Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

[Barbarella]

It’s very hard to be a phone fag as I can’t really get videos. But I took a couple of snaps from videos showing Atlas reacting meaningfully with his people and environment.

Here is one where baby Alex crawled to Luna. Robyn said Atlas, and he turned to look at her



Next, he was smiling at family and turned to playfully touch Luna’s hand.

And in ones she just posted, she called him over for a cookie. He clearly didn’t like it but mom was saying is it good or something and he nodded.


She’s so clueless she can’t see he hates it. but he tried to please her.

Looking at Dad to copy the exercise…
And Happy about new haircut. Engaging with dad



Happy about new haircut. Engaging with dad.


Looking at dad again. In one of these there was a conversation.

I could go through all the photos of Atlas and find engagement. I wanted to find him copying putting on a diaper on a bear but couldn’t, that’s the best example.

The clear reason why this kid can’t speak is in one of these pictures. Which? It’s the cookie one. Robyn sees what she wants, and no matter how obvious it was he hated that cookie, she thought he liked it. She’s ignoring him for her own delusion.

We all want the best for Atlas. We all agree he should be taken in for any kind of evaluation.

 

[LonesomeDud]

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That is supposed to be a three year old copying his dad lifting?

I really don't see this as strongly imitating an adult. He chalks his hands, but otherwise seems to be playing with the cause and effect of the pulley, which is great, but not the same thing developmentally. (Still good. Still an important indicator of intelligence. Not the same.)

@Barbarella I feel like we are looking at entirely different pictures. I realize I'm just looking at stills, but I do not see what you're seeing. If I'm wrong, great, maybe when she gets the kid eval'd for autism, she can get the doctor to write "Lonesomedud is stupid!" on top of the paper and catch up on his shots.

 

[GenociderSyo]

She posted something today that clearly shows Atlas having a conversation with Oaken and others in the room. Considering she specifically won't allow us to hear him speak feels like support that she wants to prove he can speak, but not show that he has a speech impediement due to her choices.

 

[LonesomeDud]

She posted something today that clearly shows Atlas having a conversation with Oaken and others in the room. Considering she specifically won't allow us to hear him speak feels like support that she wants to prove he can speak, but not show that he has a speech impediement due to her choices.
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I'm going to quit bringing it up after this, but this does not show Atlas having a conversation. It shows eye contact. This is not neurotypical three year old behavior. And I will not back up an inch until he sees a real pediatrician who assesses him.

 

[ATI Escapee]

She posted something today that clearly shows Atlas having a conversation with Oaken and others in the room. Considering she specifically won't allow us to hear him speak feels like support that she wants to prove he can speak, but not show that he has a speech impediement due to her choices.
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Youd think if he were saying things like 'mommy' and 'I love you' she would just love posting them to show how good of a mother she is. Or even having him yell 'Healy time' or something dumb while being excited. Yeah I am thinking speech impediment too, probably the tongue tie surgery. Poor kid. If it wasnt the surgery then there is something up regardless. I am not thinking autism either. Not a doctor though. In my experience autistic kids cant mask as easily at that age and usually are easy to upset/hard to distract from something.

 

[Ms. Marple]

I'm going to quit bringing it up after this, but this does not show Atlas having a conversation. It shows eye contact. This is not neurotypical three year old behavior. And I will not back up an inch until he sees a real pediatrician who assesses him.

It looks like he’s imitating someone, perhaps Robyn. I agree, it doesn’t look like he’s actually talking to Oak.

 

[ILikeYou]

As far as if he's autistic or not, are people thinking more than level 1 autism, the least affected form of it? Bc, mildly autistic children can actually pass as normal, but with quirks. Kids w/ mild autism might be dubbed 'curmudgeon,' or 'mysterious,' 'deep,' 'serious,' and all kinds of slight signs of something a bit different, but still do all the other normal stuff that kids do.

Whether he has that or not, I don't know. I sense that he does have mild autism, personally, but that's just my informed guess, informed as far as I can be from what we're shown by Robyn. But what mystifies me is, if he's only mildly autistic, then why the lack of speech and nonsensical noises instead?

Are people wondering if he's more strongly affected by autism, like level 2 maybe? Bc, level 1 autism can be really subtle from the outside. I guess I'm mystified by seeing what might be level 1 autism, maybe, and then the lack of speech doesn't seem to fit in with that diagnosis. It's a mystery, for sure--for now, at least.

 

[unexpected onions]

Youd think if he were saying things like 'mommy' and 'I love you' she would just love posting them to show how good of a mother she is. Or even having him yell 'Healy time' or something dumb while being excited. Yeah I am thinking speech impediment too, probably the tongue tie surgery. Poor kid. If it wasnt the surgery then there is something up regardless. I am not thinking autism either. Not a doctor though. In my experience autistic kids cant mask as easily at that age and usually are easy to upset/hard to distract from something.

Yeah I'm guessing it's related to the surgery too. That or hearing loss from Glenn blasting his shitty music at max volume all day.

 

[NoodleFucker3000]

We all know they lurk here.

Atlas is a healthy, happy child with his entire life ahead of him.There are so many leaps in technology and understanding for autism, and if he's seen early on, he can get comprehensive treatment. It is possible that he can a normal, happy life. But thats not going to happen unless he sees a doctor.

Luna is going to die never having lived. Her life was over before she even saw daylight. Atlas has every foundation for a long life and you fucking dingbats are ruining it for him out of your own willful stupidity and woo woo street cred. Just take your son to a fucking doctor so you don't end up with two children whose lives amount to waste.

 

[often puzzled]

We did seem him playing well with that other child (the boy who was around his age) when Robyn took Luna in for the leg treatments. One specific thing that I've always found sweet is that he tries to "help" Luna in her appointments sometimes. We've seen a video of the PT walking Luna and Atlas walking beside her, attempting to show her how to walk (which is also heartbreaking, of course: it should have been Luna showing Atlas how to walk). In that specific case, that was definitely what was going on, because we heard the PT comment on it. The problem with all of these clips is that they're very short, often boomerangs, and almost always muted-- we just don't get enough context to see what's actually going on. I think it's understandable that we all tend to fill in the blanks with something we're hoping or expecting to see, for good or for ill-- Robyn shows these chaotic little glimpses, and it's only natural that we try to string them together into something meaningful from which we can draw conclusions.

I have absolutely no idea if the child has autism or not and am in no way qualified to judge, but he needs to be seen for whatever evaluations are available for a child that age who isn't speaking. He very much needs to be in contact with real providers with real qualifications-- not social media solo therapists who make appointments via DM. At this point, they'd do well to get him checked out for a variety of issues. He's just been medically neglected for so long that anything at all could be going on, and Robyn and Glenn would be none the wiser. He should be talking, and he isn't: we know that for sure. And we also know that Robyn is aware it's abnormal; that's why she mutes the clips featuring Atlas. She knows that something has gone wrong (again) in her natural/woo/MLM paradise, and she's trying to hide it, even though it will harm one of her children-- again.

 

[just lurking]

It’s very hard to be a phone fag as I can’t really get videos. But I took a couple of snaps from videos showing Atlas reacting meaningfully with his people and environment.

Here is one where baby Alex crawled to Luna. Robyn said Atlas, and he turned to look at her


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And in ones she just posted, she called him over for a cookie. He clearly didn’t like it but mom was saying is it good or something and he nodded.
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She’s so clueless she can’t see he hates it. but he tried to please her.

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And Happy about new haircut. Engaging with dad


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Happy about new haircut. Engaging with dad.

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Looking at dad again. In one of these there was a conversation.

I could go through all the photos of Atlas and find engagement. I wanted to find him copying putting on a diaper on a bear but couldn’t, that’s the best example.

The clear reason why this kid can’t speak is in one of these pictures. Which? It’s the cookie one. Robyn sees what she wants, and no matter how obvious it was he hated that cookie, she thought he liked it. She’s ignoring him for her own delusion.

We all want the best for Atlas. We all agree he should be taken in for any kind of evaluation.

Look how much chunkier luna is in that photo with Atlas. Idk if she's gotten longer or not but she's not nearly as chubby in the arms and legs currently

 

[ILikeYou]

Look how much chunkier luna is in that photo with Atlas. Idk if she's gotten longer or not but she's not nearly as chubby in the arms and legs currently

I don't think she's grown much, bc judging by a recent video of her 'holding hands' w/ Oaky on her IG, I'd say Luna's at most 14 inches taller than her 5 month old brother. Her brain is so severely damaged and liquified, frankly, that the instructions for her body to grow aren't going through.

It seems like back a few years ago, a surgeon told Robyn something like, 'Luna's not big or strong enough for me to be able to operate a 2nd time on her and have a good chance of surviving that,' and what Robyn heard was, 'double the gloop in her g-tube, double the chances of her being hearty enough to operate on.' She developed baby fat rolls from Robyn trying that.

 

[BunchofMunch]

As far as if he's autistic or not, are people thinking more than level 1 autism, the least affected form of it? Bc, mildly autistic children can actually pass as normal, but with quirks. Kids w/ mild autism might be dubbed 'curmudgeon,' or 'mysterious,' 'deep,' 'serious,' and all kinds of slight signs of something a bit different, but still do all the other normal stuff that kids do.

Whether he has that or not, I don't know. I sense that he does have mild autism, personally, but that's just my informed guess, informed as far as I can be from what we're shown by Robyn. But what mystifies me is, if he's only mildly autistic, then why the lack of speech and nonsensical noises instead?

Are people wondering if he's more strongly affected by autism, like level 2 maybe? Bc, level 1 autism can be really subtle from the outside. I guess I'm mystified by seeing what might be level 1 autism, maybe, and then the lack of speech doesn't seem to fit in with that diagnosis. It's a mystery, for sure--for now, at least.

Well, he could be unlucky enough to have both level 1 autism and an unrelated speech impediment I guess?
In any case, even if Globyn against all odds were to actually evaluate him for any issues, we would NEVER get to hear of a bad result being caused by the tongue tie. And since they're antivaxxers I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want to make it public that he got autism even without vaccines and with Robyns magical cooking and mlm supplements. Unless they found something else to blame it on...I wonder what that could be in that case... Fucked up fascia perhaps?

 

[brooky]

Atlas is a healthy, happy child with his entire life ahead of him.There are so many leaps in technology and understanding for autism, and if he's seen early on, he can get comprehensive treatment. It is possible that he can a normal, happy life. But thats not going to happen unless he sees a doctor.

Are there leaps in technology for mutilated tongues?

Not being catty, I'm seriously asking. I'd never even heard of tongue tie or fucking tongue snipping before this horrible thread. It's on par with foot binding to me-- it seems utterly pointless and barbaric. I imagine it's supposed to be done on babies who can't latch on ANY nipple, including bottles? Or...?

Does it cause problems with speech because it's painful? Or because he's lost some nerve sensation in the tongue? Or is it no worse than a stutter or lisp in terms of speech therapy/working around it?

Making it painful or fearful for a child to speak is heartbreaking to me. I know Robyn had the "best intentions" but look how well that's gone every other time.

I have no thoughts on whether Atlas is autistic or not, and even experts can't diagnose over some heavily curated-by-mom videos. The clipped tongue seems like a more logical explanation than autism, even if he does have mild autism.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

Look, autistic or not, the poor guy is gonna come out of this worse for wear. If he is autistic, from the bits we see, he doesn't seem to be having distress from it. What he is going to have stress from is Luna, and his mother.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Does it cause problems with speech because it's painful? Or because he's lost some nerve sensation in the tongue? Or is it no worse than a stutter or lisp in terms of speech therapy/working around it?

Frenectomy can cause total nerve damage to tongue leading it to be completely numb and it can effect more then the tongue.

"Numbness and paresthesia of the tongue and neighboring soft tissues with multiple etiology: direct and indirect injury to the lingual nerve during incision, pressure from healing wound and postsurgical edema, movement of the needle itself, extra or intraneural hemorrhage from trauma to nearby blood vessels or the neurotoxicity of the used anesthetic site with anesthetic agents can induce nerve injury following lingual frenectomy."

This is what I think is the most likely choice for what is happening, remember this surgery was NOT done by a dentist or anything it was a person she found on IG who later did infant chiro on him. Oddly enough when Oaken had it done she did not do the chiro portion after.

Robyn IG:

Glenn took a flight to see a Padres game with the family.

 

[Baguette]

Frenectomy can cause total nerve damage to tongue leading it to be completely numb and it can effect more then the tongue.

"Numbness and paresthesia of the tongue and neighboring soft tissues with multiple etiology: direct and indirect injury to the lingual nerve during incision, pressure from healing wound and postsurgical edema, movement of the needle itself, extra or intraneural hemorrhage from trauma to nearby blood vessels or the neurotoxicity of the used anesthetic site with anesthetic agents can induce nerve injury following lingual frenectomy."

This is what I think is the most likely choice for what is happening, remember this surgery was NOT done by a dentist or anything it was a person she found on IG who later did infant chiro on him. Oddly enough when Oaken had it done she did not do the chiro portion after.

Robyn IG:
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Glenn took a flight to see a Padres game with the family.
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Luna seizing away with her legs twitching while Robyn does her bullshit meditation. Unbelievable.

 

[ILikeYou]

The absolute stark contrast between the lively song lyrics and Luna: 'These are the good days, these are the good nights, doin' our best and livin' our best lives. These are the ones where we'll look back, and say 'Damn, what a damn good time!'

And she lays unaware of her own existence, eyes darting back and forth blankly, tongue out at times, lips smacking w/ seizure activity in the long nothingness that is her world. I just....phew....

 

[TismFarmer]

<snip>In the long nothingness that is her world.

This is the perfect description of Luna's life, and of all those brainless fundie babies...

 

[BunchofMunch]

And she lays unaware of her own existence, eyes darting back and forth blankly, tongue out at times, lips smacking w/ seizure activity in the long nothingness that is her world. I just....phew....

Don't forget the right hand twisted all 180 degrees backwards..