footage of Makhachkala back in the soviet times and now:


Back in the 90s, dagestanis fought ALONGSIDE us against the Wahhabi terrorist cancer. As it stands now though, the moderate and normal dagis are literally oppressed by the sassy radicalised hijab-wearing minority that again, our government has no interest and/or political will to clear out and just lets this arabic cancer fester in the republic. It's an open question who exactly will take over the republic and who they will side with when the war breaks out.





To summarize: we have a genocidal republic full of insolent, violent, priviliged and constantly radicalising muslims with no sense of accountability for anything that had been fed colossally huge gibs for decades now receive free armaments out of thin air in return for tik-tok videos and lose any last bit of humbleness, with fellow radicals slowly but surely taking over the neighboring republic. Surely nothing wrong could come out of that!
 

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A counter-offensive in Kursk is in full swing and it seems to be going well for the Russians, fog of war and the usual murkiness aside. Early footage generally paints a picture of relatively light Russian losses against the battered Ukrainians, which makes sense when you consider that they've been out in the open getting pounded by the air force with near-impunity for over a month now and have no proper defense lines to speak of in the area.
Zelensky has already chimed in, saying that everything is happening in accordance with the Ukrainian master plan.

 
What the fuck happened to the West? Is all the anti-war movement in the USA just rolled up in hoping Trump will win in November and rein things back? I feel like in some ways Social Media. have sapped the life out of Western protest movements. Nobody gathers anymore.


The anti war progs are now programmed to demand ukraine victory by any means and make it quick we need it those russians are hitler.
(while in factt THEY were hitler but that's a different story. you can tell those schmucks anything and if it involves a bad guy or a bad thing in their book they will bite with gusto where the definitions of what constittutes bad were and are floating ofc)
 
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what is your take on putin himself in relation to this issue? do you see him as a race traitor of some sort or someone doing the best with what they got?
He's a former KGB officer and a pragmatist, so I assume he's just doing what he thinks is a correct call of action: pleasing his chechen lapdogs in return for praise and loyalty. I don't think morals ever stood in the way of his actions, so their constant clashes with Russians are of little concern to him.
I am saying that chechens are not as loyal as he thinks they are and that they are getting really drunk with all of their priviliges and power. They also, like all mudslimes, despise weakness and are probably making fun of him behind closed doors for doing this:

And yes if we're talking about emotions I do consider him a pathetic race traitor and a rootless fucking cosmopolitan faggot.
 
History Legend's video got the new Ukraine legion cancelled:
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"Literally 0 recruits" is even worse than I expected from their point of view.
Big fan of his proposed solution of drafting Redditors and shoving them into the meat grinder, sounds like a win-win for all of us.
 
Am I really the first to post this? I don't see it discussed anywhere. Or is this a clever fake and everybody knows it but me?

Russian pranksters impersonating Poroshenko and speaking with Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski. Presuming all this is real there's some interesting stuff to unpack in this call.



On the subject of him being taken in by this though, I can believe someone gets taken in early on. I'm slightly surprised he doesn't twig by about half-way through as Poroshenko goes on various fishing expeditions or is curiously naive on a few things. But I don't know how out of the loop Poroshenko is these days that he might ask such things. I have to ask though, does Poroshenko actually sound like that? Because weirdly he sounds very, very much like a mate of mine. Have I accidentally been hanging out with Poroshenko?

More seriously, if this is real there's a lot I'll probably say about this. Polish PM actually comes across as believing he is in the right morally as opposed to when we've seen leaks from Washington Neocons like Nuland who transparently care only about power and don't even consider morality. Just an interesting observation of their different manners between the two leaks. I'm concerned about what he says Trump intends for a negotiating position, that is to threaten Russia with escalation to get a deal. Now I'm shifting from thinking a Trump win might be the best hope for peace to starting to wonder if it really would.

Also the Polish FM's comment of "I don't think Putin is susceptible to moral pressure" made me chuckle.
 
What type of Ukrainian refugees did you meet in real life?
ancient ahh post but in communal building i was renting bunk i had a weird ass ukie refugee gurl who behaved like some sort of oversocialized menace and whenever she spots a guy and a gurl at the table or around she always axed questions like "did you two fuck" outta blue so i presume they are also into salts
 
@MAAAD I don't really have much I can say in reply but thank you for an interesting response. It's a minor question but the symbols daubed in red on the side of that white car they were setting fire to - what did they mean if anything?

The anti war progs are now programmed to demand ukraine victory by any means and make it quick we need it those russians are hitler.
(while in factt THEY were hitler but that's a different story. you can tell those schmucks anything and if it involves a bad guy or a bad thing in their book they will bite with gusto where the definitions of what constittutes bad were and are floating ofc)
I think that's actually quite insightful. Back with Iraq people protested against the war for moral reasons, primarily. Now I expect them to protest against the war in Ukraine in the same way and yet they side against Russia - and again they consider that the moral action. I suppose the answer to my question should have been obvious to me, really. They haven't changed, they simply see Russia as the aggressor this time and don't realise the extent of the West's culpability in this tragedy.
 
It's a minor question but the symbols daubed in red on the side of that white car they were setting fire to - what did they mean if anything?
Dunno. Looks like a treble clef (music sign, lol) but is probably some kind of "epic" arabic word or symbol. It's muslim virtue signalling, that's for sure.
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Piggers put Rodion Goslov (literally just photoshopped Ryan Gosling) on the official database of Ukraine's enemies. Holy fucking shit. Couldn't make this shit up. Every time I think that the butthurt belt can't possibly be more retarded they somehow prove me wrong.
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Am I really the first to post this? I don't see it discussed anywhere. Or is this a clever fake and everybody knows it but me?

Russian pranksters impersonating Poroshenko and speaking with Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski. Presuming all this is real there's some interesting stuff to unpack in this call.


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On the subject of him being taken in by this though, I can believe someone gets taken in early on. I'm slightly surprised he doesn't twig by about half-way through as Poroshenko goes on various fishing expeditions or is curiously naive on a few things. But I don't know how out of the loop Poroshenko is these days that he might ask such things. I have to ask though, does Poroshenko actually sound like that? Because weirdly he sounds very, very much like a mate of mine. Have I accidentally been hanging out with Poroshenko?

More seriously, if this is real there's a lot I'll probably say about this. Polish PM actually comes across as believing he is in the right morally
Hitler was also fully convinced he was in morally right.

The world is full of fools who think they’re “on the right side of history”.
as opposed to when we've seen leaks from Washington Neocons like Nuland who transparently care only about power and don't even consider morality. Just an interesting observation of their different manners between the two leaks. I'm concerned about what he says Trump intends for a negotiating position, that is to threaten Russia with escalation to get a deal.
Sikorski is a nobody who has no clue what Trump would or wouldn’t do.

Like so many polack lapdogs, he’s out of touch and still thinks every Republican is Ronald Reagan. The man is an idiot and an Globohomo puppet and I expect Trump recognizing him as one, on the off chance that he somehow slipped past security and into Mar Lago.

TLDR: He has no idea what Trumps plan is or how he’d negotiate.



Also the Polish FM's comment of "I don't think Putin is susceptible to moral pressure" made me chuckle.

I like Sikorski totally ruling out sending troops to Ukraine, but “But we gotta pretend it’s not out of the question to keep the Russians guessing teehee!”

Welp, guess that bluff is called now lol!

They haven't changed, they simply see Russia as the aggressor this time and don't realise the extent of the West's culpability in this tragedy.
Nah man. 2016 really broke the brain of a lot of folks. They have changed and irregardless of the wests culpability, would support the war because “Putler is allied with Trump and fixed the election and kills homos!”

The broad anti war movement was never particularly moral. All the dems were demonstrating because it was a Republican president. Just notice how they all piped down when Obama continued the war in Afghanistan.
 
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