War More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah members, wounded in Lebanon when pagers explode - Israel blows the balls off Hezbollah members

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hezbollah-members-wounded-lebanon-when-pagers-exploded-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/

BEIRUT, Sept 17 (Reuters) - More than 1,000 people, including Hezbollah fighters and medics, were wounded on Tuesday when the pagers they use to communicate exploded across Lebanon, security sources told Reuters.
A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the detonation of the pagers was the "biggest security breach" the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel.
Israel and the Iran-backed Hezbollah have been engaged in cross-border warfare since the Gaza war erupted last October, the worst such escalation in years.

The Israeli military declined to comment on Reuters enquiries about the detonations.
Iran's Mehr news agency said the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, Mojtaba Amani, was injured by one of the blasts. Reuters could not immediately confirm the report.
A Reuters journalist saw ambulances rushing through the southern suburbs of the capital Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold, amid widespread panic. A security source said that devices were also exploding in the south of Lebanon.

At Mt. Lebanon hospital, a Reuters reporter saw motorcycles rushing to the emergency room, where people with their hands bloodied were screaming in pain.
The head of the Nabatieh public hospital in the south of the country, Hassan Wazni, told Reuters that around 40 wounded people were being treated at his facility. The wounds included injuries to the face, eyes and limbs.
The wave of explosions lasted around an hour after the initial detonations, which took place about 3:45 p.m. local time (1345 GMT). It was not immediately clear how the devices were detonated.

Lebanese internal security forces said a number of wireless communication devices were detonated across Lebanon, especially in Beirut's southern suburbs, leading to injuries.
Groups of people huddled at the entrance of buildings to check on people they knew who may have been wounded, the Reuters journalist said.
Regional broadcasters carrying CCTV footage which showed what appeared to be a small handheld device placed next to a grocery store cashier where an individual was paying spontaneously exploding. In other footage, an explosion appeared to knock out someone standing at a fruit stand at a market area.

Lebanon’s crisis operations center, which is run by the health ministry, asked all medical workers to head to their respective hospitals to help cope with the massive numbers of wounded coming into for urgent care. It said health care workers should not use pagers.
The Lebanese Red Cross said more than 50 ambulances and 300 emergency medical staff were dispatched to assist in the evacuation of victims.

Hezbollah fired missiles at Israel immediately after the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas gunmen on Israel. Hezbollah and Israel have been exchanging fire constantly ever since, while avoiding a major escalation as war rages in Gaza to the south.
Tens of thousands of people have been displaced from towns and villages on both sides of the border by the hostilities.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/dozens-hezbollah-members-wounded-lebanon-when-pagers-exploded-sources-witnesses-2024-09-17/

From OSINT

What we know so far:
- Explosion happened simultanously
- Explosions didn't only happen in Lebanon, but in Syria too so it's a long range to be wireless detonation signal.
- The pager is 'Rugged Pager AR924' produced by a Taiwanese company
- Small Li-Ion battery, can't explode that big
- None of the pagers caught fire, which is common incase of a battery 'explosion' rather they just exploded.
- However the pagers did heat up before
- All exploded pagers were the same model of pager.
- The pagers came from one shipment

Also pretty shitty headline considering this was an attack that could only hit Hezbollah members

Video of the attacks

 

[Goofy Logic]

This makes me think the pager deliberately rang to get the carriers attention to check it in order to cause max hp damage... Has this been confirmed anywhere? If so it'd require more than just a timed explosive and more a 'backdoor', in which a code is texted.... Sorry... 'paged' to them in order to set it off

There is footage from a hospital showing a lot of patients with mangled hands and faces, which would indicate they were holding the pager and looking at it when it went off. Should you ignore the pager, Considering the location you would typically wear the pager - on the side of the hip- you would be looking at a busted pelvis and thigh bone at least.

A lot of those wounded are going to wind up as amputees.

 

[Michael_Jordan_Peterson]

the people who love blowing up and exploding in public got blown up and exploded in public and people are mad?

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Bros, I heard Hezbollah is requesting hundreds of seeing eye dogs for their upper brass. For obvious reasons no Muslim country is able to help.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

It's interesting seeing the litigation of whether this is a war crime, and whether Israel is justified. I think the more important part is:

So I wonder what the large scale implications of this are, since not only pagers were rigged but also walkie-talkie; and what will this mean for buying analogue or old technology for communications. I apologise for skipping the thread through highlights (like I said, pages of flame war over the Israel question), but is there any information on how they were rigged, whether if it was a job done by Israel's group on the devices after they were made or during it being made? Because governments just asking companies to add a bomb to their devices is pretty chilling (not that it hasn't been unheard of, since tech companies already allow for backdoor in software).

i cannot believe people legitimately think the orban government of hungary is just some jew-cucked puppet. it's one of the most anti-semitic nations on the continent. why would they work with israel? their citizens are consistently polled as some of the most anti-semitic in all of europe.

 

[Otto von Bismarck]

Terrorism doesn't justify terrorism.

This isn't terrorism retard, this is a country using sophisticated tactics to cause casualties against a terrorist group that has been launching rockets at them for a year. I don't like Israel but this was an impressive, scary, and intelligent move.

 

[Oxyjen]

Is there even real Fax service left or is it all internet based?

As long as there is a landline phone network (either real copper or the phone socket on the back of a fibre modem) fax machines will work. They are point to point devices, one machine dials another and sends the copy, that’s it.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Mines,_Booby-Traps_and_Other_Devices

"The Protocol prohibits the use of land mines, remotely delivered mines, or booby traps to kill civilians or to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering to soldiers. It also prohibits the use of booby traps that are "attached to or associated with" any of the following features:

(a) internationally recognized protective emblems, signs or signals;(b) sick, wounded or dead persons;(c) burial or cremation sites or graves;(d) medical facilities, medical equipment, medical supplies or medical transportation;(e) children's toys or other portable objects or products specially designed for the feeding, health, hygiene, clothing or education of children;(f) food or drink;(g) kitchen utensils or appliances except in military establishments, military locations or military supply depots;(h) objects clearly of a religious nature;(i) historic monuments, works of art or places of worship which constitute the cultural or spiritual heritage of peoples; and(j) animals or their carcasses."

But the good goyim will cry "but hamas does it!".

None of this applies here dude. If you have a communication device of an armed organization then you are assuredly a part of it.

 

[Happy Fish]

It's only terrorism if you target the civilian population like Hezbollah is doing. If you target a military organization like Hezbollah with a terror campaign, that's a regular part of war. Like Russian Iskander attacks on training bases in deep Western Ukraine, or sniper terror attacks on enemy trenches in WW2.

If you disregard civilian targets for the sake of attacking combatants it is all the same. At very least of those confirmed killed in the first attack, the enemy combatants were the minority. (At least of the posting of the article above feel free to correct me because I actually want to believe that people asserting it was "surgical" were right and not just illiterate.)

 

[LifeAlert]

And here I am being told that nobody is dismissing the civilians killed.

In clown world, civilians qualify as "military targets"

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

 

[mold]

Huh.
I’m not going to question how you know what the valiant mujahideen are doing in the US, but if anyone Muslim or Arab does a heckin terror on America again, it’s going to be open season on Muslims like it’s 2002.

Hope you’re right.

people in the US rarely do heckin terrorisms, we get a very different group than what they get in Europe

people come here to make money

which is good cause from what I can see our domestic intelligence gatherers rely entirely on internet surveillance and mostly hang around discord entrapping teenage boys, and recently they vastly prefer doing that to white ones

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

If you disregard civilian targets for the sake of attacking combatants it is all the same. At very least of those confirmed killed in the first attack, the enemy combatants were the minority. (At least of the posting of the article above feel free to correct me because I actually want to believe that people asserting it was "surgical" were right and not just illiterate.)

Civilians would not have a Hezbollah-issued comms device. Especially one that was issued out in the last 5 months in preparation for their next campaign. These are high-ranking Hezbollah members who were considered important enough to be given new gear.

Let's face it, if the number of civilian casualties was actually noteworthy, we would've had some evidence of it by now. Instead we just have footage of surly military-aged men with missing limbs and genitalia.

 

[Happy Fish]

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I'm mad at myself for laughing. I hate Groypers more than I thought.

 

[draggs]

If you disregard civilian targets for the sake of attacking combatants it is all the same. At very least of those confirmed killed in the first attack, the enemy combatants were the minority. (At least of the posting of the article above feel free to correct me because I actually want to believe that people asserting it was "surgical" were right and not just illiterate.)

The fuck are you talking about

The first attack was confirmed by Hezbollah to be majority (90%) Hezbollah member deaths

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the attacks weren't surgical, maybe you can provide some besides asserting it and hand-wringing. You totally aren't a poltard you super don't care pls bro believe you bro

If there were piles of children and grandmas harmed then pictures and video would be all over soshul media, instead all we're seeing is pictures and video of military- and middle-aged males btfo

 

[AnOminous]

Lol they did it again but with radios. What's next?

Cars. Oh wait.

Fun fact: Zionists pre-Israel invented the car bombing, or at least were the first to put it into wide practice.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

that's the thing every one of these drooling monkeys fails or refuses to realize. they were sold out by their own leaders, not the jews coming over and literally opening gates. they like to talk about the gates of toledo, but that's not what's happening in the modern era, it's just guiltbombs that retarded white people either fall for, or high-wealth whites use to exploit cheapo foreign labor at the expense of the retarded constituent who can be aimed at just about anyone with a little bit of race baiting.

No one fails to realize anything about this bullshit claim you're making or implying with draggs
. Jews using NGOs, bribing politicans (leaders), and pushing a lot of the propoganda campaigns trying to resist such actions pushed a lot of this migration into the west... Same shit is happening in Japan as we speak and was originally pushed by a Jewish ambassador from the Us.

This is the same shit logic that implies if someone hires a hit man to kill someone they aren't guilty because all they did was paid the person, the hit man could have just said no. Ignoring that person hiring them would just keep looking until they someone to take the payment and preform the hit.

Even in the case of white leaders, fishy how many of them come out as ZIONIST outright, but sure let's ignore that too.

"They didn't open the gates." Jews for Refugees, "We welcome our muslim brothers." Countless stories of Jewish unions pushing for Muslim migration, totally white people's fault.

i cannot believe people legitimately think the orban government of hungary is just some jew-cucked nation. it's one of the most anti-semitic nations on the continent. why would they work with israel? their citizens are consistently polled as some of the most anti-semitic in all of europe.

Because Jewish rabbi's are trying to influence their leaders. It means little if they are so heavily antisemitic if their leader sells out to a specific demographic.

"The Federation of Hungarian Jewish Communities' request follows controversial remarks from Prime Minister Orban, who said Hungarians 'do not want to become peoples of mixed races'"

Oh jeesh I wonder who could be promoting mix racing, must be those blasted "White leaders" .

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[Americunt]

you are dead fucking wrong. if my mom was labeled a terrorist by the israelis she would not be welcome in my house because of the danger she would present to my family. it's not to say i wouldn't support her, but because of the risk it would put my loved ones in, absolutely not. if i were deemed a terrorist, i would leave my house that day, because the risk of them being killed would be too great. it would radicalize me into being a terrorist f or sure if i, as someone who has never actually done anything, were suddenly labeled a terrorist. that's not what has happened with hezbollah, and everyone involved in this knows that. you have to seek out to join them, you aren't born a member for life.

Baffling admission that you'd throw your own family under the bus because some group that hates you and wants your people exterminated labeled them a terrorist aside, this is just the "but I did have breakfast today" logic I've come to expect from retards in this thread that can't imagine being put in a situation where they're put against the wall without any other choice but to resist with aysmetric, and yes, admittedly dirty tactics.

Let's recontextualize: in the dystopian not so distant future where the definition of "terrorist" includes posting on a New Zealandese agricultural forum, and your only option is to resist by any means necessary, or shrug and throw your family and yourself under the bus, you're still gonna be a-okay with your answer here? It's the principle of the matter and the precedent handwaving attacks like this sets that people arguing with you are trying to get through your thick skull, but I imagine the point's going to be lost on you even if a 500lb bomb's dropped on your roof, which I pray happens soon actually.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

If you disregard civilian targets for the sake of attacking combatants it is all the same.

how are they supposed to do that when their enemy intentionally puts himself, all his materiel, and his bases of operation within civilian homes, places of work, and whole cities? how is that supposed to be done when this enemy intentionally uses civilians as cover for their operations? you are so disingenuous here, because you intentionally ignore that the major problem here is that a terrorist organization is using a civilian city as its base of operations.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Let's face it, if the number of civilian casualties was actually noteworthy, we would've had some evidence of it by now.

Its barely been 24 hours since the first attack and 12 since the second, hospitals are still scrambling.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I only disagree with the idea that this particular attack was done by shorting the battery out. This would not produce the effects seen, either the severity or the suddenness. A pouch cell will not “explode” when shorted out, it will just overheat and then ignite.

No, I don't think so either, and I mentioned an explosive. My guess is that the batteries heat or ignition was used to trigger the explosive. You could also create a more controlled spark with such a setup. I don't know anything about explosives so I would not know the viable mechanism. I do know that some explosives can be triggered with electrical charge, I don't know if a battery like this would have the energy required though.

As for only using batteries in releated things, I could imagine you could prep lithium cells as a makeshift bomb in an airplane, but I'm pretty sure there's an upper limit on how many cells you can carry.