Should mentally disabled people get treated differently by the justice system even if they do bad things - Particularly regarding smart schoolboy 9 and other horror cows

Should people that harm others or are prone to do so be given more lenient sentences based on ilness

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It’s called “mens rea”

If someone isn’t in the right state of mind to be held responsible, then they aren’t capable of said crime with criminal intent. However, it would be foolish beyond words to let a madman run free, so we place them in asylums for treatment.

John Hinckley shot and very nearly killed a sitting president. Today? John Hinckley is a free man. America is a very just and compassionate nation, and found that John Hinckley was not in a sound state of mind when he said that the television was telling him to shoot someone.

As far as I know, he is out, hasn’t committed a crime, actually made a few YouTube videos and seems fairly well for someone who spent. 25+ years in a mental ward.

It’s all a matter of resources and infrastructure. The guy who shot Reagan is going to get special treatment of course. The random hobo who smears himself with doodoo to prevent himself from being pickpocketed by other homeless while he sleeps on bricks isn’t worth time and money according to the state.

All life is precious. But that is how things are right now.
 
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They need to be assigned with a legal caretaker/tutor (for those with disabilities that are in need of this), that should face the consequences if we agree that they should be treated differently. If for whatever reason this is not possible, they need to be treated in a facility until there's a caretaker, or the treatment is somehow successful.

The scale of responsability has to be balanced in some form.
 
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Fuck no, you can't just say "hurr imma retard now" to get out of it. They wait for 14 year olds and delay the trial to prosecute them as an adult, so why do retards get out of it? It's obvious that, if you were going to get a life sentence or get the death penalty for whatever stupid shit you did, fuck it, why not just try to say you're retarded to get out of it? What do you have to lose?

Also, if you disagree with that I'd be willing to meet you in the middle with this:

If you pull the "im a retard now" to get out of a crime then you should have to stick to what you just said about yourself, so you shouldn't be allowed to vote, or own a gun, and preferably not be able to reproduce.

Also no matter what you shouldn't be able to suddenly just say you're a retard when there was no record of it with teachers and an entire education system that you went through with people that you can call to a trial and testify that, no, you were not in any way shape or form retarded up until the moment you also happened to do death-penalty tier illegal shit.
 
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There are two functions to the justice system:
-Enforcing community morality on bad actors (this is where mens rea comes into play)
-Isolating habitual bad actors, regardless of whether they can help it, somewhere where they can't torment polite society

What I'm saying is we shouldn't ever have torn apart the asylum system, even if it was fraught with corruption issues, because the alternative is to shove them into prison among hardened criminals capable of teaching actual tards how to properly torture everyone around them.
 
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I think it should depend on how mentally mature and sane a mentally ill person is.
 
Absolutego said:
There are two functions to the justice system:
-Enforcing community morality on bad actors (this is where mens rea comes into play)
-Isolating habitual bad actors, regardless of whether they can help it, somewhere where they can't torment polite society

What I'm saying is we shouldn't ever have torn apart the asylum system, even if it was fraught with corruption issues, because the alternative is to shove them into prison among hardened criminals capable of teaching actual tards how to properly torture everyone around them.
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I completely agree
 
HandsomeDan said:
You mean like this story? This thing stabbed a 3 year old to death in a parking lot...no charges.

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Being declared incompetent to stand trial doesn't mean you just get off. You're held in a mental institution, which is just as bad or worse conditions than prison and you can be declared competent at some point in the future and THEN face trial and go to prison.
 
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Being declared incompetent to stand trial doesn't mean you just get off. You're held in a mental institution, which is just as bad or worse conditions than prison and you can be declared competent at some point in the future and THEN face trial and go to prison.
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You also lose your 2nd amendment rights forever if you get involuntarily committed.
 
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