Debate whether laws forbidding druggies from having guns are stupid or epic

[Pelican Bones]

I like how angry he is that he's so completely noncredible thanks to his endless lying that people would rather believe a government-run website than believe him, even on the rare occasion he actually probably told the truth.

Who's fault is that Balldo?

Lord knows I'm one of the world's foremost gov't haters, and I'll even throw Nick a bone here: the gun shit is stupid and I hope it is immediately thrown out and all his guns promptly returned.

Beyond that, there's nothing that the gov't is saying here that doesn't line up with my previous expectations of Nick. Nothing about it makes me think "that's just completely outside Lord Balldo's character".

Nick is relying on people to default to "guberment bad" but right now they are the only credible ones. fr fr

 

[Why am I doing this?]

Lord knows I'm one of the world's foremost gov't haters, and I'll even throw Nick a bone here: the gun shit is stupid and I hope it is immediately thrown out and all his guns promptly returned.

I hate the government so much it's unreal and I believe guns serve an essential role in protecting life and freedom, but people who commit crimes of violence and others who present a danger to those around them (junkies, drunk drivers, child abusers, etc. Nick is all three!) should not have guns.

I disagree with the means by which his guns were removed, not the result. You can't argue that someone who already habitually negligently endangers his community and his own children will somehow immediately care about the rights and safety of others as soon as he has a gun in his hand. He shouldn't be allowed to own rocks or sharp sticks.

 

[Pelican Bones]

I hate the government so much it's unreal

You don't hate them enough. Nothing Nick has done has indicated he would use those guns to commit any crime against anyone.

 

[Autistic Integrity]

You don't hate them enough. Nothing Nick has done has indicated he would use those guns to commit any crime against anyone.

Against anyone? No
Against the law of possession of a firearm while having drugs? Yes

 

[RodgerDodger]

You don't hate them enough. Nothing Nick has done has indicated he would use those guns to commit any crime against anyone.

Then argue against the law as it is enacted. Neither the DA nor the trial court is going to question the law the legislature has passed down, and that has survived appelate or higher challenge.

 

[Pelican Bones]

Against anyone? No
Against the law of possession of a firearm while having drugs? Yes

Then argue against the law as it is enacted. Neither the DA nor the trial court is going to question the law the legislature has passed down, and that has survived appelate or higher challenge.

But muh gooberment laws!!

Don't care. The law is shit. He should have his guns back.

 

[Autistic Integrity]

But muh gooberment laws!!

Don't care. The law is shit. He should have his guns back.

I agree with your opinion but the state of Minnesota still considers it a crime against them.

 

[Pelican Bones]

I agree with your opinion but the state of Minnesota still considers it a crime against them.

The original point is that Nick shouldn't have guns or rocks or whatever for... reasons? I said that taking his guns was dumb because nothing he's done has indicated he would use those guns to commit a crime against anyone.

What are you arguing here?

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

The original point is that Nick shouldn't have guns or rocks or whatever for... reasons? I said that taking his guns was dumb because nothing he's done has indicated he would use those guns to commit a crime against anyone.

What are you arguing here?

Uhhh having dealer level of cocaine? Dealers not exactly known for resolving disputes peacefully . additionally I would absolutely be in fear of nick deciding to kill himself, Kayla, and the kids in a fit of narc rage if the situation gets bad enough

 

[Belgians in the Congo]

Faggots shouldn't have guns, the Bible is clear on this.

 

[Pelican Bones]

Uhhh having dealer level of cocaine? Dealers not exactly known for resolving disputes peacefully . additionally I would absolutely be in fear of nick deciding to kill himself, Kayla, and the kids in a fit of narc rage if the situation gets bad enough

Again (and I'll try to make this as clear as I can), nothing Nick has done has indicated those guns were going to be used in a crime. Nothing. He hasn't brought them out on stream, he hasn't brandished them, he hasn't made any threats to anyone, he barely talks about them. As far as we can tell, they were all either in a safe or trigger/breach locked.

Just because armchair psychologists are worried about his narcissistic tendencies doesn't mean he's done anything to indicate he would use those guns to commit a crime against somebody.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

The original point is that Nick shouldn't have guns or rocks or whatever for... reasons? I said that taking his guns was dumb because nothing he's done has indicated he would use those guns to commit a crime against anyone.

What are you arguing here?

So what? It's a law. He supposedly knows about those.

But muh gooberment laws!!

Don't care. The law is shit. He should have his guns back.

Poor guy, caught up in statistics, when he's so quirky and unique.

 

[Autistic Integrity]

Again (and I'll try to make this as clear as I can), nothing Nick has done has indicated those guns were going to be used in a crime. Nothing. He hasn't brought them out on stream, he hasn't brandished them, he hasn't made any threats to anyone, he barely talks about them. As far as we can tell, they were all either in a safe or trigger/breach locked.

Just because armchair psychologists are worried about his narcissistic tendencies doesn't mean he's done anything to indicate he would use those guns to commit a crime against somebody.

So committing a crime like breaking the law

(iii) is an unlawful user of any controlled substance as defined in chapter 152.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/624.713

Section 10-iii

I know you're just trolling but cmon

 

[Pelican Bones]

So what? It's a law. He supposedly knows about those.

Yeah, and it's a stupid law. That's my point. I hope the judge throws it out.

@Autistic Integrity bro... I know it's a law. I've said 10 times that it's a stupid law. Are you purposely trying to miss my point here?

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Yeah, and it's a stupid law. That's my point. I hope the judge throws it out.

@Autistic Integrity bro... I know it's a law. I've said 10 times that it's a stupid law. Are you purposely trying to miss my point here?

Lol, hold your breath.

The laws vs druggies and guns have been around a long time.

In fact, since at least 2003 (prob longer; didn't bother to check) drug offenders have to be clean at least 2* years before being allowed to possess a firearm - and that means even if not convicted of a crime related to a gun.

https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/ss/ssfrarm.pdf

*OOP, it's 3 years now, whether for a drug conviction or child endangerment.

Suffah, Rekieta!

 

[Pelican Bones]

Lol, hold your breath.

The laws vs druggies and guns have been around a long time.

In fact, since at least 2003 (prob longer; didn't bother to check) drug offenders have to be clean at least 2* years before being allowed to possess a firearm - and that means even if not convicted of a crime related to a gun.

https://www.house.mn.gov/hrd/pubs/ss/ssfrarm.pdf

*OOP, it's 3 years now, whether for a drug conviction or child endangerment.

Suffah, Rekieta!

Look, I don't know what to tell you or anybody else in this thread. I keep saying it's a stupid law and people keep pointing out that that's the law.

I mean, yeah I know. I know it's the law. And it's stupid.

 

[Warm Lasagna]

Look, I don't know what to tell you or anybody else in this thread. I keep saying it's a stupid law and people keep pointing out that that's the law.

I mean, yeah I know. I know it's the law. And it's stupid.

Do you have evidence it’s a stupid law?

 

[Pelican Bones]

Do you have evidence it’s a stupid law?

Yeah, glad you asked. It's called "Shall not infringe".

 

[Warm Lasagna]

Yeah, glad you asked. It's called "Shall not infringe".

Do you have evidence that his rights were infringed?

 

[Pelican Bones]

Do you have evidence that his rights were infringed?

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought his guns were taken.