What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[goh]

The best thing any government could do for their own power is to never confirm or deny things and let us stew in the ideas that we come up with based on shreds of information that seep out. It also gives any government power when you think of some strong conspiracy that makes it seems like everything they did was coordinated, well who wants to go against such an entity.

I 100% agree.
I heard a while back that each of the World Powers, China, Russia, and America (or The West if you prefer) implement different distinct methods of censorship:

China uses blatant 1984 style censorship. This thought is good, this is bad. Don't question this, and everything is fine. Disobey and face harsh punishment. The downsides are obvious; however, there's a major benefit in "knowing" what you can't talk about. Consider this moving on.

The Soviets implemented a "Fog of War" style of censorship and governing. The idea being, yes, the Soviet governement is powerful, but it's also strategically incompetent. Some things are set in stone, but others aren't so clear. You see a lot of disproportionate policing here; some places are "freer" in the sense that the government doesn't give a shit in that region (for now). The downside is that anarchy reigns in key areas, turning citizen against citizen in areas of low policing. This is a feature of the Soviet system, not a bug. Criminals become an arm of the state; why would a gang challenge the state when they can reign in a shithole Soviet bloc? Of course, if you're really, really bad, you'll get shipped off to a gulag. You'll either be torn apart by the guards or the prisoners, but you're fucked either way.

America uses a bread-and-circuses style approach to censorship. Sure, you can read all about Epstein, but will anyone care? Kanye's on nitrus, who gives a damn about Wall Street and debanking? Just keep throwing shit out there to keep people placated. Ignore the man behind the curtain.

With all that in mind, I firmly believe America, and the West as a whole, are moving towards a Soviet style of censorship/governing. Regardless of whether the economics are left or right, I believe we're being transitioned into a post-truth world where there's an omnipresent "Fog of War." Moreover, we're seeing that push for depolicing alongside mass illegal immigration, so the criminal element of the Soviet system will be employed.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

America uses a bread-and-circuses style approach to censorship. Sure, you can read all about Epstein, but will anyone care? Kanye's on nitrus, who gives a damn about Wall Street and debanking? Just keep throwing shit out there to keep people placated. Ignore the man behind the curtain.

That's the natural form of it. Goes all the way back to the Minoans, keep the people happy enough and you can sweep pretty much anything you want under the rug. Problem is it's a lot like water seepage, the problems keep accumulating if not addressed and eventually everything collapses in some form.

 

[goh]

That's the natural form of it. Goes all the way back to the Minoans, keep the people happy enough and you can sweep pretty much anything you want under the rug. Problem is it's a lot like water seepage, the problems keep accumulating if not addressed and eventually everything collapses in some form.

Yes, I agree.  The Omelas book is prescient in the fact that the majority of people will gladly torture a child if that means their community can eat and be merry (although the author draws some retarded conclusions from that afaik). Most people will give up a lot for creature comforts.

This does raise a question for me: how much of our current political climate boils down to "I'm bored and unstimulated?" There's been a glut of shitty, culturally stagnant content ever since the 2010s. Are people pissed over real issues or are they actually pissed because there hasn't been a good, apolitical Pixar movie in over a decade? That's not to say that there aren't real issues, more so that people are essentially throwing temper tantrums over stupid distractions and using real politics as a vehicle for that.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Most people will give up a lot for creature comforts.

They got me a long time ago.

Is there anything better than self-indulgence, comfort and luxury in an orderly environment? I was having lunch and tending my flowers earlier and was struck by the sheer beauty of what I cultivated. Bees so heavy with pollen they struggle to fly, grasshoppers lazing around the lavender....a hot bath, a fine meal, a soft bed...that is life.

I'll need to give some of the plants Iron Tone soon. Remarkable development of the trunk on my spruce penjing as well.

 

[Screamer_2]

I 100% agree.
I heard a while back that each of the World Powers, China, Russia, and America (or The West if you prefer) implement different distinct methods of censorship:

China uses blatant 1984 style censorship. This thought is good, this is bad. Don't question this, and everything is fine. Disobey and face harsh punishment. The downsides are obvious; however, there's a major benefit in "knowing" what you can't talk about. Consider this moving on.

The Soviets implemented a "Fog of War" style of censorship and governing. The idea being, yes, the Soviet governement is powerful, but it's also strategically incompetent. Some things are set in stone, but others aren't so clear. You see a lot of disproportionate policing here; some places are "freer" in the sense that the government doesn't give a shit in that region (for now). The downside is that anarchy reigns in key areas, turning citizen against citizen in areas of low policing. This is a feature of the Soviet system, not a bug. Criminals become an arm of the state; why would a gang challenge the state when they can reign in a shithole Soviet bloc? Of course, if you're really, really bad, you'll get shipped off to a gulag. You'll either be torn apart by the guards or the prisoners, but you're fucked either way.

America uses a bread-and-circuses style approach to censorship. Sure, you can read all about Epstein, but will anyone care? Kanye's on nitrus, who gives a damn about Wall Street and debanking? Just keep throwing shit out there to keep people placated. Ignore the man behind the curtain.

With all that in mind, I firmly believe America, and the West as a whole, are moving towards a Soviet style of censorship/governing. Regardless of whether the economics are left or right, I believe we're being transitioned into a post-truth world where there's an omnipresent "Fog of War." Moreover, we're seeing that push for depolicing alongside mass illegal immigration, so the criminal element of the Soviet system will be employed.

I remember reading something years ago about someone from the Soviet Union talking about the differences between the news in the Soviet Union and America. It was basically that people in the Soviet Union knew their news was lying to them, but in America people believe their news was telling them the truth.

I have to wonder if what is going on now in the West is that there is a strong divide between people who know the news lies, whether directly or by omission and those who still believe it. The whole crack down on misinformation and the strong push to mass censorship and control is directly because they are trying to claw back people to trust the official narratives.

They're framing it all entirely on people that believe non-sense and stupid conspiracy theories. To try and justify that there should only be trusted sources. In Australia they're literally proposing a Ministry of Truth for online. They're desperate that the power centre of telling people what to think or know has slipped.

 

[FatalTater]

I always find it funny that there's so rarely anything newsworthy happening at the weekends. Pay attention, weekend news is all sports and entertainment, no matter what is actually going on in the world. Totally natural I'm sure.

and, a fun thing to do if some conspiracy theory is making your eyes roll, if "Illuminati" or "government" seems impossible, mentally replace it with "Mafia" and see if the theory seems more plausible.

 

[Bonesjones]

Yes, I agree.  The Omelas book is prescient in the fact that the majority of people will gladly torture a child if that means their community can eat and be merry (although the author draws some retarded conclusions from that afaik). Most people will give up a lot for creature comforts.

The story was about her knowing her literary friends were child molesters and rapists and being unwilling to do anything about it.

 

[P R O X Y]

I remember reading something years ago about someone from the Soviet Union talking about the differences between the news in the Soviet Union and America. It was basically that people in the Soviet Union knew their news was lying to them, but in America people believe their news was telling them the truth.

I might be wrong but I think when it comes to Russia specifically, after the collapse of the Soviet Union it was a country ran completely by organized crime. It probably still is but until Putin came into office there was no normalcy for the Russian people. Ignoring the special operation in Ukraine, I believe most Russians simply wanted comfort. It was either let the government be corrupt but give you some semblance of comfort, or the alternative of a completely lawless criminal state takeover.

Same thing is happening in El Salvador. I don't live there so not sure what the people actually think, but some documentaries show that the police basically walk into anyone's house to find "criminals" and will stop anyone in the street if they think they might be a criminal. Does it probably destroy a lot of the organized crime? Maybe. That is again trading their freedom for comfort somewhat.

If you boil down almost any country and their ties to organized crime, it really becomes do people want to be controlled by basically lawless criminals who make no effort to make your life comfortable .. or do you let your government control you and they at least try to make your life a bit more comfortable even if its not.

 

[Nіgger]

China uses blatant 1984 style censorship. This thought is good, this is bad. Don't question this, and everything is fine. Disobey and face harsh punishment. The downsides are obvious; however, there's a major benefit in "knowing" what you can't talk about. Consider this moving on.

This is false. Why are you gulping up western propoganda?

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

This is false. Why are you gulping up western propoganda?

+20 social credit score to you, comrade!

 

[SIMIΔN]

Anyone have Mossad mass booby trapping pagers in Lebanon on their conspiracy bingo card?

 

[UnsufficentBoobage]

Idk if anybody even thinks this, but I think things like this

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/premium/article/miracle-plant-eaten-extinction-2000-years-ago-silphion

happen cause enough people, through popculture exposure and astroturfed antichristianity, came to worship Greek gods and fuckers are growing in their influence over the world.

 

[goh]

I remember reading something years ago about someone from the Soviet Union talking about the differences between the news in the Soviet Union and America. It was basically that people in the Soviet Union knew their news was lying to them, but in America people believe their news was telling them the truth.

I believe you're referring to a quote by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, author of The Gulag Archipelago. He was imprisoned and tortured in a gulag for being an Orthodox Christian. I highly encourage you to read a little about him if not the book itself; his explanations of the Soviet system are what I based that section of my post on. Here's the quote:

“We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.”

I have to wonder if what is going on now in the West is that there is a strong divide between people who know the news lies, whether directly or by omission and those who still believe it. The whole crack down on misinformation and the strong push to mass censorship and control is directly because they are trying to claw back people to trust the official narratives.

I believe that distinction boils down to IQ and exposure to online content. I doubt most people have heard of the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, but I think people are slowly realizing what it is intuitively. Essentially, someone will read an article about something they know, realize it's bullshit, then move on to the next page expecting it to be true. I hypothesize that more people are noticing the GMA Effect due to the Internet. People become more critical of the news as a result.

The story was about her knowing her literary friends were child molesters and rapists and being unwilling to do anything about it.

Do you have a source for that off the top of your head? In fact, my initial assumption was that Omelas was about childhood abuse being ignored, but I never really looked into its backstory per se. I had a professor insist that it was always intended to be an indictment of segregation and that was how most scholars viewed it.

This is false. Why are you gulping up western propoganda?

 

[Screamer_2]

I believe that distinction boils down to IQ and exposure to online content. I doubt most people have heard of the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect, but I think people are slowly realizing what it is intuitively. Essentially, someone will read an article about something they know, realize it's bullshit, then move on to the next page expecting it to be true. I hypothesize that more people are noticing the GMA Effect due to the Internet. People become more critical of the news as a result.

I always bring that up.

"The media is generally reliable and true, except for anything I have specific knowledge about.”

I don't really know how to explain it, but there's a difference between how people view the news and official narratives with authority or not. Whether someone needs to have it explained so they understand it. Versus those who just accept it.

I constantly watch or read things and go, "that makes no sense to me." Or I can just read something and know that context and information is missing.

On some level I think a lot of people have no understanding of most things, so they never process the news in a way that makes any sense. "Russia blew up it's own pipeline." How can anyone with any understanding of anything actually believe that from the get go? You have to literally know little, understand little and have no innate fact checking thought processes. Or you know it's bullshit but pretend otherwise because of ideological beliefs, possibly to the point it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, it just aligns and so that's why you agree.

 

[STARS158]

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Part 2???

 

[AnOminous]

This is false. Why are you gulping up western propoganda?

Shut up groid.

 

[Bonesjones]

Do you have a source for that off the top of your head? In fact, my initial assumption was that Omelas was about childhood abuse being ignored, but I never really looked into its backstory per se. I had a professor insist that it was always intended to be an indictment of segregation and that was how most scholars viewed it.

You just have to look at the fantasy/scifi fiction scene in San Francisco in the 60s and 70s. Marion Zimmer Bradley and husband were raping kids. Pretty much every involved was either a pedo or pedo apologist at best.

 

[Meriasek]

Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect

I keep forgetting the name for this. Really gotta write it down, because it's a very important thing to realise.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

They're in the dulce base underneath the archuleta mesa, obviously.

Actual psy-op

Oh found something on it

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One thing that gives me a really big think is how often Z-Big talks about weather control in his books.

 

[Nuclear Poisoning]

I keep forgetting the name for this. Really gotta write it down, because it's a very important thing to realise.

Why do you need to memorize some random name for a concept that is of fundamental importance in mass media-saturated modern times? Just practice explaining it in a succint way in your words without resorting to namesdropping '70es horror movie-sounding proper nouns to sound clever.