Halo MCC/Infinite/general Griefing thread - Six months, two maps, no refunds

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The funny thing is, the one 343-era Halo product that is the most faithful to the original games, outside of the MCC which are just remasters, is the Fireteam Raven arcade game. You play as four ODST side bitches who work to fight the Covenant on the side and ensure the Chief succeeds, and the story takes place in Halo 1. The art style sticks to the classic Halo trilogy for the most part. The four side bitches sacrifice themselves to distract the Covenant and the Flood so that Chief in the Pillar of Autumn will have less enemies to deal with, and he successfully blows up the Autumn, which destroys Installation 04, killing Covies, the Flood, the four side bitches, and ending the story.

The game captures the spirit of Halo-good soldiers, up against insurmountable odds, with little chance of survival, but they fight on anyways knowing that it contributes to the final victory of humanity. Not to mention they used the art style of the classic Halo series, which adds to the flavor of the Halo aesthetic.

Who'd have thought that the one new game made in the 343 era that would capture the spirit of Halo the most is the fucking arcade tie-in game?

Its almost like no one enforces Ex post facto laws and Statues of limitations anymore. #metoo.

I'd argue it wasn't even the games. It was the generally friendly playerbase that made halo what it was and turned online gaming into the mainstream. I'm talking Halo 3 with all the fun forge maps and custom lobbies that was quite diligent about quietly banning cheaters consoles. At least to where I never encountered any blatant ones and was one of the few games where I actually did make long term friends playing.

Versus the gaming "communities" post-Reach that by design, seem to do nothing but breed infighting and enable self centered pricks who need an asskicking to hide behind a banhammer and an ivory tower.

That's the problem. Microsoft somehow got it into their skulls to turn against the user-friendly culture of Halo and instead trying to make Halo into something that it is not. 343 Industries multiplied the problem by turning Halo away from its roots and doubling-down on telling the fans to go to hell. Even to this day, there are people who complain of hijinks and glitches with the MCC, and Infinite is basically treading water. Microsoft and 343 still act like they're on top of the world, when in reality, they'd be lucky if they got Nintendo's scraps.

 

[Miller]

Got into a game of Firefight and it was ruined by a cheater with infinite ammo. Thanks to the 343 jannies banning me from the Steam forums I can't post to complain about a cheater, lol
I think I will uninstall the game again.

 

[Battlefield42]

Is Halo 4 worth playing? Already played 1-3. If its shit i will just play ODST and Reach.

 

[RSU 1741]

Is Halo 4 worth playing? Already played 1-3. If its shit i will just play ODST and Reach.

Just for completionism, ODST is peculiar in its structure and Reach has problem in its singleplayer campaign (sprint IMHO destroys a lot of the Halo combat loop) but 4 is the beginning of 343's attempts at fucking the series. The plot is nonsensical and gameplay-wise their attempts to innovate the combat encounters with the Forerunners mecha bulletsponge thingies are mediocre at best, awful at worst.

If you want a preview on how 343 didn't get Halo and then started screaming around retconning and rebuilding every game in a desperate attempt to do something, 4 is a interesting piece. As a Halo game, mediocre as fuck.

 

[Battlefield42]

Just for completionism, ODST is peculiar in its structure and Reach has problem in its singleplayer campaign (sprint IMHO destroys a lot of the Halo combat loop) but 4 is the beginning of 343's attempts at fucking the series. The plot is nonsensical and gameplay-wise their attempts to innovate the combat encounters with the Forerunners mecha bulletsponge thingies are mediocre at best, awful at worst.

If you want a preview on how 343 didn't get Halo and then started screaming around retconning and rebuilding every game in a desperate attempt to do something, 4 is a interesting piece. As a Halo game, mediocre as fuck.

I guess i will just play ODST and then move onto mods. I liked the games so far despite playing the MCC versions. I don't want to play CoD but Halo.

 

[Grave Ghost]

Is Halo 4 worth playing? Already played 1-3. If its shit i will just play ODST and Reach.

Honestly I'd only play it on easy if you just want to experience the story. Even on normal the Promethans are so annoying to fight that I can probably never bring myself to play it again.

 

[The Doom Slayer]

Is Halo 4 worth playing? Already played 1-3. If its shit i will just play ODST and Reach.

I have a weird history with Halo 4. I went from being meh about it, to hating it, to kind of appreciating it more.

I like some of the stuff the campaign did, even though it is HEAVILY flawed, and generally goes to shit when it focuses on anything other than Chief and Cortana fighting Covenant. The Forerunner stuff was executed terribly and the writing for the UNSC characters is awful outside of maybe Lasky.

Avoid Spartan Ops at all costs as it is utter garbage (and its "story" is pretty much entirely nullified by Halo 5 anyway).

 

[King Dead]

Echoing the above, Halo 4 is...not great. It's a major departure from the Bungie Halos in basically every single department; graphics, art style, music, sound design, story, tone, and even more stuff I'm probably forgetting are different for no discernible reason beyond "we want to make this ours." Prometheans are simply not fun to fight against, especially on higher difficulties. The story contradicts the Halo 3 terminals, turning the Didact into a mustache-twirling villain. Worst of all, it retcons humanity into an ancient spacefaring race that was forcibly devolved by the Forerunners, instead of a species chosen to be the Forerunners' successors (I'd say spoilers but the game's over a decade old and the story only got worse from there).

On the plus side, the campaign is short, only eight levels, so it doesn't take long. There are multiple ways to break the game as well; 343 did a pretty shitty job at keeping boundaries up to stop you from getting out of the map, so there are lots of skips and despawns that are fun to mess around with. As one example, one level requires you to fly to two separate towers to fight through a bunch of enemies and hit switches to open the third and final tower to reach the end of the level. Well, 343 accidentally made it possible to fly through a hole in the door, so you can just skip straight to the end of the level and do only a couple fights along the way. It's nothing special, but if you've got the MCC, you already own it, so why not knock it out once?

Spoops is indeed totally irredeemable cancer. You're fighting in the same few locations over and over, killing seemingly unending waves of enemies, doing very boring objectives until the level finally ends...and there are fifty levels in total. It's less terrible in a group, and that's how it was designed to be played; the original release had matchmaking support as well. But if you're an achievement completionist, you have to do every single level on Legendary by yourself. On the bright side, you get infinite lives and very few missions have an actual failure state, so it's just a matter of throwing yourself at the enemy over and over again until it's done. If you're not a completionist, avoid it at all cost.

Multiplayer is what it is. Some aspects are fun, some aren't. They were clearly chasing the CoD audience, and in the process they lost a lot of what made Halo fun. Still, it's not the worst, but it's not my first choice to play when the others are right there.

 

[Soggy Floppa]

The thing I remember most about Halo 4 other than the Prometheans being actual torture to fight is that one song on the Infinity level uses the same sample as Chronopolis from Chrono Cross
(24:40 since it wont play embedded)

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Avoid Spartan Ops at all costs as it is utter garbage (and its "story" is pretty much entirely nullified by Halo 5 anyway).

Halo 4 just should've went with evil doctor Halsey helping the reborn covenant
also the fact that I don't get firefight in the newer Halo games is ridiculous firefight was the best idea

 

[Michael Wade]

Halo 4 just should've went with evil doctor Halsey helping the reborn covenant
also the fact that I don't get firefight in the newer Halo games is ridiculous firefight was the best idea

I never liked them shitting on Halsey or trying to make her seem evil. No matter what anybody says, she was completely vindicated by the covenant showing up to kill everyone. The arguments against her only have merit in world where her creations didn't save humanity. It entirely feels like a made up political issue in universe and out to throw her under the bus now that the war is over

Even then compare her to most evil scientists and its night and day how she actually treats the Spartans as kids and does everything in her power to make sure they survive.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I never liked them shitting on Halsey or trying to make her seem evil. No matter what anybody says, she was completely vindicated by the covenant showing up to kill everyone. The arguments against her only have merit in world where her creations didn't save humanity. It entirely feels like a made up political issue in universe and out to throw her under the bus now that the war is over

I mean yeah she actually makes a bunch of great points in her own defense but that's usually what happens after a major conflict all the people doing extremely immoral stuff to win the war usually get thrown under the bus.
I just thought it was a generally better way of continuing the bad guy factions they could also just made the banish the main bad guys going forward but instead they went with this random race of people who just showed up who I do not care about.
The created don't count because they were literally one game and they said and never mind and AI are all good now

 

[indomitable snowman]

Avoid Spartan Ops at all costs as it is utter garbage (and its "story" is pretty much entirely nullified by Halo 5 anyway).

Literally the entire plot and villain from Spartan ops is ended in a cutscene in the first level by the B team.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I recently became aware of the Halo 3 Combat Evolved mod and the fact that a fan made remake so far is looking better than the official Combat Evolved remake in places is mind boggling. Not only that but on the Halo 3 engine too which is OLDER than the fucking engine the actual remake was made on.

Not only that it's a mod for Halo 3 ODST! Not regular Halo 3 even.

 

[The Doom Slayer]

I never liked them shitting on Halsey or trying to make her seem evil. No matter what anybody says, she was completely vindicated by the covenant showing up to kill everyone. The arguments against her only have merit in world where her creations didn't save humanity. It entirely feels like a made up political issue in universe and out to throw her under the bus now that the war is over

Even then compare her to most evil scientists and its night and day how she actually treats the Spartans as kids and does everything in her power to make sure they survive.

I mean yeah she actually makes a bunch of great points in her own defense but that's usually what happens after a major conflict all the people doing extremely immoral stuff to win the war usually get thrown under the bus.
I just thought it was a generally better way of continuing the bad guy factions they could also just made the banish the main bad guys going forward but instead they went with this random race of people who just showed up who I do not care about.
The created don't count because they were literally one game and they said and never mind and AI are all good now

The point of Halsey was that she is supposed to be a morally gray character, with no definitive answer if what she did was right or not or if the ends justified the means.

Then 343 barged in and screamed "No, she IS evil and YOU are a faggot for liking her!" to the point there's evidence she was going to be the main villain of Halo 5 instead of Cortana. Once Spartan Ops came out and all the backlash happened they seem to have really backed off on that. But it was just yet another example of 343 not understanding the franchise.

Literally the entire plot and villain from Spartan ops is ended in a cutscene in the first level by the B team.

Once this cutscene happened I knew the entire game was going to be a disaster. (And it was)

 

[Mac Monster]

I just thought it was a generally better way of continuing the bad guy factions they could also just made the banish the main bad guys going forward but instead they went with this random race of people who just showed up who I do not care about.

The Covenant in Halo 4/5 is such a fucking boring and worthless enemy faction. They don't contribute anything to the story and solely exist to be shot at since the Promethens are too dogshit of an enemy type to carry their own game. 343 couldn't even be bothered to give them their own name since their official name is just Jul 'Mdama's Covenant.

 

[Breadbassket]

A Mega Bloks Halo game that was cancelled back in 2013 is now playable.

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

Is Halo 4 worth playing? Already played 1-3. If its shit i will just play ODST and Reach.

Not really as far as the Campaign goes, the gameplay is alright even though its not traditional Halo, but the story revolves around the Promethans which is in addition to being completely outside of Halos general artstyle and vibe make no sense lore wise, the Diadact is not really a threatening villian either and gets BTFOed in a rather lame way, its honestly no wonder they decided to go with the Banished as the main villians of Infinite as they are basically the same enemy types as the Covenant but by then it was far too late to save the absolute nonsense that is the Reclaimer saga, granted I don't think Bungie would have really known how to continue the story after Halo 3 even if they wanted to work on it but 343 deserves a special place in hell for the story alone, and that doesn't even go into the multiplayer side of things

 

[Bob Barbas]

 

[Dewey Decimal]

The only good thing out of 343 era Halo was Halo wars 2 being an all around better game than Halo wars 1 in every way. 343 couldn't make a decent villain to save their lives and just took Creative Assembly's idea for Covenant 2.0/the Banished.

Genuinely a more fun adversary to fight than these autistic bionicle knockoffs that are based around abusing Invincibility Frames to the point where FGC retards would have an aneurysm if they cared about it, or Shangheli Al-Qaeda "the Storm Covenant".