Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

If you haven't got anything nice to say..
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AfghanBlue said:
If you haven't got anything nice to say..
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I'm apparently a masochist as I've now decided to watch this. They really went all out on making a BTS - there's lots of lingering "artsy" shots of the production over a piece of slow jazz piano, and it opens with Ollie having a narc high getting his makeup done.
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Cut to Ollie as a talking head
I was interested in this idea of vampirism as a metaphor for emotional abuse, and this idea that I had in my head, that I read somewhere that people who are abused are likely to go on to abuse others... and I thought oh, that's like the classic myth of vampirism where you get bitten and rise again and you become this thing that preys on others.
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Not even more likely, but "likely to". I hate that little factoid but it's amusing that he's referencing this as if it's not repeated in every single pop psych article ever. He then acknowledges that he had nothing lined up after House Of The Dragon and so Morgana encouraged him to write - and sure enough, this idea was originally going to be a series about a vampire who goes to therapy to try and become human again. Then Morgana talks about the character of Fay and Fay's motivations and character journey... and then incredibly, they actually get Brandon Rogers to talk through his character too!
My name is Brandon Rogers and I play Alexander, the best waiter in town! Well Alexander works here - I imagine his life isn't too exciting. He has an extreme attraction toward people who look like Abbie Thorn, and when she arrives here he's absolutely smitten, but he doesn't realise that she's not quite mortal. (...) He's sort of the comic relief, or has comic relief elements, and at this point in my life, I sort of get thrown into roles that sort of happen to have comic relief elements... and so any time I get to be a little bit goofy, it's always fun, I like to think "Oh they thought of me when they wrote that line". I don't think I deviated from the script at all, it's word for word, but he seems like someone who's right up my alley. This character does not feel like a big departure from who I am, other than he's straight!
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Real bottom of the barrel stuff. I get the impression he just had to say anything to fill time and he did a good performance of his character, "actor who is enjoying filming a BTS".

Ollie then explains he wanted to challenge himself with the character of Belladonna because he "usually plays characters with a lot of inner sweetness to them" and wanted to play someone different (remember this was directly after he played an insane pirate with a harem) and then he talks through his acting process about how you can't act with judgement so he really got inside the characters head. Morgana than says the project emerged because he and Ollie were frustrated with not getting any interesting roles, and then retells the same story about encouraging Ollie to write a script. Then there's a lot of waffling about the creative process and they seem to think the three of them working on something together was overdue. Ollie also explains he was originally going to play Fay (who he views as the lead) but found himself enjoying imagining acting out scenes as Belladonna, so they swapped roles.

Valentina Vee then introduces herself as the director and cinematographer. Apparently her first question after she read the script was "Why is this not a play? Why does this have to be filmed?". Ollie basically gave her full creative control of the direction, staging, lighting design etc. He then delivers a cringe fake sincere explanation of how he's written a play in iambic pentameter, but he struggles to find the words to express his gratitude towards Valentina's hard work and professionalism because "when you write something you put a piece of your soul into it".
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If I say what I would like to say, I would ruin the lovely makeup that Danny has done for me, because I really... yeah I don't have the words to say.
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Ollie does not do a good performance of his character, "writer who is on the verge of tears". You'll also notice all the people in the background - I actually think they got some stagehands to constantly walk around looking busy to sell the idea of "shot between takes on a working set".

Anyway then Brandon Rogers talks about how interesting it was to be on set and be able to just focus on acting instead of also directing like he does with his skits, and gushes about Valentina's entire approach. Valentina acknowledges working with content creators is interesting because they're not used to being on a large set with multiple industry professionals with defined roles. Ollie blathers on about how he wanted to create something with a bigger budget that went further than The Prince did, and how he wanted to step into the role of Executive Producer (this gets said while they're showing the actual producer on screen, with a caption saying as much). Then the rest of the BTS is just about how great Nebula is. Total runtime is comparable to the "movie" they were talking about. Dire.
 
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He has an extreme attraction toward people who look like Abbie Thorn, and when she arrives here he's absolutely smitten, but he doesn't realise that she's not quite mortal.
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This is absolutely hilarious phrasing by Brandon. He's not saying Ollie is attractive, just that his character is a tranny chaser for whatever reason. That's it, that's how he motivates his characters actions.
 
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AssignedEva said:
Ollie then explains he wanted to challenge himself with the character of Belladonna because he "usually plays characters with a lot of inner sweetness to them" and wanted to play someone different
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Since fucking when??!!

Can you characterize any of his professional or YouTube roles as having an inner sweetness to them?
 
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Imperial Citizen said:
Can you characterize any of his professional or YouTube roles as having an inner sweetness to them?
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I guess Choob means that the main thing in common between his characters in Ladhood, Django, The Acolyte and in some capacity HOTD is a certain mousiness in service of other characters. And yeah, DEX makes his previous performances look better in comparison.
 
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Imperial Citizen said:
Since fucking when??!!

Can you characterize any of his professional or YouTube roles as having an inner sweetness to them?
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He makes a big song and dance about his process, so although it doesn't come through in his acting, he was likely imagining the characters as having hidden depths. His role in the Acolyte is the one he insisted was a sweet, loving person despite being on the Dark Side. Same sort of deal with his character in Django. The pirate... I guess from the last couple of scenes he's supposed to be suggesting some inner vulnerability or something, when he simpered next to Jefferson Hall looking out at sea.

The Prince obvious ends up being trans and vulnerable, and his other roles - Ilona in Ladhood and the journalist who asks awkward questions to Steve Coogan in Chivalry - are too small to be of note. Although I'm sure he was trying to play them with complex backstory because he wheeled out his bad American accent for that journo.

Thing is though, Belladonna is being played exactly the same way. In theory a character who's in deep with an abusive relationship and is trying to embrace being a shitty person. Seemingly she only met up with Fay (who she views as a bit of a rival) to deliver a book from Dracula designed to further humiliate her (and also winds her up by bragging about all the sexy sex she's having). So any invasive questions about her situation would be met with flippancy or anger, because that character has a front up and is quite jaded/cynical. Which is sort of how it's shittily written... except Bella does open up about her situation and becomes quite sad, pensive and vulnerable over the course of one dinner conversation with someone she feels threatened by;


This is obviously Ollie's attempt at creating a complex character but it's just very inconsistent characterisation. But it's the same sort of thing he does with a lot of his characters - gets quiet, tries to look like he's on the verge of tears etc. So I don't think he can really argue Bella doesn't have "inner sweetness" because he's doing the same acting, and she's supposed to be a victim in all of this who's starting to break out (and Ollie claimed he "put a lot of (himself") into the character). It just doesn't make any sort of sense especially in the limited context of the short. It might have made a little more sense if the lines had been delivered in a dismissive way that suggests the character is upset and downplaying it, or is in denial about the severity of Dracula's actions, but instead we get this "vulnerability" followed directly by hamming it up again.
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Maybe Fey was more in focus in the original pitch of an entire series.
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Yeah the original plot was a series where Fay goes to a therapist to try and become human again, but Ollie realised the therapist character wasn't very interesting because the dialogue was basically "and how do you feel about this, Main Character?". And so it turned into Fay being a sort of therapist to Belladonna.
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I sincerely hope Brandon Rogers got a fat check for going through all this bullshit, because he's a legitimately talented comedian and I have no idea why he's slumming it with rank amateurs like Choob.
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I get the impression he and Morgana are friends, and then Morgana is friends with Ollie. It's the only way his comments about working on a project together being "long overdue" or "inevitable" makes sense because this is genuinely the second thing Ollie's ever written and had made, and the first was a quasi-Shakespeare play which is entirely outside of Brandon Rogers's wheelhouse. Morgana also alludes to having helped with writing DEX but is not credited as such.
 
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AfghanBlue said:
Also lol I wonder what they mean with the silence of the lambs reference.
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At the end of the film the escaped Dr. Lecter says over the phone that he'll be, "Having an old friend for dinner". There is a similar "funny/creepy 'cause the audience knows you literally eat people" quip in Olly's contender for Most Recent Short Fetish Film award at the Nebulas, but I fail to recall the exact quote.

Is it a conscious homage or just another lazy pop culture artefact that is old enough (33 years) to have become both cliché AND forgotten? It's AHRT darling, you decide!
 
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FuckMeGentlyWithAChainsaw said:
I think this has not been posted yet, in any case I can't find it in the search.
from the The Mary Sue channel:

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"Mangana" doesn't even attempt to sound like a woman lol. I wonder if these retarded MEN genuinely think that they pass on any level. SILENCE TRANNYS, YOU SHOULD BOTH KILL YOURSELVES and it would make the world a better place
 
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