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The Work From Home Free-for-All Is Coming to an End
Amazon’s CEO just called everyone back to the office full time. If you thought your two days a week at home were safe, think again.

By Vanessa Fuhrmans, Katherine Bindley and Chip Cutter
Sept. 20, 2024 9:00 pm ET

Amazon Chief Executive Andy Jassy set CEOs abuzz with envy—and white-collar workers with fear—this week with a surprise memo calling corporate staffers back to the office full time.

Now, long after hybrid work seemed a settled matter at many companies, suddenly both sides are wondering: Who’s next?

At a party in Seattle Tuesday evening, shortly after Jassy went public with his plan, his return-to-office rally cry was a hot topic among executives in attendance.

“It was the talk of the town,” says Glenn Kelman, CEO of Seattle-based real-estate brokerage Redfin, who was there.

Until Jassy’s memo, 4½ years after the Covid-19 pandemic sent everyone home, bosses and employees had largely reached a truce on part-time remote work. Many company leaders looked out at their substantially empty offices in quiet exasperation. But they feared that forcing their employees to come to the office more often could send top performers fleeing for more flexible work setups elsewhere. The handful of companies that have returned to full-time, in-person work, including United Parcel Service and Goldman Sachs, have been outliers. The number of firms requiring five days in the office has actually fallen by 15% from a year ago, according to data from Flex Index, which tracks the work policies of more than 6,300 companies.

But a tougher labor market, especially for white-collar professionals, is now changing the calculus. With jobs harder to find and more companies willing to cut them, the balance of power is shifting from workers to bosses. Many of those bosses still worry that productivity and innovation suffer when people aren’t together in an office. With Jassy laying down the law at Amazon, some executives predict more full-time office mandates will now follow.

In a KPMG survey of 400 U.S. CEOs released this week, nearly 80% said that they expected corporate employees to be in offices full time within the next three years. That’s more than double the 34% who said so in April.

Kelman said other CEOs will be watching Amazon for two things: Will Amazon bleed workers? Or will this give it a competitive edge?

“There’s one world in which Amazon loses talent—it doesn’t become an employer of choice,” says Kelman. “And there’s another world where Amazon is able to innovate faster, is able to resolve snafus more quickly.”

Redfin employees—currently expected to be in the office two days a week—have already queried Kelman about whether he’ll follow suit, he says. Though he has no plans to require more days, he says, hybrid work is harder than everyone thought it would be.

“It’s working,” he says. “But it’s hard just as a physical fact to pay for an office that is mostly empty.”
A layoff without layoffs

In his note to Amazon workers announcing the change, Jassy said that the new policy will help both the company and its employees.

“We’ve observed that it’s easier for our teammates to learn, model, practice, and strengthen our culture,” he wrote about office work. “[C]ollaborating, brainstorming, and inventing are simpler and more effective; teaching and learning from one another are more seamless; and, teams tend to be better connected to one another.”

Some current and former Amazon employees suspect that Jassy isn’t just interested in more collaboration and connection. They blasted Jassy’s memo as being tantamount to a layoff announcement for workers who will be alienated by the new policy.

“The fact he didn’t use the word ‘layoffs’ doesn’t change the meaning of the lengthy email he sent to company employees explaining a fresh round of flagrantly unpopular and alienating policy changes,” wrote Tony Carr, a former Amazon general manager who left the company late last year, on LinkedIn.

An Amazon spokesman said any inferences about motive beyond what Jassy laid out in his memo are inaccurate. Amazon doesn’t plan to reduce overall headcount as part of its new policy, he added.

Jassy said in his memo that the company understands that some workers will need to make adjustments to their personal lives to accommodate working in the office five days a week, which was why the new policy wouldn’t go into effect until Jan. 2.

Other return-to-office orders have sparked worker exoduses. Nearly half the staffers at Grindr resigned last fall after the dating app shifted from a “remote-first” policy to requiring office attendance twice a week, according to the Communications Workers of America. Some Farmers Group employees quit last year after the insurer said the majority of Farmers employees should be in the office three days a week. A few months later, Farmers cut 2,400 jobs, or 11% of its workforce.

The problem for bosses, though, is that it’s often high-performing employees who leave, since they have the best odds of getting hired elsewhere, says Stanford University economist Nicholas Bloom. “Managers are very happy to tell underperformers, ‘You gotta come in or you’re out of here,” he adds. With more coveted employees, “they often just don’t want to enforce it, because it impacts their own bonus from promotions.”

CJ Felli, a 29-year-old systems-development engineer with Amazon, added an “Open to Work” banner to his LinkedIn profile not long after Amazon made its announcement. He’s hunting for a new job and says the company’s new policy was a tipping point.

Felli lives only 15 minutes from his office in Seattle and doesn’t mind going in three days a week as the company has been requiring since last year; lately he’s been going in almost every day. He’s a huge fan of Amazon’s culture and says getting a job there was the proudest moment of his life. But he fears as a result of the new policy that the company will lose a lot of its midlevel talent, especially parents and those who have long commutes.

“We are not going to be able to flourish and survive long term if we’re just an entry-level college shop,” he says.

Pavi Theva, 30, was working as a product manager for Amazon’s customer service technology team in Austin last year when Amazon began cracking down on its three-day-a-week mandate for office attendance. After twice going to the office two days in a week instead of three, Theva’s manager had a conversation with her about how if it continued to happen, it could come up in her performance review.

Theva says she enjoyed going into an office before the pandemic. But afterward, her days in the office often didn’t make sense. “No one else from my team was working from Austin but I was still asked to go into the office and sit by myself,” says Theva, who left Amazon in February to start her own leadership and career coaching business.

Employees are more likely to understand the company’s culture and become a part of it if they’re with other Amazonians in person, even if those people aren’t on their team, according to a company spokesperson.
Reversing remote work

It’s hard to overstate how much remote and hybrid work have reshaped the postpandemic labor market. It has enabled moves to lower-cost areas, let working parents better coordinate child care and brought millions of people into the workforce—including those with disabilities. And it made it easier for mothers of young children to stay on the job, helping drive a sharp increase in the number of women working.

Tech-industry workers especially took advantage of the ability to work remotely, flocking from high-cost coast cities to cheaper locales such as Salt Lake City, Utah, and Boise, Idaho. High in demand, many commanded the same pay they made in San Francisco and Seattle. “Work from anywhere” became a favorite recruiting tactic, with some workers being told they’d never need to come back to the office.

Remote work also fueled a digital commerce boom that let online retail giants like Amazon reap record profits, and hire hundreds of thousands of people, many in far-flung places. Over 2020 and 2021, Amazon’s head count roughly doubled to more than 1.6 million employees. Then the company laid off 27,000 workers starting in late 2022.

The once red-hot demand for tech talent has been cooling as the industry adjusts its labor needs and shifts resources into artificial intelligence. Postings for software development jobs are down more than 30% since February 2020, according to Indeed.com. And industry layoffs that began in late 2022 have continued this year: Tech companies have shed around 137,000 jobs since January, according to Layoffs.fyi.

Returning to the office five days a week may prove too difficult for many companies. All of that remote pandemic hiring means many companies’ workforces are far more scattered than before. Nearly a third of workers at large firms last year didn’t work in the same metro area as their managers, up from about 23% in February 2020, according to data from payroll provider ADP.

“For us, and for many CEOs at this time, bringing everyone back fully would be so disruptive—not just to the company, but to employees’ lives as well,” said David Ko, CEO of Calm, a mental-health app. Calm shifted to remote work at the pandemic’s onset in 2020. Nearby staff now typically come into one of its six office hubs anywhere from one to five days a week, depending on the role, and the company periodically brings some teams together for two- to three-day collaboration sprints on specific projects.

Will companies succeed in coaxing remote workers back into offices? The answer likely hinges on hiring demand. Economists David Autor, Arindrajit Dube and Annie McGrew have found that the share of people working from home was significantly higher in states with tight labor markets during the 2021 to 2023 period than states with looser markets.

For now, bosses are likely to get more questions from their workers wondering if they need to get ready to be in the office more often.

In a meeting with Intuit’s New York office this week, employees pressed CEO Sasan Goodarzi to address Amazon’s move, and to clarify whether the company would change its own policy. The maker of TurboTax software generally asks employees to show up in person at least two days a week.

Goodarzi told them he’d like them to come to the office a bit more—say, three days a week—but didn’t call for a full in-office return. He has told employees before that he believes the current ways of working could still evolve, based on what Intuit needs.

In an interview afterward, he said that employee surveys and badge-tracking data show Intuit’s most engaged staffers typically come in three to four days. Those who are there one day, or less, tend to be weaker performers.

“There’s a massive experiment going on,” said Goodarzi of corporate work arrangements. “I think it’s important that we remain curious as to what’s the optimal answer.”

Justin Lahart contributed to this article.

Write to Vanessa Fuhrmans at Vanessa.Fuhrmans@wsj.com, Katherine Bindley at katie.bindley@wsj.com and Chip Cutter at chip.cutter@wsj.com

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This is the trend with megacorporations run by globalist pedophiles, yes, but I am seeing and I expect to continue seeing small and medium sized companies coming up that prefer to stay entirely remote, and if we get out of this depression and they can start hiring again, that's where we'll see people want to go, and I'm all for it.

I can always tell I'm going to hear a dogshit opinion when I see the phrase "the laptop class".
The real issue here, as you said, is that:
  1. Managers are completely worthless, contribute nothing, actively deter real work from being done, and are not needed.
  2. Managers are aware of themselves as a class, or maybe a better word is clique or faction.
Anyone with an MBA is completely fucking worthless and will drive your company into the ground.
"Laptop class" is an easy way for these globalist-cock-sucking bullshit-sellers to conveniently confuse the people who do actual tech work with the managerial class. The typical developer of the "laptop class" is just a nerdy guy who wants to write his code, make the thing work, and be left the fuck alone. But then you have these absolutely worthless people who somehow always make up the bulk of all these megacorporations doing "management" work, which is boiled down to "go irritate someone who does actual work" and these are the "people" that the companies don't need. But surprise, surprise, executives are part of this managerial class, so they can't have themselves be tarnished as useless eaters, so they have their pet retards in "journalism" go off and call it the "laptop class" so they can more easily pass the blame off on people who do productive work.

See this diagram for more details.
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It depends what you do, but in general I dont think this is true. I base this opinion on the fact that a lot of people who do what I do do it from home mainly, and we’ve still never managed to outsource it to India because it just doesn’t work. They can’t do it. Even outsourcing the grunt stuff is unpopular and often backfires.
You know, I really hope they get the message this time. I remember how excited retards were to offshore to the subcontinent in the 2000's and how much of a mess that caused. I think the retards in management have to learn every 5-10 years or so why offshoring to shitholes failed the first time and why it's going to inevitably fail again for what should be obvious reasons. This is all ignoring why offshoring to shithole countries is awful for non-profit motivated reasons, too.
It's a constant fucking cycle of laying people off to offshore, having the foreigners fuck everything up to hell because you're not actually paying them directly, hiring American contractors to fix it, quietly hiring back Americans to do things properly, then forgetting it all and repeating the process.

If you want a real trip, you have to go read the comments section on WSJ for this. WSJ is only getting more aggravating to read as a I get older and more openly anti-any labor rights at all, but holy god the number of narcissistic boomers booming and declaring that everyone that doesn't work 80 hours a week in the salt mines is a useless waste of air is amazing. It's kind of amazing how deranged the comments get on there (and there's probably a lot of proto-lolcows that comment regularly).
Boomers: "Young people are so lazy, I can't believe they're such socialists! I will not live in the pod and eat the bugs!"
Also Boomers: "Why won't the young people work to pay for my Social Security! They spend so much money on themselves, why don't they just live in the pod and eat the bugs instead, no wonder they're always poor!"
 
If you want a real trip, you have to go read the comments section on WSJ for this. WSJ is only getting more aggravating to read as a I get older and more openly anti-any labor rights at all, but holy god the number of narcissistic boomers booming and declaring that everyone that doesn't work 80 hours a week in the salt mines is a useless waste of air is amazing. It's kind of amazing how deranged the comments get on there (and there's probably a lot of proto-lolcows that comment regularly).
There's also a HUGE amount of 50 cent army posters there too if you really pay attention to it. Honestly I think one day WSJ commenters will have their own cow thread here.
 
holy god the number of narcissistic boomers booming and declaring that everyone that doesn't work 80 hours a week in the salt mines is a useless waste of air is amazing.
It's not as aggravating when you realize it's a sad attempt to convince themselves that the health problems and wasted years of their life, caused by obsession with prodooocing and making the line go up, were worth it.
 
I can't imagine why Grindr employees need to show up to the office. I can't imagine what updates and improvements need to be made to the Grindr app that justifies multiple teams of workers. They're either being forced back to be driven to quit, or be raped, or both.
 
Why does a company like Intuit even need an office in NY City? They mostly make accounting for small businesses and tax return software. The most popular version of QuickBooks is now only available on-line, no more direct installs on PCs. The overhead must be ridiculous, and for what? Probably the most brutal, ridiculous commute through the Chimp Preserve that is NYC these days? Is there so much can't miss programming talent in Greenwich Village these days?
They have a lot of services ontop of this

  • Payment processing through quickbooks
  • Send bills to clients through quickbooks
  • Payroll services through quickbooks
  • Live chat with an accountant through quick books
  • Integrate other websites like amazon and your bank through quickbooks
  • Marketing through quickbooks
  • CPA's through quick books
  • Physical stock management through quickbooks
  • They have the people who reach out to you to try and bribe you to use more quickbook services.

Quickbooks has been adding more bloat on a weekly basis, it is actually getting pretty bad at this point. In a few months to years I predict that you will be able to run an entire company through quickbooks online portal once they give you the ability to buy your own chinese/indian slave through quickbooks. Real shit, it's annoying as fuck though, it started with just tax and book keeping stuff on the side bar now they have like 80 million different fucking things cluttering it.
 
They have a lot of services ontop of this

  • Payment processing through quickbooks
  • Send bills to clients through quickbooks
  • Payroll services through quickbooks
  • Live chat with an accountant through quick books
  • Integrate other websites like amazon and your bank through quickbooks
  • Marketing through quickbooks
  • CPA's through quick books
  • Physical stock management through quickbooks
  • They have the people who reach out to you to try and bribe you to use more quickbook services.

Quickbooks has been adding more bloat on a weekly basis, it is actually getting pretty bad at this point. In a few months to years I predict that you will be able to run an entire company through quickbooks online portal once they give you the ability to buy your own chinese/indian slave through quickbooks. Real shit, it's annoying as fuck though, it started with just tax and book keeping stuff on the side bar now they have like 80 million different fucking things cluttering it.
QuickBooks Desktop to stop selling to new U.S. subscribers

(No more downloads, a/k/a "desktop," on-line subscription to the website only)

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Klaus Schwab's euphoria boner about owning nothing and being happy just edged slightly closer to full on climax.

The most depressing part being their only credible competitor --Sage50/the old Peachtree-- is infinitely worse.
 
Said it before in the other thread. Ok boss.

Bring back the break room, fridge , microwave you took away for covid.
I will demand an appropriate work desk, your shitty standard height 12 to a table office plan will not work. Oh, I need a place to lock up some of my architectural notes and any customer data, that cannot be left out if I step away from my seat for 5 min. Yes my work is regulated by various laws. Yes I will report any inability to meet our compliance and security requirements to the govt bodies involved.

My day starts at 9 and ends at 5. Or maybe 10 to 6. After that i am not productive at home per you so don't ask. I won't be on calls to west coast ar 9pm and don't ask for meetings with Europe at 5am. Obviously wfh is unsuitable now so, I won't be working from home. At all.

I also need a reasonable space for all those zoom calls and the noise to other offices.

You're gonna get exactly what you are asking for corpos. I hope you actually want it.
 
QuickBooks Desktop to stop selling to new U.S. subscribers

(No more downloads, a/k/a "desktop," on-line subscription to the website only)



Klaus Schwab's euphoria boner about owning nothing and being happy just edged slightly closer to full on climax.

The most depressing part being their only credible competitor --Sage50/the old Peachtree-- is infinitely worse.
Their main competitor is a local CPA. Corporations use the Big Four. I wouldn’t be surprised if most small/medium businesses use an accountant rather than software.
 
QuickBooks Desktop to stop selling to new U.S. subscribers

(No more downloads, a/k/a "desktop," on-line subscription to the website only)



Klaus Schwab's euphoria boner about owning nothing and being happy just edged slightly closer to full on climax.

The most depressing part being their only credible competitor --Sage50/the old Peachtree-- is infinitely worse.
To be fair as Accountant I hate how slow QBD desktop is especially since I need Quickbooks for is to pull a bunch of reports into PDF or Excel.

Quickbooks Online is faster for pulling the reports.

Their main competitor is a local CPA. Corporations use the Big Four. I wouldn’t be surprised if most small/medium businesses use an accountant rather than software.
They use both, they pay a local accountant and bookkeeper to handle QBO for them because if you let the client manage their own Quickbooks they will fuck it up so hard.
 
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I always think that people who work for companies and are more productive/beneficial to the company should be able to do what they want, but when it comes to government workers I'm completely in favor of them returning to the office. I know this article is about company workers but in my mind there is a divide between these two groups.
 
They use both, they pay a local accountant and bookkeeper to handle QBO for them because if you let the client manage their own Quickbooks they will fuck it up so hard.
O God, that reminds me of doing Quickbooks installs back in the 90s. Entire departments were buying computers just to run QB. There was a night and day difference between the people who had actual bookkeeping experience vs. the cowboys.

Also back then you’d be surprised how very little people used passwords. You locked your computer by locking the office door back then. Not many companies were using NT. That was more of an enterprise thing. Passwords were largely seen as a nuisance in what was a more idyllic and high trust society. I, the computer guy, was expected to simply do repairs and upgrades in the middle of the night and had access to virtually everyone’s files.
 
I loved WFH. I played a fuckton of Battlefield and got really good at it. I smoked lots and lots of weed, and grew it too because I had the time at home to tend to the plants. Eventually my whole division (30+ of us) got replaced by pajeets 3:1 at 1/3 the salary. Made a good amount of money and got a great severance. 10/10 would recommend.
 
I loved WFH. I played a fuckton of Battlefield and got really good at it. I smoked lots and lots of weed, and grew it too because I had the time at home to tend to the plants. Eventually my whole division (30+ of us) got replaced by pajeets 3:1 at 1/3 the salary. Made a good amount of money and got a great severance. 10/10 would recommend.
NGL not upset by your layoff.

People shouldn't be paid to be dope smoking degenerates
 
I think WFH can have benefit, in the case of parents especially: staying home with a sick kid while doing paperwork is one example.

there can be beneficial aspects to teleworking; but it’s often abused.

I work in a field that is very environmentally/regional specific. If you don’t understand the culture, native flora and fauna of the region it’s hard to implement good practices and effective ways of dealing with people and putting things into practice. Due to COVID my job hired a bunch of people to be managers/write policy about our area that have never stepped foot in the region. They often are coming in with non related experience and i get people can come in and learn a new job but if they don’t have the fundamentals and they can’t be present in the area and understand what native species we have it’s so frustratin.

Ive never been to where these people live and yet they dictate what I can do. it’s so fucked.

Say I have a manager that lives in Florida; They have never been to my area before and I have to communicate with them every step of the way or Fight with them because they cant tell two species of pine apart, we have to remove one species because it’s non native and serves no purpose in an ecosystem, it performs poorly in the canopy blocking out native trees, poor growth form that leads to them dying and becoming snags, often causing harm to wildlife, and native species. That species of pine might perform well in Florida but where I am, it has no purpose. Yes, tree coverage is good, but the types of trees and spacing, species composition and place in the ecosystem matter so much More. Thats basically habitat restoration and ecology 101 and they will never understand it fully because they refuse to learn and its so much harder to get an understanding of ecology principles if you are at home all day behind a computer.

a lot of them like to act high and mighty, oh I took the carrer change because I care about the environment and earth, okay. Good first step! WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE THE JOB IN A MORE REGIONALLY ACCURATE LOCATION THEN?

I always think that people who work for companies and are more productive/beneficial to the company should be able to do what they want, but when it comes to government workers I'm completely in favor of them returning to the office. I know this article is about company workers but in my mind there is a divide between these two groups.
Especially when it’s a public facing job. I’ve been to gov offices before where it’s just an intern or an employee in a different office doing the job of multiple people/can’t even do what I need because everyone is teleworking.

I had an appointment in person for one time for work that I needed to go into a government office for, scheduled months in advance. The person who I had the meeting for wasn’t physically present because it was a telework day for them and the intern had to call the employee on the office phone and I ended up having to wait for them to come in and they were super bitchy with me over them having to come in. Ended up running super behind on another meeting.

I work with the GOV on a lot of things and sometime, telework can be acceptable imo if it’s a agency lawyer and they don’t have a super public facing job, and things come up, like flu season, if they want to telework and have been sick but able to work/make maps/do paperwork they should be able too, but not full time.
 
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