Why I abandoned nationality, race, and tribalism

[Laplace's Victim]

I’ve been thinking a lot lately about tribalism, and I’ve decided to reject it entirely
We often define ourselves through nationality, race, politics, religion, so many layers of identity that create "tribes" we associate with.
But what if I strip away those layers and focus ONLY on myself as an individual?

I’ve already rejected the idea of nationality. I don’t feel any connection or loyalty to a country. But race that’s harder. There’s this nagging part of me that sees myself as "white" and non-whites as outside my "tribe." But I don't want to cling to this identity.
Not because I want to be less racist, but because I want to be free from things that hold me down and don't serve me.

I want to be a true individualist, someone who's not chained to arbitrary, collective identities that bring no real benefit. Why should I care about race or nation? It’s all just tribal conditioning. At its core, tribalism is selfish, it creates an "us" vs. "them" mentality, allowing us to justify cruelty towards others who aren’t part of our group. Think about how we treat animals versus pets: we mass murder animals without a second thought, but we cherish our dogs and cats because they’re "in our tribe.

Humans do this all the time, even with other people. Historically, we had no problem murdering those from rival tribes, because they were "the other."
This is how we are conditioned. It’s what lies at the heart of psychopathy: no empathy for those outside the tribe.

In today's society, our tribalism has become more complicated. It’s not just about a small group anymore. Now we align ourselves with race, religion, nationality, political affiliation, job, class, even hobbies and sports teams. Our minds are filled with all these competing tribal identities, each fighting for dominance and bringing us suffering in the process.

For me, this realization started with politics. When I was 13, I was watching ben shapiro and watching conservatives. Then I found destiny’s debates, and my worldview was shattered. I realized that there wasn’t one simple truth, but rather a messy complexity to everything. Everyone from different political positions had good points

After a while, I stopped caring about politics. It was too complicated, and I saw through the illusio. All of it left, right, center just different tribal banners. The more I engaged with it, the more I realized how pointless it was to get upset. So now, I engage with politics purely for entertainment.

When you let go of the need to belong to any tribe, you experience freedom. No more emotional attachment to any group, no more bending to societal expectations. So many people live in fear of letting others down, whether it’s parents, partners, or friends just because they’re still trapped by tribal expectations I’ve seen people ready to end their lives but holding on just so they don’t "disappoint" others

One of the biggest things I've noticed in life is that people’s reactions are often based on what they believe they’re "supposed" to feel as part of a certain identity group. They shape their emotions and behaviors to fit into these molds whether it’s a nationality, race, or political identity.
It’s all arbitrary.

To truly be free, I reject it all. Fuck everyone else that isn’t me. That even includes family at times. Why should I be bound to these predetermined roles that don’t serve me?
Individualism is the path to freedom, not these outdated concepts of race, nationality, or political tribe.

When you live for yourself, detached from tribal labels, you gain clarity. No more fighting over ideologies or wasting energy defending arbitrary identities.
You can finally be FREE

Here's a good video about this

 

[KittyGremlin]

Uuuuuh. I think that's progress?

 

[TenMilesWide]

When your gut tells you to distrust other ethnicities, that's billions of years of evolution (and/or God's impeccable and inscrutable Plan) talking.
Your failure to commit to racial hate dishonors your ancestors.

 

[JamusActimus]

Breaking race, family, tribes and city based bonds is exactly what those in power tm want.

I am not saying to accept every bond even if retarded to get a sense of community.

However, if you only think about yourself you can't see the bigger picture, have ideals and fight for them.

 

[Tablet County]

Don't listen to them. Create new ideals for others to follow. Become the Ubermensch.

 

[SlavSquater]

My goy, what you wrote was is so very euphoric. It makes me wish we threw all the broccoli-haired twinks into a nice cozy woodchipper.

 

[OrionBalls]

Breaking race, family, tribes and city based bonds is exactly what those in power tm want.

I am not saying to accept every bond even if retarded to get a sense of community.

However, if you only think about yourself you can't see the bigger picture, have ideals and fight for them.

Wouldn't the ideals become "What is best for humanity as a whole?"

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Aren't you like a kid with well off family, living in a yuppier part of Europe or the US? It's a lot easier to engage in that type of thinking when your livelihood is guaranteed by people who do have loyalty to you, in a safe environment where if you decide to live the hardcore sigma lifestyle it doesn't mean struggling and dying like it would in plenty of other times throughout human existence.

I don't even know if you work, and if you don't then yeah you probably don't get why class consciousness or collective bargaining is so important unless you feel like a full return to feudalism (not that we're so far off from that at this point).

As for politics, all modern mainstream politics are pro-establishment because if they weren't they wouldn't be permitted to be mainstream, and therefore they are, by and large, just pointless tribalism.

Tribalism didn't become a thing because an evil wizard magicked it into our psyche, it's a thing because for the hundreds of thousands of years that homo sapiens has existed it's been crucial to our survival to stick with genetically and ideologically similar groups with aligning interests.

Having loyalty and competent allies is extremely helpful and important, and you'll learn that more and more as you get older.

To truly be free, I reject it all. Fuck everyone else that isn’t me. That even includes family at times. Why should I be bound to these predetermined roles that don’t serve me?
Individualism is the path to freedom, not these outdated concepts of race, nationality, or political tribe.

No it's not, if humans were purely individualistic then none of the surplus of society would exist and you'd be too occupied by your barely-met immediate physiological needs do shit else.

To summarize: Rich spoiled white kid doesn't understand harsh reality, decides fuck everyone except me (while they all still support and protect me), more at 11.

 

[Bloitzhole]

I believe you went three quarters of the way and then stopped. You acknowledge that there seems to be a human need for tribalism. You realized that basing one's bonds only on predetermined aspects such as nationality, race or even family and ephemeral bullshit like current year political stances can be rather silly. I would argue however, that the conclusion to be drawn thus is not that all bonds are silly and worth discarding. That is akin to acknowledging that fashion is rather silly and concluding that all clothes ought to be discarded (and then freezing in winter).
To my mind, the conclusion is that we should put more stock into the bonds we intentionally choose. Friendship, loved ones, communities that share one's passions; the people deserving of our bonds because they enrich our lives and we enrich theirs.

Now this might overlap with family, race, ideology or nation, but it is not a necessity. It can help (some) though.

 

[Laplace's Victim]

When your gut tells you to distrust other ethnicities, that's billions of years of evolution (and/or God's impeccable and inscrutable Plan) talking.
Your failure to commit to racial hate dishonors your ancestors.

When you speak of 'honoring ancestors' and racial hate as some inherent truth, you expose yourself as a slave to the past a past built on primitive fears and blind loyalty to systems that no longer serves you

But let me tell you something: truth doesn’t exist. What you think of as ‘truth’ is just a collection of arbitrary rules shaped by evolution, culture, and the power dynamics of the time. It’s all meaningless, subjective.

You talk about billions of years of evolution, yet fail to grasp the fact that clinging to outdated tribal instincts is a sign of weakness, not strength. The world has changed, and I refuse to be bound by some dead ancestors fears. I will create my own reality one not dictated by race or any other irrelevant identity. Those who cannot let go of such chains are doomed to be ruled, not to rule

Breaking race, family, tribes and city based bonds is exactly what those in power tm want.

I am not saying to accept every bond even if retarded to get a sense of community.

However, if you only think about yourself you can't see the bigger picture, have ideals and fight for them.

You claim that breaking bonds is what those in power want, but you misunderstand what true power is.

((They)) manipulate collective bonds because they know the masses are weak and easily controlled through identity, loyalty, and herd mentality. When you reject these bonds race, family, tribes you free yourself from the shackles they rely on to maintain control
The true elite are those who transcend these attachments, not those who cling to them.

You talk about ideals, but ask yourself: whose ideals are you really fighting for? Are they even yours, or just the product of indoctrination from society? The 'bigger picture' you speak of is an illusion, a convenient lie told to keep you loyal to groups that will never truly benefit you.

By focusing solely on myself, I can see more clearly than those who are bound by their so-called 'ideals.' I fight for something far greater: my own visionn, my own will
Those who cannot free themselves from their bonds are nothing but pawns in someone else’s game.

I refuse to be a pawn

Aren't you like a kid with well off family, living in a yuppier part of Europe or the US? It's a lot easier to engage in that type of thinking when your livelihood is guaranteed by people who do have loyalty to you, in a safe environment where if you decide to live the hardcore sigma lifestyle it doesn't mean struggling and dying like it would in plenty of other times throughout human existence.

I don't even know if you work, and if you don't then yeah you probably don't get why class consciousness or collective bargaining is so important unless you feel like a full return to feudalism (not that we're so far off from that at this point).

As for politics, all modern mainstream politics are pro-establishment because if they weren't they wouldn't be permitted to be mainstream, and therefore they are, by and large, just pointless tribalism.

Tribalism didn't become a thing because an evil wizard magicked it into our psyche, it's a thing because for the hundreds of thousands of years that homo sapiens has existed it's been crucial to our survival to stick with genetically and ideologically similar groups with aligning interests.

Having loyalty and competent allies is extremely helpful and important, and you'll learn that more and more as you get older.


No it's not, if humans were purely individualistic then none of the surplus of society would exist and you'd be too occupied by your barely-met immediate physiological needs do shit else.

To summarize: Rich spoiled white kid doesn't understand harsh reality, decides fuck everyone except me (while they all still support and protect me), more at 11.

You’re amusingly predictable, making assumptions about my life as if understanding my environment would give you some insight into the truth. But I’ve long since outgrown such simplistic thinking.

You talk about loyalty, about collective struggle, as if these are universal virtues. They aren’t. They are tools, used by the weak to survive and by the powerful to manipulate. I don't reject these bonds because of some privileged ignorance; I reject them because I see them for what they are shackles meant to bind you to a life of servitude. You say humans need tribalism for survival, but survival is the bare minimum. I am not content to merely survive; I aim to transcend, to dominate, to bend reality to my will

You speak as though loyalty and collective bargaining are the highest ideals. But the truth is, those who depend on others for their security will never be free. They will always be at the mercy of those alliances, bound to the whims of others. I, on the other hand, rely only on myself

You claim I don’t understand harsh realities? Perhaps you’re the one who is blind. While you cling to the comfort of your 'alliances' and 'support systems,' I see them as weaknesses. The moment they falter, you will crumble. I, however, am self-reliant. That is true strength. You call it 'sigma lifestyle' I call it mastery over the chaos of life.

You’re right about one thing: politics is just pointless tribalism. But here’s the difference between you and me: I don’t get trapped in the game. I manipulate it when it benefits me and discard it when it doesnrt

So keep your so-called loyalty, your collective struggle. It’s nothing more than the weak banding togeteher hoping to survive a little longer. I have no need for such crutches. I create my own path, and those who can’t keep up well, they’ll be left behind

 

[Tablet County]

We're reaching levels of based never before thought possible.

 

[Fascist Frederick]

Welcome to the anti-tribe individualist tribe, brother! We're so much better than all those other tribes, we'll show them.

 

[JamusActimus]

((They)) manipulate collective bonds because they know the masses are weak and easily controlled through identity, loyalty, and herd mentality. When you reject these bonds race, family, tribes you free yourself from the shackles they rely on to maintain control

Yeah it's used to manipulate people too but true bond and solidarity allow people to be more resilient and fight against injustice. If everyone is alone and self centered they can't accomplish anything.

The true elite are those who transcend these attachments, not those who cling to them.

They can't transcend them because they have power.
They can go in any country and be treated well and have access to all luxurious commodities because they have money, power and connections

You talk about ideals, but ask yourself: whose ideals are you really fighting for? Are they even yours, or just the product of indoctrination from society? The 'bigger picture' you speak of is an illusion, a convenient lie told to keep you loyal to groups that will never truly benefit you.

It's all about the size and scope of your ideals. Obviously fighting for something as retarded as muh white or muh ethnostate is retarded.

But fighting for the well being of your family and community makes sense.

By focusing solely on myself, I can see more clearly

Are you enlightened?

 

[Shart Attack]

What do you plan to do with your life using this so-called true freedom of yours that you couldn't have done before your big epiphany?

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Why are you using the forum as your personal blog, nigga?

 

[not william stenchever]

What do you plan to do with your life using this so-called true freedom of yours that you couldn't have done before your big epiphany?

Fardd and shidd all over the place because he has become unbound.

 

[Joe Swanson]

I refuse to be a pawn

You're already a pawn to your most carnal desires, you've made that clear in many posts

Also

When I was 13, I was watching ben shapiro and watching conservatives. Then I found destiny’s debates, and my worldview was shattered.

Lmao

 

[Brightstar777]

Free will is an illusion

 

[mindlessobserver]

When you speak of 'honoring ancestors' and racial hate as some inherent truth, you expose yourself as a slave to the past a past built on primitive fears and blind loyalty to systems that no longer serves you

A statement which ignores why such systems were created in the first place. It's old adage about a earthen wall that runs through a farmers field. Well one day, the young farmers wife tells him she hates the wall as it's blocking the view of the river. She demands he levels it. So he does. The next spring was the wettest in hundreds of years and that distant river flooded completely. Turns out it had done this 200 years ago, so the farmers great great grandfather built that earthen barrier to protect the farm house in case it happened again. But the current farmer didn't know. So his house was destroyed and he and wife drowned.

We take systems and traditions for granted because they have always been there. You claim it's liberating that you have chosen to reject outmoded concepts of thinking. Which is a conceit born of Liberal thinking that imposes the wants and beliefs of the individual at the center of the universe. This is predicated on a fundamental lie though. The individual is not the center of the universe. Your beliefs and desires matter not one bit if they are not approved by the society around you and nature itself. Try and walk down a street in Karachi alone and tell me your race and skin color don't matter. Or tell the farmer and his wife who drowned how much nature cared for their immediate desires.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Then I found destiny’s debates, and my worldview was shattered

you're a retard if that methed out coomer shattered your worldview with his babble, this reads like a /r/im14andthisisverydeep screedo