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Ponderous Pillock said:
I'm not particularly in the mood for a war with Russia either. I highly doubt anyone is.
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No one wins when you fight an actual super power. There's really only two now, between the US and Russia. China projects like one, but simply lacks the logistical output, strategic resources and metallurgical capabilities to be one. The UK and Germany could if they really decided they wanted to if it weren't for terrible politics at home leading them to be horribly neutered in their defense depts. France's military is seriously capable and professional but they don't have the manufacturing ability to supply it without the US providing fuel and ammunition (Libya proved this by NATO sans US & Poland running out of bombs after 5 days). Poland could theoretically be a power as well with the recent developments there, but they're in the same boat as France and to and extent, China.

Even Russia suffers though as most intelligence analysts in the Russia circles claim that a miracle would have to be achieved for the Russians to sustain more than 30% of her military to be active in combat at one time, as they lack the ability to produce modern munitions, medical supplies and food in the numbers it would take to make them be able to sustain an offensive against NATO, China or India for more than 2 weeks before soldiers start starving. But Russia could make them awfully fuckin miserable in those few weeks for sure
 
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TiggerNits said:
No one wins when you fight an actual super power. There's really only two now, between the US and Russia. China projects like one, but simply lacks the logistical output, strategic resources and metallurgical capabilities to be one. The UK and Germany could if they really decided they wanted to if it weren't for terrible politics at home leading them to be horribly neutered in their defense depts. France's military is seriously capable and professional but they don't have the manufacturing ability to supply it without the US providing fuel and ammunition (Libya proved this by NATO sans US & Poland running out of bombs after 5 days). Poland could theoretically be a power as well with the recent developments there, but they're in the same boat as France and to and extent, China.
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Yeah, I remember the speech where Dr Liam Fox gave when he was defence minister, the amount we spend on maintaining UK debt (about £40bn a year, then, £30bn now).

The "shopping list" he gave was mind boggling for the course of the single parliament. It included another 6 aircraft carriers and the planes on them, another 2 dozen Type 45's to defend them, enough frigates to defend the destroyers, rebuild the UK tank force, and boost the army by another 100,000 men. This was before you took into account that more orders = cheaper contractsInstead it was being wasted on maintaining the debt.

In comparison, the USA spends a staggering £176 billion every year maintaining the debt as it stands. Even if they only recover some of that, that is money being burnt on just debt maintenance. Something you hope Trump'd sort out so these salty libtards can have some more cool shit.
 
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Trump claims illegal immigrants are voting in U.S elections ~ Ha! what a stupid evil ridiculous bigot, that's just a conspiracy theory with no merit!

Hillary claims the Russians helped Trump win with controlled document leaks ~ absolutely! It doesn't matter if there's no evidence, in fact lets drop cluster bombs on innocent civilians for the crime of hurting our feelings!
 
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Dynastia said:
by my count russia has wrecked the absolute shit out of no less than seven superpowers throughout their history, wrecked them so hard that not only did they never recover but people today would outright laugh at the mere idea of them ever being considered superpowers

but i'm sure absolutely nothing will go wrong this time
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That was mostly idiots invading them or fighting them on land.

They've fared considerably less well in their own foreign adventures, such as in Afghanistan. Also the Japanese handed them their ass in the Russo-Japanese War.

And as far as us, I think the Cold War ended pretty favorably for us under Reagan, with the USSR outright ceasing to exist shortly afterwards.

There's a lot of ground between outright nuclear war and kneeling and fucking deep throating Putin.
 
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If someone admits they were wrong about Trump, don't be a dick about it.


As Trump continues to say and do crazier shit, I've seen glimmers of hope in the form of formally staunch supporters starting to scratch their heads. If you see this happening, be deliberate about avoiding any kind of "I told you so" response. It's counter productive and serves no purpose other than to make you feel good in the moment.

Instead, work to understand their perspective and offer to share yours. Trump is potentially at a tipping point but the only thing smug attitudes are going to cause is for it to tip in his favor, again. You may be surprised by how many perfectly rational people had their reasons for voting for him. Shaming them does no good. Instead seek to understand their perspective and welcome them into the fold.

EDIT - I'd like to be clear that I am NOT advocating for compromising on issues. I'm advocating for being a decent human-being while discussing them... both because it's the right thing to do and because it will work much better. For everyone saying my post goes against what this sub stands for, I chose this sub because I thought it would send a more powerful message coming from this place.

In my opinion you have a choice of priorities:
A.) Do the easy thing. Prioritize being "right" and getting to say "I told you so" and "getting justice". Do the thing that feels good in the moment and in doing so further entrench the person you are speaking with into their beliefs.

or

B.) Do the hard thing. Swallow the urge to lord it over people, and speak to them like human beings. Cultivate their willingness to consider another perspective with respectful conversation and help to unify and build the coalition.

I'm not saying it's going to work every time. I'm saying that if your priority is wanting what is best for the country you should be willing to do this regardless, even if it's the "less satisfying" option. And it would send a great message if this sub were willing to get on board.
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AnOminous said:
That was mostly idiots invading them or fighting them on land.

They've fared considerably less well in their own foreign adventures, such as in Afghanistan. Also the Japanese handed them their ass in the Russo-Japanese War.

And as far as us, I think the Cold War ended pretty favorably for us under Reagan, with the USSR outright ceasing to exist shortly afterwards.

There's a lot of ground between outright nuclear war and kneeling and fucking deep throating Putin.
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There was also the time they got beaten by pretty much one guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä
 
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AnOminous said:
There's a lot of ground between outright nuclear war and kneeling and fucking deep throating Putin.
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Well I guess you could try economic sanctions, a cyberwarfare campaign, and fostering multiple undemocratic coups in nations like Ukraine and Syria just to dick with them and hope they don't retaliate by appointing an orange reality tv clown as your Commander in Chief....
 
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captkrisma said:
Oh...you're upset about a foreign country interfering with your election? Tell me again what the CIA has done to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan...
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*takes another breathe* Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Columbia, Mexico, Cuba, France, Guiana, Ghana, South Africa, the UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, Somalia, Finland, Russia and a few more
 
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I'm pretty sure if you look at it hard enough, past US elections had an outcome that was suspect. 1876 was definitely 'rigged' in the sense that they just gave Hayes the Presidency in exchange for ending Reconstruction in the South. Warren B. Harding was picked by a bunch of party elites behind closed doors, Nixon suspected as much in 1960 with the very close race between him and JFK (but he didn't try to look into because he figured it'd be better if the country came together afterwards) and in 1824 J. Q. Adams just worked out a deal with Henry Clay. That last one is pertinent to today because Andrew Jackson felt cheated in that election, and vowed revenge. 4 years later, he crushed him and we got our first populist President that was so out there he makes Trump look like nothing.
 
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Unseemly and Feral said:
I'm pretty sure if you look at it hard enough, past US elections had an outcome that was suspect. 1876 was definitely 'rigged' in the sense that they just gave Hayes the Presidency in exchange for ending Reconstruction in the South. Warren B. Harding was picked by a bunch of party elites behind closed doors, Nixon suspected as much in 1960 with the very close race between him and JFK (but he didn't try to look into because he figured it'd be better if the country came together afterwards) and in 1824 J. Q. Adams just worked out a deal with Henry Clay. That last one is pertinent to today because Andrew Jackson felt cheated in that election, and vowed revenge. 4 years later, he crushed him and we got our first populist President that was so out there he makes Trump look like nothing.
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Moreover, Andrew Jackson's election gave people of colour (namely Native Americans) reason to be literally shaking what with manifest destiny and all that.
 
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captkrisma said:
Oh...you're upset about a foreign country interfering with your election? Tell me again what the CIA has done to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan...
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Where is Willy Wonka pic to go with this meme? :c

Ginger Piglet said:
Moreover, Andrew Jackson's election gave people of colour (namely Native Americans) reason to be literally shaking what with manifest destiny and all that.
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And if the elites of that time hadn't been so keen on keeping AJ out maybe the outcome of the Trail of Tears could have been averted. One of those situations where trying to clamp down on a problem instead of addressing it only made it grow bigger and get worse.
 
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