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The Work From Home Free-for-All Is Coming to an End
Amazon’s CEO just called everyone back to the office full time. If you thought your two days a week at home were safe, think again.

By Vanessa Fuhrmans, Katherine Bindley and Chip Cutter
Sept. 20, 2024 9:00 pm ET

Amazon Chief Executive Andy Jassy set CEOs abuzz with envy—and white-collar workers with fear—this week with a surprise memo calling corporate staffers back to the office full time.

Now, long after hybrid work seemed a settled matter at many companies, suddenly both sides are wondering: Who’s next?

At a party in Seattle Tuesday evening, shortly after Jassy went public with his plan, his return-to-office rally cry was a hot topic among executives in attendance.

“It was the talk of the town,” says Glenn Kelman, CEO of Seattle-based real-estate brokerage Redfin, who was there.

Until Jassy’s memo, 4½ years after the Covid-19 pandemic sent everyone home, bosses and employees had largely reached a truce on part-time remote work. Many company leaders looked out at their substantially empty offices in quiet exasperation. But they feared that forcing their employees to come to the office more often could send top performers fleeing for more flexible work setups elsewhere. The handful of companies that have returned to full-time, in-person work, including United Parcel Service and Goldman Sachs, have been outliers. The number of firms requiring five days in the office has actually fallen by 15% from a year ago, according to data from Flex Index, which tracks the work policies of more than 6,300 companies.

But a tougher labor market, especially for white-collar professionals, is now changing the calculus. With jobs harder to find and more companies willing to cut them, the balance of power is shifting from workers to bosses. Many of those bosses still worry that productivity and innovation suffer when people aren’t together in an office. With Jassy laying down the law at Amazon, some executives predict more full-time office mandates will now follow.

In a KPMG survey of 400 U.S. CEOs released this week, nearly 80% said that they expected corporate employees to be in offices full time within the next three years. That’s more than double the 34% who said so in April.

Kelman said other CEOs will be watching Amazon for two things: Will Amazon bleed workers? Or will this give it a competitive edge?

“There’s one world in which Amazon loses talent—it doesn’t become an employer of choice,” says Kelman. “And there’s another world where Amazon is able to innovate faster, is able to resolve snafus more quickly.”

Redfin employees—currently expected to be in the office two days a week—have already queried Kelman about whether he’ll follow suit, he says. Though he has no plans to require more days, he says, hybrid work is harder than everyone thought it would be.

“It’s working,” he says. “But it’s hard just as a physical fact to pay for an office that is mostly empty.”
A layoff without layoffs

In his note to Amazon workers announcing the change, Jassy said that the new policy will help both the company and its employees.

“We’ve observed that it’s easier for our teammates to learn, model, practice, and strengthen our culture,” he wrote about office work. “[C]ollaborating, brainstorming, and inventing are simpler and more effective; teaching and learning from one another are more seamless; and, teams tend to be better connected to one another.”

Some current and former Amazon employees suspect that Jassy isn’t just interested in more collaboration and connection. They blasted Jassy’s memo as being tantamount to a layoff announcement for workers who will be alienated by the new policy.

“The fact he didn’t use the word ‘layoffs’ doesn’t change the meaning of the lengthy email he sent to company employees explaining a fresh round of flagrantly unpopular and alienating policy changes,” wrote Tony Carr, a former Amazon general manager who left the company late last year, on LinkedIn.

An Amazon spokesman said any inferences about motive beyond what Jassy laid out in his memo are inaccurate. Amazon doesn’t plan to reduce overall headcount as part of its new policy, he added.

Jassy said in his memo that the company understands that some workers will need to make adjustments to their personal lives to accommodate working in the office five days a week, which was why the new policy wouldn’t go into effect until Jan. 2.

Other return-to-office orders have sparked worker exoduses. Nearly half the staffers at Grindr resigned last fall after the dating app shifted from a “remote-first” policy to requiring office attendance twice a week, according to the Communications Workers of America. Some Farmers Group employees quit last year after the insurer said the majority of Farmers employees should be in the office three days a week. A few months later, Farmers cut 2,400 jobs, or 11% of its workforce.

The problem for bosses, though, is that it’s often high-performing employees who leave, since they have the best odds of getting hired elsewhere, says Stanford University economist Nicholas Bloom. “Managers are very happy to tell underperformers, ‘You gotta come in or you’re out of here,” he adds. With more coveted employees, “they often just don’t want to enforce it, because it impacts their own bonus from promotions.”

CJ Felli, a 29-year-old systems-development engineer with Amazon, added an “Open to Work” banner to his LinkedIn profile not long after Amazon made its announcement. He’s hunting for a new job and says the company’s new policy was a tipping point.

Felli lives only 15 minutes from his office in Seattle and doesn’t mind going in three days a week as the company has been requiring since last year; lately he’s been going in almost every day. He’s a huge fan of Amazon’s culture and says getting a job there was the proudest moment of his life. But he fears as a result of the new policy that the company will lose a lot of its midlevel talent, especially parents and those who have long commutes.

“We are not going to be able to flourish and survive long term if we’re just an entry-level college shop,” he says.

Pavi Theva, 30, was working as a product manager for Amazon’s customer service technology team in Austin last year when Amazon began cracking down on its three-day-a-week mandate for office attendance. After twice going to the office two days in a week instead of three, Theva’s manager had a conversation with her about how if it continued to happen, it could come up in her performance review.

Theva says she enjoyed going into an office before the pandemic. But afterward, her days in the office often didn’t make sense. “No one else from my team was working from Austin but I was still asked to go into the office and sit by myself,” says Theva, who left Amazon in February to start her own leadership and career coaching business.

Employees are more likely to understand the company’s culture and become a part of it if they’re with other Amazonians in person, even if those people aren’t on their team, according to a company spokesperson.
Reversing remote work

It’s hard to overstate how much remote and hybrid work have reshaped the postpandemic labor market. It has enabled moves to lower-cost areas, let working parents better coordinate child care and brought millions of people into the workforce—including those with disabilities. And it made it easier for mothers of young children to stay on the job, helping drive a sharp increase in the number of women working.

Tech-industry workers especially took advantage of the ability to work remotely, flocking from high-cost coast cities to cheaper locales such as Salt Lake City, Utah, and Boise, Idaho. High in demand, many commanded the same pay they made in San Francisco and Seattle. “Work from anywhere” became a favorite recruiting tactic, with some workers being told they’d never need to come back to the office.

Remote work also fueled a digital commerce boom that let online retail giants like Amazon reap record profits, and hire hundreds of thousands of people, many in far-flung places. Over 2020 and 2021, Amazon’s head count roughly doubled to more than 1.6 million employees. Then the company laid off 27,000 workers starting in late 2022.

The once red-hot demand for tech talent has been cooling as the industry adjusts its labor needs and shifts resources into artificial intelligence. Postings for software development jobs are down more than 30% since February 2020, according to Indeed.com. And industry layoffs that began in late 2022 have continued this year: Tech companies have shed around 137,000 jobs since January, according to Layoffs.fyi.

Returning to the office five days a week may prove too difficult for many companies. All of that remote pandemic hiring means many companies’ workforces are far more scattered than before. Nearly a third of workers at large firms last year didn’t work in the same metro area as their managers, up from about 23% in February 2020, according to data from payroll provider ADP.

“For us, and for many CEOs at this time, bringing everyone back fully would be so disruptive—not just to the company, but to employees’ lives as well,” said David Ko, CEO of Calm, a mental-health app. Calm shifted to remote work at the pandemic’s onset in 2020. Nearby staff now typically come into one of its six office hubs anywhere from one to five days a week, depending on the role, and the company periodically brings some teams together for two- to three-day collaboration sprints on specific projects.

Will companies succeed in coaxing remote workers back into offices? The answer likely hinges on hiring demand. Economists David Autor, Arindrajit Dube and Annie McGrew have found that the share of people working from home was significantly higher in states with tight labor markets during the 2021 to 2023 period than states with looser markets.

For now, bosses are likely to get more questions from their workers wondering if they need to get ready to be in the office more often.

In a meeting with Intuit’s New York office this week, employees pressed CEO Sasan Goodarzi to address Amazon’s move, and to clarify whether the company would change its own policy. The maker of TurboTax software generally asks employees to show up in person at least two days a week.

Goodarzi told them he’d like them to come to the office a bit more—say, three days a week—but didn’t call for a full in-office return. He has told employees before that he believes the current ways of working could still evolve, based on what Intuit needs.

In an interview afterward, he said that employee surveys and badge-tracking data show Intuit’s most engaged staffers typically come in three to four days. Those who are there one day, or less, tend to be weaker performers.

“There’s a massive experiment going on,” said Goodarzi of corporate work arrangements. “I think it’s important that we remain curious as to what’s the optimal answer.”

Justin Lahart contributed to this article.

Write to Vanessa Fuhrmans at Vanessa.Fuhrmans@wsj.com, Katherine Bindley at katie.bindley@wsj.com and Chip Cutter at chip.cutter@wsj.com

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Why do you have to get people to come into the office to do this? Just map out what they actually do and fire the ones that don't do anything. That's what a manager or head is meant to do.
It is easier if you can see them in irl and also if you push them to perform on the spot.
Working from home is too much "and then I had really important meetings with secret department, and then I invented the flux capacitor".
If you can watch them irl, especially in interactions with other engineers and design meetings it becomes a lot harder for them to "I missed the meeting because President Obama wanted me to test the new time travel-portal"

You can hide your incompetence a lot better behind a zoom call that when you are in person in front of the brainstorming whiteboard.

And also, as someone that has worked mostly remove for the last 20+ years. It requres an enormous amount of discipline to work remotely. And it is VERY hard because you lose so many of the enormously important face to face meetings in front of a whiteboard.
You would be surprised of how many of the billion dollar ideas were hashed out informally and ad-hoc in front of a whiteboard compared to something like a ITU-T standard.
 
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It also means a really quick way to identify the low performers and to get rid of say 25-30% of the workforce that do no meaningful work or benefit to the company.

Why do you have to get people to come into the office to do this? Just map out what they actually do and fire the ones that don't do anything. That's what a manager or head is meant to do.

Exactly? Why does someone need to be in the office to determine this ? Are they not meeting deadlines? Are they not finishing deliverables when you ask ?

Also lots of office jobs are not equal amounts of work to do at all times. It isnt an assembly line making something. My job ebbs & flows since it's project based. I work late & weekends when needed. When I'm in a gap between major projects, what's the point of me sitting in the office to do very little ?
 
Why do you have to get people to come into the office to do this? Just map out what they actually do and fire the ones that don't do anything. That's what a manager or head is meant to do.

Having worked in an office where people got to work from home, I can say that it creates an environment where it really is unfair to the people actually there. Not being able to transfer calls, even if they were the ones to specifically set and up and handle those incoming calls; not being there to take calls and instead do some vague task that wouldn't take all day, and so forth.

I unfortunately lost my job at that location but I remember my bosses warning me that I would likely be denied WFH solely on the fact that they couldn't find work for me to do at home.

If I recall correctly, though, I wouldn't have been able to even use my normal computer because of reasons; if they make you use their own equipment for "security reasons" or enact some even more ridiculous requirement that makes you do the heavy lifting (one job that I applied to and was supposed to have a WFH feature expected you to have a separate room with a door that closed and no access to any writing utensil—I lived in a one-bedroom apartment, where was I supposed to work, in the bathroom?) then it's pointless.
 
Why do you have to get people to come into the office to do this? Just map out what they actually do and fire the ones that don't do anything. That's what a manager or head is meant to do.

For me? It's maintaining the master/servant relationship and ensuring maximum productivity.

Not all workers are equal, some have capacity to do more than others and especially when you become a manager of a field that isn't your own it does become harder to know the intricacies like how long something actually takes for certain.

When someone is in the office, I can see what they're doing. Their time has been purchased. Even if that time is used sat at a screen, I shall dictate how you spend that time. If I don't want you doing household chores during that time, you are not doing household chores. If I so choose to use that time to make you stare at a wall, that is my perogative because I/the company has bought it. I'm more tolerant of freelancers because their pay reflects their freedom to choose how/when to produce, but an employee does not and can be directed at whim.

But in practical terms. Sure, you can reach 100% productivity at home for the targets I set. There are some employees even at full throttle I only get 90-95% from. They might not be very good but can't easily be replaced, they might be DEI, they are less experienced. There's a number of reasons why a smaller output might be tolerated.

There are employees I've managed I can get 120-140% out of, provided I check in frequently, hover and make sure the project in trays line up to match the pace.

You can work from home, but I do see a difference in culture from someone in a suit in a professional setting and someone who crawls out of bed five minutes before the day starts.

There is some truth to team dynamic too. The pizza parties and water cooler moments stuff is horseshit, but teams who sit next to and chat as they work do get along better than isolated people across the country who only speak on video conferencing software when required. They upskill each other and improve quality in ways remote working cannot as easily.

But yeah. Cope. Seethe. Dilate.
 
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You can work from home, but I do see a difference in culture from someone in a suit in a professional setting and someone who crawls out of bed five minutes before the day starts.\
The person who crawls out of bed five minutes before work realizes (correctly) that giving 110 percent will result in him getting a wage that barely pays the rent on the cardboard box he lives in and his boss getting a third house. Tell me why the average wagie should burn themselves out for corporations who'd happily have them run over if they were allowed to take insurance policies out on their employees?

The benefits of increased productivity haven't trickled down to the average worker. People won't engage in a system they don't benefit from, especially as inflation robs them of their money and assets in real time, and foreign scab workers rob their labor of its value. Working from home was the only bone that corporations could throw their workers, and now they want to take it back, lest the peasants get too uppity. Let them try.
 
Between this and AI I might have hope that the trend of white collar faggots moving out of the city and driving the prices of everything in my my little rural area up could end. It would be really nice to see all these assholes get foreclosed on and have to go back to the city to find a building tall enough to jump off of.
 
Many of those bosses still worry that productivity and innovation suffer when people aren’t together in an office.
Then they are either incredibly stupid or they are lying. - Stupid if they really believe that productivity and innovation come from offices of mid-level managers and cubicle drones, or lying because their real motivation is to have their salary slaves where they can see them at all times.
 
There is some truth to team dynamic too. The pizza parties and water cooler moments stuff is horseshit, but teams who sit next to and chat as they work do get along better than isolated people across the country who only speak on video conferencing software when required. They upskill each other and improve quality in ways remote working cannot as easily.
Thats why you have your team kill a hooker. they will never leave and push each other to be loyal.
a Hooker is also cheaper than a pizza party,
 
I worked from home during covid and I won't pretend like I wasn't a little bit less productive(The workaholics were more productive though) but the trade of was they got to call me to help with shit whenever the fuck, get me to work weird hours, not pay for my computer at least though other people got laptops, not pay for furniture or an office + cleaning, power, phone maintenance bla bla. And no one ever took sick days unless they were hospitalized

So even if everyone is somehow like 25% less productive which I doubt and you have to hire one or two extra people it probably is still cheaper than all that shit. I bet these shit bag companies are going to try to get their cake an eat it too by still expecting their employees to be able to hop on and work remotely at a moments notice during all hours of the day.
This.

Work-from-home is actually work-at-home.

As long as you're at home? You'll be working.....

Sounds great to start with.

No commute

No dress code

No theft of lunches


But then, when you think about it....


No end to office hours.
 
In a meeting with Intuit’s New York office this week, employees pressed CEO Sasan Goodarzi to address Amazon’s move, and to clarify whether the company would change its own policy. The maker of TurboTax software generally asks employees to show up in person at least two days a week.
Why does a company like Intuit even need an office in NY City? They mostly make accounting for small businesses and tax return software. The most popular version of QuickBooks is now only available on-line, no more direct installs on PCs. The overhead must be ridiculous, and for what? Probably the most brutal, ridiculous commute through the Chimp Preserve that is NYC these days? Is there so much can't miss programming talent in Greenwich Village these days?
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The only reason I could think they might want an office there is they're trying to make a product for larger businesses (sales > $50 million a year) where even the Enterprise version of QuickBooks isn't really appropriate.
 
If we were to look back at work methods over the years, there have always been times of mass change that have taken some getting used to and the COVID 19 lockdown artificially accelerated the "work from home" discussion and left a lot of businesses floundering about to find their "correct" approach.

However, a lot of the roles were shoehorned into WFH that didn't really work, from practical or logistical reasons, but I accept that it was better to try "something" than do nothing.
It's not unreasonable for companies to expect those roles to revert back to what they used to be.

I worked from a home office before lockdown, because my role and working style is suited to that.
My own experience is that I'm far more productive because I don't have people wandering up to my desk with "just a quick question" which magically transforms into a meeting (or three) with an ever expanding scope and audience.
 
I hope this encourages more people in the laptop class to be contractors and consultants.
When a nation gets poorer, more and more people become entrepreneurs who have their own small time hustle.
one job that I applied to and was supposed to have a WFH feature expected you to have a separate room with a door that closed and no access to any writing utensil—I lived in a one-bedroom apartment, where was I supposed to work, in the bathroom?) then it's pointless.
They want you hanging from the bathroom.
Tell me why the average wagie should burn themselves out for corporations who'd happily have them run over if they were allowed to take insurance policies out on their employees?
Those life insurance premiums aren’t deductible expenses on the corporate tax return unless certain confirmations are met.

Basic conditions are…
1) employee is essential for the business and can’t easily be replaced, so typically C Suite

2) life insurance on the person is typically required as one of the major loan covenants. As a form of collateral to the lender (again basically only the CEO of a small to medium sized enterprise)
That would be worth for a meme featuring the Third World Skeptical kid: "Amazon don't want you to work at home, but they're ok then someone could work for them from India?".
Lol yeah they want to dry up the pipeline of entry level office / accounting work for Whites while making the Seniors and Managers spend more time fixing the Jeets and Nigerians mistakes
 
Why does a company like Intuit even need an office in NY City? They mostly make accounting for small businesses and tax return software. The most popular version of QuickBooks is now only available on-line, no more direct installs on PCs. The overhead must be ridiculous, and for what?
Exactly. These companies that produce and sell an electronically distributed product have literally no need to herd the bulk of their employees into incredibly expensive offices. It's beyond stupid.
 
My own experience is that I'm far more productive because I don't have people wandering up to my desk with "just a quick question" which magically transforms into a meeting (or three) with an ever expanding scope and audience.
You have to be firm with those people. I got one of those Luxafor LED indicators and if it's red, you cannot disturb me. If someone tries to anyway with "just a quick question" I just tell them I'm currently focused on a task but I can come back to them later with an answer (unless it's c-suite, obviously). The trick is to only use it when you're actively concentrating on something, because if you leave it red most of the time (like someone who copied me did) then people learn to ignore it completely.
 
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